2021 ATP500 Twin (Halle/Queen’s Club) General Discussion; June 14-20

Champions (vote 2x)

  • Halle: Meddie

    Votes: 4 19.0%
  • Halle: Tsits

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Halle: Zed

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • Halle: fedr

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • Halle: Other (specify in post)

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • Queen’s: Berrettini

    Votes: 4 19.0%
  • Queen’s: Shapovalov

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • Queen’s (former champ) WC Murray

    Votes: 3 14.3%
  • Queen’s (former champ) Cilic

    Votes: 4 19.0%
  • Queen’s: Other (specify in post)

    Votes: 3 14.3%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .

stringertom

Bionic Poster
So much for “one-dimensional” Berry being the perfect opponent for a resurgent Muzziah. Can one of the experts here explain to me how to break serve three times with that one-dimensional game??? I know a big serve plus one game helps to hold but I haven’t yet wrapped my head around how to break serve with those powerful strokes.
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
So much for “one-dimensional” Berry being the perfect opponent for a resurgent Muzziah. Can one of the experts here explain to me how to break serve three times with that one-dimensional game??? I know a big serve plus one game helps to hold but I haven’t yet wrapped my head around how to break serve with those powerful strokes.
Berr is good, no?
 

skip1969

G.O.A.T.
So much for “one-dimensional” Berry being the perfect opponent for a resurgent Muzziah. Can one of the experts here explain to me how to break serve three times with that one-dimensional game??? I know a big serve plus one game helps to hold but I haven’t yet wrapped my head around how to break serve with those powerful strokes.
I don't diss Berrettini on here, so I l know you ain't talkin' about me . . . :p

But there's just something about him that has always left me unimpressed. I don't know, maybe I'm just jaded. I know he's got a big serve. But for me, he fell into that 'how is this guy ranked so high?' category . . . not unlike many guys in the last 30 years, I guess. He just seems like just another grinder out there. With a big serve. I don't know. Maybe it's just the beige nature of all of the younger players? Who knows?
 

Soul_Evisceration

Hall of Fame
Wow that Halle draw is falling like a ton of bricks.

Rublev should be the overwhelming Favorite now but he's never been proven to be a threat on Grass.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
So much for “one-dimensional” Berry being the perfect opponent for a resurgent Muzziah. Can one of the experts here explain to me how to break serve three times with that one-dimensional game??? I know a big serve plus one game helps to hold but I haven’t yet wrapped my head around how to break serve with those powerful strokes.
Had he truly been playing a resurgent Muzziah I doubt he would have been gifted so many free and cheap points in all those service breaks. We've a ways to go before our Muzziah can get enough match practice under his belt to start being truly competitive again.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
All former champions in the draw at Queen's (Murray, Lopez) and Halle (Federer) out in the 2nd round save for Cilic (Queen's champion 2012, 2018) and Kohlschreiber (Halle champion, 2011). Can they go on to snatch another title or will there be maiden champions at both tournaments this year?
 
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Deleted member 771911

Guest
Only 1 seed (Rublev) made it through to the Halle QF.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
All former champions in the draw at Queen's (Murray, Lopez) and Halle (Federer) out in the 2nd round save for Cilic (Queen's champion 2012, 2018). Can he go on to snatch a 3rd title or will there be maiden champions at both tournaments this year?
Such little respect for the 2011 Halle champion.
 

Winner

Semi-Pro
That would be so 2021, no?
It's happened often that players that are winning good matches before a slam and are thought to be dangerous floaters are losing early in said slams. For example Ruud at RG, made semis of two clay masters, draw opened up on first day (Thiem out) and he lost to Davidovich in 3R. Now 3R is not early and ADF is not a qualifier but you get the pattern. They are losing before they may do damage to a high seed.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
It's happened often that players that are winning good matches before a slam and are thought to be dangerous floaters are losing early in said slams. For example Ruud at RG, made semis of two clay masters, draw opened up on first day (Thiem out) and he lost to Davidovich in 3R. Now 3R is not early and ADF is not a qualifier but you get the pattern. They are losing before they may do damage to a high seed.
Korda: won Parma, lost RG 1R to Pedro Martinez and stayed for 2 weeks at the WATLYNM. These occurrences are well documented in the concierge journal.
 

