2021 French Open - if Tsitsipas had won...

[Aabye5]

To me, the 2021 French Open is the gravest disappointment for the NextGen. This was the match where the up-and-coming player was riding a high note after winning his first M1000, had progressed from a couple of semifinal appearances to his first final, and had pushed Novak very hard during their match in Roma. Then to go two sets to none and not be able to close the door was just brutal...

So, if Tsitsipas had won, would he have kept the momentum going? Would he have won a second major?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Had tsitsipas won how ?

Djokovic was never in a threat after set 2. Yes Djokovic lost 2 sets but you need to lose 3.

 

[gamelovergold]

If and buts not work in court. You have to win 3 sets and that is it. Medvedev has been more embarssing than this. Defeating novak in USO final and lost to nadal after 2 set up in AO.

 

[rigged]

Maybe the confidence he would've gain from winning his first major would've help him to win one more or even a few more.
However, unpopular opinion: he was NEVER close to winning it. Yes, he was 2 sets up, but he wasn't able to get a SINGLE break-point in the next 3 sets on the slowest slam. This match looked to me like a 2700+ ELO chess player intentionally losing the first 2 games against a 2000 one just to make him think he has any chance.

 

[mehdimike]

Maybe the confidence he would've gain from winning his first major would've help him to win one more or even a few more.
However, unpopular opinion: he was NEVER close to winning it. Yes, he was 2 sets up, but he wasn't able to get a SINGLE break-point in the next 3 sets on the slowest slam. This match looked to me like a 2700+ ELO chess player intentionally losing the first 2 games against a 2000 one just to make him think he has any chance.

Carlsen against levy?!

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

He made old Djokovic's serve on clay look like peak Ivanisevic's serve on grass.
Pathetic performance after set 2.

 

[nolefam_2024]

He made old Djokovic's serve on clay look like peak Ivanisevic's serve on grass.
Pathetic performance after set 2.

Peak ivanisevic on grass has over 42% unreturned

Djokovic vs Tsitsipas in set 3 / 4 / 5 won around 20% pts unreturned.

So lets stop lying around here.

 

[MeatTornado]

I thought that surely the confidence from winning USO 21 would propel Medvedev to #2 eventually, but that didn't happen, and he's 10x mentally stronger than Tsitsipas. So I feel pretty confident Stef would still be sitting on 1 right now if he'd won.

Also have to keep in mind that Tsitsipas has had his fair share of physical problems since then, he's just kept playing through them. His arm issues are very real, and he can't afford to ever be less than peak 100% when facing off against the top players.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I thought that surely the confidence from winning USO 21 would propel Medvedev to #2 eventually, but that didn't happen, and he's 10x mentally stronger than Tsitsipas. So I feel pretty confident Stef would still be sitting on 1 right now if he'd won.

Also have to keep in mind that Tsitsipas has had his fair share of physical problems since then, he's just kept playing through them. His arm issues are very real, and he can't afford to ever be less than peak 100% when facing off against the top players.

What you said about these two is same reasoning for players like tsonga, berdych and rest not having a slam.

These guys need to play at their best to even have chance of beating the atgs. And when at their best, they win vs atgs, they will not be ready for next round.
Everything has happened for a reason.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Peak ivanisevic on grass has over 42% unreturned

Djokovic vs Tsitsipas in set 3 / 4 / 5 won around 20% pts unreturned.

So lets stop lying around here.

Do you know what a hyperbolic figure of speech is?

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Do you know what a hyperbolic figure of speech is?

Lol does not seem to be his strong point.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Do you know what a hyperbolic figure of speech is?

Listen

Donald Trump is near presidency again .

There is no time for hyperbole. If you say hyperbolic , just add I am kidding in the end.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Listen

Donald Trump is near presidency again .

There is no time for hyperbole. If you say hyperbolic , just add I am kidding in the end.

 

[nolefam_2024]

No

The memes become reality of members.

When going hyperbolic add it so those who don't understand will not go crazy.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

No

The memes become reality of members.

When going hyperbolic add it so those who don't understand will not go crazy.

Bro. A five years old would have spotted that it was hyperbole.

 

[The Blond Blur]

No

The memes become reality of members.

