2021 BNP Paribas Open ATP M1K, October 5-17

2021 Fall Edition Champion


  • Total voters
    38
  • Poll closed .

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
Fritz has shown some much needed fight and enthusiasm today. have to remember he’s probably played Zverev a million times in juniors as they were both highly rated ‘97s. I love battles like that.
The only highly rated '97 won three singles slams that year. ;)
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
Look at the whining. Gutless complaining from the #4. They weren't even hostile to the guy. Step in Hingis' shoes playing Graf and dare to complain to the heckling French crowd, see where that'd get you. What a generation this is.
 

Slicehand

Professional
Yes, and no. Zverev is pushing (at this level of play). The same Hingis did to Capriati, way back when. The same he did with Djokovic, weeks ago. He'll learn, one day.
Hes only pushing because fritz is hitting harder, also you think he pushed against djokovic? He was going full power and had quite a few winners i think
 

Slicehand

Professional
Things are like they are, if these guys are the ones who got this far is because they are playing better and are gonna deliver a higher quality semis
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
Hes only pushing because fritz is hitting harder, also you think he pushed against djokovic? He was going full power and had quite a few winners i think
Zverev was bating his power for at least the last three games. All these guys can hit much harder than they do. It's just that they'd rather bide their time at the baseline than slug it forward to the net, whether they'd end up volleying or taking advantage of strong approach groundies. Simply put, the topspin scares them because they have no accuracy without it and can't hit reliable half-volleys.
 

Bubcay

Hall of Fame
Really happy for Fritz. He deserves this. Had moments of greatness throughout his career, but was never able to maintain his top game... I hope this is a turning point for him.
 

Slicehand

Professional
Zverev was bating his power for at least the last three games. All these guys can hit much harder than they do. It's just that they'd rather bide their time at the baseline than slug it forward to the net, whether they'd end up volleying or taking advantage of strong approach groundies. Simply put, the topspin scares them because they have no accuracy without it and can't hit reliable half-volleys.
You dont have to hit all the time the harder you can, but if you have confidence and risk more, you could take the match, outpower sometimes also means outconfidence the opponent, in other words, have balls and go for it, also, going to the net as much as i like it is not a safe bet today unless you really know to choose your moments, not safe specially for baseliners too
 

Winners or Errors

Hall of Fame
Yes!!! What a great day for men's tennis. Look at that list of semifinalists: Norrie-Grigor-Fritz-Basilashvili. This is what the post-Big Three (Four) Era will be like. No dominant #1 for a while, guys playing inspired tennis because they believe they can win and haven't lost before they even walk on the court. We'll see. Say what you will, but this tournament has had some enjoyable, watchable matches. I'm looking forward to the semis and the final.
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
You dont have to hit all the time the harder you can, but if you have confidence and risk more, you could take the match, outpower sometimes also means outconfidence the opponent, in other words, have balls and go for it
In that case, Zverev didn't have any. Hitting heavy, loopy topspin can also allow you some easy net approaches.

Here's the truth of it for you: the kids don't play this way, because they suck at the net. It's not taught to them. They don't want to be in No Man's Land. But if they end up at the net, they aren't confident in their volleying unless they're hitting sitters.
 

Slicehand

Professional
In that case, Zverev didn't have any. Hitting heavy, loopy topspin can also allow you some easy net approaches.

Here's the truth of it for you: the kids don't play this way, because they suck at the net. It's not taught to them. They don't want to be in No Man's Land. But if they end up at the net, they aren't confident in their volleying unless they're hitting sitters.
I mean i agree with the volley part, but zverev started playing heavy and deep, when he saw that taylor didnt hesitate and was making big shots off that shots, he maybe lost confidence, thats what i meant with overpowering him, dont want to get too technical about the meaning of it tough, everyone can call it as they want
 

TennisFan3

G.O.A.T.
PATHETIC. Absolutely PATHETIC from Zed and the next Gen.

Seriously these guys Med, Zed and Titsp are JOKERS.

Novak will win 10 more slams in the next 2-3 years. These guys are not good enough.
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
I mean i agree with the volley part, but zverev started playing heavy and deep, when he saw that taylor didnt hesitate and was making big shots off that shots, he maybe lost confidence, thats what i meant with overpowering him, dont want to get too technical about the meaning of it tough, everyone can call it as they want
A lot of Zverev's balls bounced around the service line. They weren't deep by any stretch. If they were, Fritz could step back and do the same thing, ala Sabatini/Wilander. They're afraid to leave that baseline, and that's all there is to it.
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
Basilashvili is such a weird cat. Has a career losing record at the ATP level, yet has also won 5 tournaments, 3 at the 500 level. Definition of a streaky, all-or-nothing, type player. In 135 tournaments he has a career 47.7% win percentage. If you take out those five title winning tournaments, he has a career 42.1% win percentage.
 

Slicehand

Professional
In that case, Zverev didn't have any. Hitting heavy, loopy topspin can also allow you some easy net approaches.

Here's the truth of it for you: the kids don't play this way, because they suck at the net. It's not taught to them. They don't want to be in No Man's Land. But if they end up at the net, they aren't confident in their volleying unless they're hitting sitters.
Also, its not only that they dont focus as much in volleys, with the pace the ball comes back today, nobody could be number one serving and volleying i think, i would love that, but i think there is more than one reason why nobody does that and wins enough matches
 

Slicehand

Professional
A lot of Zverev's balls bounced around the service line. They weren't deep by any stretch. If they were, Fritz could step back and do the same thing, ala Sabatini/Wilander. They're afraid to leave that baseline, and that's all there is to it.
I dont think that many balls were that short, just some moments of the match, you got to give credit to fritz, he just played better than everybody hes faced at this tournament, and im not his fan or anything, i just like tennis, even if i also prefered that it wasnt so baseline centered nowadays
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
I dont think that many balls were that short, just some moments of the match, you got to give credit to fritz, he just played better than everybody hes faced at this tournament, and im not his fan or anything, i just like tennis, even if i also prefered that it wasnt so baseline centered nowadays
I'd take nothing away from him compared to the rest of the field, for certain. But he's no Agassi or even a Courier. I'm not excited for the future.
 
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