Winner

Semi-Pro
It's tough to say who will be in the Wimby QF. I think Djokovic is the only player to be more likely to be in the QFs than not (I hope it's clear what I intend to say).
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
It's tough to say who will be in the Wimby QF. I think Djokovic is the only player to be more likely to be in the QFs than not (I hope it's clear what I intend to say).
Need to see the draws, but I'd rate Berrettini, Zverev, Tsitsipas, and Medvedev all pretty high in reaching the QFs. There will be landmines, for sure. A true dangerous floater right now appears to be Mr. Cilic.
 

Winner

Semi-Pro
Need to see the draws, but I'd rate Berrettini, Zverev, Tsitsipas, and Medvedev all pretty high in reaching the QFs. There will be landmines, for sure. A true dangerous floater right now appears to be Mr. Cilic.
Berrettini is my second favourite for Wimbledon at the moment. Every other nextGenner has been bad on grass. But who cares? Djokovic will maul the field. :D
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
Berrettini is my second favourite for Wimbledon at the moment. Every other nextGenner has been bad on grass. But who cares? Djokovic will maul the field. :D
I'm really hoping this is FAA's breakout tournament. He could semi-shock and reach the QF or SF this year. I think a lot of people rate him high on grass but don't trust his mental makeup, which is understandable at this point, but he's looking pretty sharp out there the last couple weeks.
 

Winner

Semi-Pro
I'm really hoping this is FAA's breakout tournament. He could semi-shock and reach the QF or SF this year. I think a lot of people rate him high on grass but don't trust his mental makeup, which is understandable at this point, but he's looking pretty sharp out there the last couple weeks.
Wimbledon will be interesting for sure. Nadal's absence is sad but after two years without grass court tennis it's anyone's guess who will go deep.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Need to see the draws, but I'd rate Berrettini, Zverev, Tsitsipas, and Medvedev all pretty high in reaching the QFs. There will be landmines, for sure. A true dangerous floater right now appears to be Mr. Cilic.
There’s an excellent chance Mr. Red Hot Pepper has already forged his path to seeding so he will float at the 3R stage. I base this on the staggering amount of withdrawals from higher ranked players (Nadal, Goffin, Wawrinka and Coric confirmed OUT; Raonic and Dimitrov still healing and on the fence; Monfils ready to try Eastbourne to test the bod again.

At live ranking #37 he can move to #33 by beating AdM on Friday and would be a lock for a seed. I’m guessing a few top dogs are cheering for him to make SFs and that seeded position so they get at least two matches in before suffering Pepper indigestion.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
Shapo might be a dangerous floater too, took care of Lopez, who is no slouch on grass, rather handily yesterday.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Shapo might be a dangerous floater too, took care of Lopez, who is no slouch on grass, rather handily yesterday.
Yes, he can be dangerous but he’s not a floater by definition, having earned at worst a top 12 seed. Floaters are those guys that can wind up in the way of a top seed in the first couple of rounds. I’m not even considering Cilic as a floater now with there being an excellent chance he gets on the seeding tree limbs somewhere.
 

Nadal_King

Hall of Fame
Rublev deserves some credit for atleast showing some consistency across surfaces in Next gen, he has gone deep at Hc, clay and now even grass. I hope he shines in a Grand slam soon
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
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We have an incredible QF line-up today, but unfortunately the weather forecast is for rain. Gates will open as normal at 10.30am and if there is a break in the weather we will start play as soon as we can. We will update you throughout the day.
All the matches at Queens today look very tasty, like traditional British Friday fish and chips. Do what you can to keep the rain away please, perhaps a little dance of some sort.
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
Probably what we'll end up seeing. I do want Korda to win this match vs Humbert. At 20 yrs old, I think he can continue to improve and within a year be the top American male.
I agree. With Isner fading and and the rest of the young Americans (Fritz, Opelka, Tiafoe, Paul) all seemingly stuck in stasis, I think Korda might be a serious contender for maybe not top 3, but perhaps top 10, in the future. His ceiling and floor are both high.
 

InvisibleSoul

Hall of Fame
I'm really hoping this is FAA's breakout tournament. He could semi-shock and reach the QF or SF this year. I think a lot of people rate him high on grass but don't trust his mental makeup, which is understandable at this point, but he's looking pretty sharp out there the last couple weeks.
I remember when the oddsmakers had FAA as like the 4th favorite to win Wimbledon in 2019 after the first round with only like the big 3 ahead of him or something. That was crazy.
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
I remember when the oddsmakers had FAA as like the 4th favorite to win Wimbledon in 2019 after the first round with only like the big 3 ahead of him or something. That was crazy.
I remember that from 2019 Wimby. Still I **do** actually rate him high. Top 10 for sure on grass. Top 5 is probably too high.
 
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