When going hyperbolic add it so those who don't understand will not go crazy.

Dude, if you couldn’t understand that he was being hyperbolic that’s a you problem. In sets 3-5 Citybus didn’t generate a single BP on Joker’s serve. That’s what he was alluding to.

 

[travlerajm]

To me, the 2021 French Open is the gravest disappointment for the NextGen. This was the match where the up-and-coming player was riding a high note after winning his first M1000, had progressed from a couple of semifinal appearances to his first final, and had pushed Novak very hard during their match in Roma. Then to go two sets to none and not be able to close the door was just brutal...

So, if Tsitsipas had won, would he have kept the momentum going? Would he have won a second major?

The butterfly effect would have changed the future course of tennis by generating young up-and-coming junior 1hb-ers around the globe.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Dude, if you couldn’t understand that he was being hyperbolic that’s a you problem. In sets 3-5 Citybus didn’t generate a single BP on Joker’s serve. That’s what he was alluding to.

I could understand

But this post brings our the lowest common demominator of this site forward. They will say the same thing and repeat.

 

[The Blond Blur]

I could understand

But this post brings our the lowest common demominator of this site forward. They will say the same thing and repeat.

That doesn’t even make sense, lol. And the lowest common denominator on this site is the trolls who spam post the same thing whether it be in their own threads or someone else’s.

 

[rigged]

Carlsen against levy?!

More like Carlsen against Alexandra Botez lol

 

[taster]

To me, the 2021 French Open is the gravest disappointment for the NextGen. This was the match where the up-and-coming player was riding a high note after winning his first M1000, had progressed from a couple of semifinal appearances to his first final, and had pushed Novak very hard during their match in Roma. Then to go two sets to none and not be able to close the door was just brutal...

So, if Tsitsipas had won, would he have kept the momentum going? Would he have won a second major?

If Tsitsipas had won, he wouldn't be the player that he actually is, and since he is the player that he is, he couldn't win.
There are scenarios that could allow Tsitsipas to win, while still being Tsitsipas - if Djokovic had been injured early in the third and retired, for example. But then it's a win by default. I doubt that would have changed the mindset of Tsitsipas, but it's not inconceivable.
I thought at the time, that Henin's retirement at the 2006 Australian Open final -allowing Mauresmo to win her first slam, might have given Mauresmo the psychological lift that allowed her to legitimately win Wimbledon in the same year.
Impossible to prove though.

 

[big ted]

that match was a milestone in that it was a changing of the guards.. up until that point only djokovic would take unsuitable bathroom breaks.. after that it would be tsitsipas.

 

[InsuranceMan]

Bro. A five years old would have spotted that it was hyperbole.

He lacks social skills if it’s not obvious

 

[travlerajm]

that match was a milestone in that it was a changing of the guards.. up until that point only djokovic would take unsuitable bathroom breaks.. after that it would be tsitsipas.

He coined the term Tsitsi-pass. Before that match, it was known as a Djoko-refresh.

 

[kangaroo1973]

Tsitsipas in the last 2 seasons has reminded me Federer 2013, only 2 levels worse

 

[nolefam_2024]

Tsitsipas in the last 2 seasons has reminded me Federer 2013, only 2 levels worse

Tsitsipas did start getting injuries here and there and since has lost his edge.

 

[Racquet_smash]

Probably yes since he likely becomes a mentally strong player.

Too bad in order to win that match you already need to have some sort of mental fortitude he never had.

 

[Jonas78]

Citybus has the return stats of a player like Raonic, but without his serve. He shouldnt win a slam in any era...

 

[Indeedy71]

If and buts not work in court. You have to win 3 sets and that is it. Medvedev has been more embarssing than this. Defeating novak in USO final and lost to nadal after 2 set up in AO.

On what planet is winning a major more embarrassing than not winning one

 

[messiahrobins]

Had tsitsipas won how ?

Djokovic was never in a threat after set 2. Yes Djokovic lost 2 sets but you need to lose 3.

Exactly. it wasnt a close match at all it was a procession really. Reminded me of Nadal v Isner at FO in 2011. And Alcaraz v Zverev this year. even when losing for the winner of the match, the result was never in doubt

 

[Fabresque]

Honestly Djokovic didn’t even looked alarmed after the 2nd set. It’s like he knew Stef would bottle it and he did.

