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Medvedev will absolutely destroy Alcaraz.
2021 ATP 1000 Paris Masters R2: [8] Jannik Sinner (ITA) vs Carlos Alcaraz (ESP)
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RG GOD
Semi-Pro
Like he did to Djokovic in the USO final.
You are making a lot a of mistakes in your predictions lately
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
I think Alcaraz might just become the out and out best baseliner of the coming era and just might dominate that way. I think his returning is already really good for his age, and if he gets even faster and gets better shot tolerance and stamina he might be a nightmare to deal with.
fundrazer
G.O.A.T.
Same, but he's trolled me enough already this tournament.
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Slicehand
Guest
Lets first get trough gaston
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aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
No one trolls like Gaston
Winners or Errors
Legend
Fritz and Korda... another round.
Jack the Hack
Hall of Fame
One of the silver linings to Alcaraz winning today is that he'll likely move up into the top 32 in the rankings by the time the 2022 Australian Open rolls around. That means that he'll be seeded and Sinner (king of the horrible 1st round draws in Slams) will not have to play him in his first or second match.
I look forward to the damage that both Alcaraz and Sinner can inflict on the tour the next few years, along with their rivalry against each other. I just don't want to see them playing in early rounds like this too often. It'd be better in semis and finals!
I look forward to the damage that both Alcaraz and Sinner can inflict on the tour the next few years, along with their rivalry against each other. I just don't want to see them playing in early rounds like this too often. It'd be better in semis and finals!
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Vamos Rafa Nadal
Guest
Ever since his implosion at Indian Wells and then today when he was up 5-1 and lost 4 games in a row Medvedev has the possibility of imploding in his matches. I have noticed that if he is too far ahead he is actually worse off in that he loses concentration; if he's just a bit ahead he continues to concentrate better. But who knows what an Alcaraz-Medvedev match will be like? We might find out in the QF of this tournament, but they both have to get through the round of 16 first!
James P
G.O.A.T.
Disagree, he's a great front runner. Usually holds leads better than most.
70sStrokes
Rookie
Alcaraz is more flexible than Sinner and Carlos has just as big a forehand. Sinner may want to work on short angles and his flexibility to go with his power.
Bubcay
Legend
Just re-watching the match. Some crazy hitting by both. Alcaraz is a beast from time to time and pretty much unstoppable when he is in the beast mode. Love the moment in the game 9 of the second set when Sinner serves 187km/ph serve and Alkaraz hits the 170 km/ph winner on return. Crazy stuff..
mike danny
Bionic Poster
He's not ready for Djokovic, but that's ok. He's only 18.
Don't expect much from this potential match-up although who knows? Certainly did not expect Musetti to be up 2-0 at RG.
The Fedfather
Legend
Idk, genuinely think Carlos's ground game would hold up well against Novak in his current form. And then he could redline for one-two return games or get a mini break.
Maybe I'm underrating Djokovic, but quite a few times recently he showed vulnerability. I could see Alcaraz taking advantage with his power game and variety plus mental fortitude. Not in the final here though, he likely won't get that far.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
The rest of the game may hold up, but Oldovic's serve is a couple tiers higher and would make the difference IMO.
The Fedfather
Legend
I thought about this, and decided that Novak's improved serve, while being practically in the servebot category, still misfires often enough for Alcaraz to have chances and not feel completely outclassed in return games. I guess we'll see soon enough. They'll probably meet at some point in 2022
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Vamos Rafa Nadal
Guest
imo Alcaraz can on a great day beat anyone, particularly if his opponent isn't having his best day. He has already defeated 3 top ten players, and one of them in a best of 5 Grand Slam.
Forgive Me Father
Hall of Fame
He was a lot better than both this year.
Ruud won 3 straight 250's and Hurk did not win more titles lol. Hurk was a nobody since MIA and WB's scheduling basically made up his season. He lost 6 straight matches at one point.
Fittingly, Sinner destroyed him here.
He also beat Ruud convincingly, btw.
And the fact you make note of the Tiafoe and Alcaraz matches, shows you did not watch them or lack the critical think to assess the situation.
Hurkacz played worse, a lot worse in his Paris wins than Sinner in his loss.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Not quite true. Hurkacz made a Wimbledon semi and won a 250 in Metz.
Jack the Hack
Hall of Fame
What is your problem? I don't understand your sudden rude tone. It's completely uncalled for.
I've stated this multiple times, but let me say it clearly here that I'm a big Sinner fan. I've watched almost all of his matches this year, including a couple in person at Indian Wells. Additionally, I got to meet him before the pandemic and spent about an hour talking with him 1+1 at a corporate event where I work. From my experience and viewpoint, I think Jannik is great and is the future of tennis.
That said, I can be a fan and still be objective about his performance. Sinner should have beaten Tiafoe and even admitted that he got distracted by Frances' antics. He then lost back to back first round matches to Alcaraz and Murray, which put him outside of the top 8 for the year.
You say that Jannik had a better season than both Ruud and Hurk, yet they have accumulated more points on the year. The points don't lie. Ruud won 5 titles, made two M1000 semis, two M1000 quarters, and ultimately made the semis of the ATP WTF. He had a steller 55-17 record in 2021. Hurk won 3 titles (Delray Beach, Miami, and Metz), had the semifinal run at Wimbledon (beating old man Federer along the way), plus made one additional M1000 semi and two M1000 quarters. I think Sinner has more game than Hurk (as the result in Torino showed), but if Sinner wanted to finish the season ahead of Hubie, he needed to beat him in the finals of the Miami M1000, beat Tiafoe in Vienna, get past Alcaraz in Paris, or win one of those match points against Medvedev on Friday. Any of those things would have boosted him past Hurk on the year. However, as it was, Sinner was about to finish 2021 outside of the top 10 if it hadn't been for the injury to Berettini, which gave him that last shot to pick up 200 ranking points at the WTF and keep him ahead of FAA. These are just facts.
Forgive Me Father
Hall of Fame
We know they accumulated more points.
We know mathematically they are ahead of him.
I'm of the belief, there is more to it.
WTF race means it can come down to 1 match, to then do a case-by-case assessment of who impressed more and contextualize draws and opponents and wins, isn't wrong.
The devil is in the details.
Once you assess the big picture, Sinner, to me, has clearly been more impressive than Ruud and Hurkacz this year.
Thats all.
Forgive Me Father
Hall of Fame
I mention WB. But that was entirely a product of WB's scheduling. He was going out against Med and thoroughly outplayed through 3 sets.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Ha, Med on grass is hardly scary, scheduling or no scheduling. Besides, even on hard courts, the two matches they played were fairly close.
Canada - 2-6, 7-6(6), 7-6(5)
ATP Finals - 6-7(5), 6-3, 6-4
Forgive Me Father
Hall of Fame
Thanks, but what does this have to do with anything?
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Med was not outplaying him. And he didn't just have a bad day. Hurkacz is simply a superior grass court player at this point in time.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
I think that Sinner collected less then he should have due to inferior draws especially at the big events.
That said Ruud and Hurkacz had their best seasons so far.
Personally I think it likely that Sinner ends up close to the top 5 in 2022.
Djokovic, Medvedev, Zverev will be almost certainly ahead if they avoid a big injury. Nadal very likely too.
Tsitsipas is a streaky player which is arguably stronger on clay. Same goes for Berretini. Thiem is a Wildcard.
Rublev, Ruud, Hurkacz should not be at his 22 level although everyone has a chance to do better. Alcaraz and Murray are burdened by their current ranking.
That said Ruud and Hurkacz had their best seasons so far.
Personally I think it likely that Sinner ends up close to the top 5 in 2022.
Djokovic, Medvedev, Zverev will be almost certainly ahead if they avoid a big injury. Nadal very likely too.
Tsitsipas is a streaky player which is arguably stronger on clay. Same goes for Berretini. Thiem is a Wildcard.
Rublev, Ruud, Hurkacz should not be at his 22 level although everyone has a chance to do better. Alcaraz and Murray are burdened by their current ranking.
Forgive Me Father
Hall of Fame
Med led 2-1 with a +2 break edge through 3 sets.
Of course he outplayed him.
What‘s Hurkacz‘s claim to being a superior grass courter? Hurkacz lost both run-up matches including to Stricker.
Medvedev actually won a title on grass.
You seem to speak entirely without facts.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
Wow you must not have seen the match. Med was routining Hurk early in the match. He had a Medvedesque brain fart when play was resumed though.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Hubert Hurkacz has a semifinal at Wimbledon. That's better than Med's Mallorca title where he beat players like Ruud and Moutet. How many players would take a semi at Wimbledon over a 250? More points, more money, more glory.
And that match was hardly routine. Med is usually pretty good in tie-breaks but he only won two points at the end of that second set, so he had already lost a set before the rain delay. And the fact hat he lost with a +2 break just goes to show his level on grass.
Forgive Me Father
Hall of Fame
The point of this whole thing is that match lol. We know Hurkacz won and thus reached the only claim he has to being a better grass courter.
And me and everyone else here is telling you, Med was routining Hurkacz before the rain break.
That doesnt "go to show his level on grass" at all. It goes to show the powers of an untimely interruption, otherwise the match wouldnt have been so flipped.
You're blurting out convoluted statements all over the place here, and they eventually all go back to "well Hurkacz won and made the SF so he is better on grass and Med is not good on grass". It makes me want to ask how old you are.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
If the world #2 loses his marbles because of rain delay, the whole tennis world is in jeopardy.
Hurkacz won that match as much as Med lost it. Med is nothing on grass, his Mallorca title aside.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
Maybe "routine" is an exaggeration, but Med was firmly in the driver's seat until the break.
Forgive Me Father
Hall of Fame
grass is barely played. These few incidents are all we have to go by.
You have said yourself that HH can play on grass, so for Med to lose 2 sets due to a rain delay, is perfectly reasonable, and has nothing to do with the tennis world being in jeopardy.
Was it jeopardy when it completely shook Roddick in the '04 WB final?
Your argument here is nonsensical.
Med outplayed HH before WB on grass, the last 2 years at WB, during WB until the delay, and will continue to outplay him on grass in the following years...
there has never been a point in HH's life where he was better than Med on grass.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Still harping on this a month later? If you want to believe Medvedev is a better grass court player than Hurkacz because he won Mallorca, go ahead.
But here are the facts. Medvedev has played 4 Wimbledons, and he has lost to Bemelmans, Mannarino (a good grass court player), Goffin, and Hurkacz. He also has a title in Mallorca, where he beat one half-decent grass court player - Querrey in the final.
Hurkacz has played 3 Wimbledons, and he has lost to Tomic, Djokovic, and Berrettini.
A rain delay can throw a player off, on any surface, but on hard courts, Daniil would have won.
Forgive Me Father
Hall of Fame
I'm just not on here often.
But your argument started off horrible and very flawed.
You slightly adjusted it.
You find more sense each time, and yet, Medvedev was still better than Hurkacz on grass at every single point of their career so far.
Do you wanna know who Hurkacz lost to while Medvedev lost to Bemelmans? I have a surprise for you...
when your entire arguments relies on one match between the two in which Medvedev formidably controlled Hurkacz, you should realize you drank the kool-aid.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
The only person standing in the way between Med and that SF was Hubert Hurkacz. It was a winnable match for Med, and he lost (to a player that in your mind is not as good).
Now, you have given the example of Roddick in the '04 final, which he lost to the better player after a rain delay. I think it's the same here.
Next, I don't believe beating Casper Ruud on grass is a big scalp for the number 2 player in the world. Probably because Ruud has never been past the first round at Wimbledon! And the fact that Med won a 250 beating the likes of Ruud also doesn't seem very impressive to me.
No, I don't care who Hurkacz lost to in 2017, because he didn't play Wimbledon that year.
And finally, you believe that today, Medvedev has the better record than Hurkacz. I don't agree.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Impressive from Sinner!!
happyandbob
Legend
OMG what a point
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Carlos breaks!!! Screaming at his box.
happyandbob
Legend
This match is so much fun
Larry Duff
Legend
What a mug
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