 

[JoJoHackshow]

I was pissed at Tsitsipas for that choke. He had an amazing clay season that year, but sadly that will never return since Nole took a part of his soul + now he's Alcaraz's pigeon

 

[Sudacafan]

There's no alternative universe in which he won.

 

[Nate7-5]

Fun poll since it's impossible to know

 

[nolefam_2024]

Fun poll since it's impossible to know

Third choice should have been impossible to know

 

[Djokodalerer31]

If and buts not work in court. You have to win 3 sets and that is it. Medvedev has been more embarssing than this. Defeating novak in USO final and lost to nadal after 2 set up in AO.

And repeated that after two sets up again two years later...LOL The exact same scenario, but against different opponent...

 

[Enceladus]

On what planet is winning a major more embarrassing than not winning one

You missed the point from @gamelovergold. Medvedev's loss in the AO 22 final was a worse implosion than Tsitsipas at RG 2021, as Medvedev already had a major title and several GS finals under his belt. Socrates can be excused for his lack of experience, but Meddy should have kept the lead.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Peak ivanisevic on grass has over 42% unreturned

Djokovic vs Tsitsipas in set 3 / 4 / 5 won around 20% pts unreturned.

So lets stop lying around here.

Stop being so aggressive & bullying everyone around here. You seriously speak & post way too much in attack, and try to impose your (useless) views on everyone.

And just to clarify, it was about not having any impact whatsoever on the Djokovic service games after set 2, not about unreturned %. (never thought I'd need to explain such stuff because I thought most people have a functioning brain here, but well there are below 50 IQ people as well, so be it)

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Do you know what a hyperbolic figure of speech is?

Post that image.
DO IT

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Dude, if you couldn’t understand that he was being hyperbolic that’s a you problem. In sets 3-5 Citybus didn’t generate a single BP on Joker’s serve. That’s what he was alluding to.

Let alone generating break points, Tsitsipas managed to take ONLY ONE Djokovic service game to deuce (the last game of the match) in those 3 sets.
On Roland bloody Garros's bloody slow red clay for Christ's sake!!!

 

[Hood_Man]

Tsitsipas injured himself at the end of the 2nd set. He was already leading that set so he was able to serve it out but he was visibly hampered for the rest of the match.

It was the Australian Open final where he lost to a clearly injured Djokovic in straight sets that was unforgivable.

 

[NoleFam]

Why would this particular match be the gravest disappointment of the next gen? He was never in any winning position and after Djokovic broke him at 2-1 in the 3rd set, he took control and never looked back. Djokovic never was even threatened on serve in the rest of the match.

A more disheartening loss would Medvedev's AO loss from 2-0 sets to Nadal and 0-40 at 3-2 in the 3rd. He was in total control and Nadal didn't have the answers up to that point; then Medvedev made some costly errors in that game, started unraveling and complaining about the crowd, and lost his way. Even in the 5th, Nadal served for it and Medvedev broke back to make it 5 all and he still ending up losing the next 2 games.

 

[Racquet_smash]

Why would this particular match be the gravest disappointment of the next gen? He was never in any winning position and after Djokovic broke him at 2-1 in the 3rd set, he took control and never looked back. Djokovic never was even threatened on serve in the rest of the match.

A more disheartening loss would Medvedev's AO loss from 2-0 sets to Nadal and 0-40 at 3-2 in the 3rd. He was in total control and Nadal didn't have the answers up to that point; then Medvedev made some costly errors in that game, started unraveling and complaining about the crowd, and lost his way. Even in the 5th, Nadal served for it and Medvedev broke back to make it 5 all and he still ending up losing the next 2 games.

Medvedev wasn't all that much in control. Nadal should have won the 2nd but threw it away.

 

[NoleFam]

Medvedev wasn't all that much in control. Nadal should have won the 2nd but threw it away.

Then Djokovic should have won the 1st set since he served for it. The fact is, Medvedev was in a more commanding position in the 3rd set than Tsistipas was, and he had chances in the 5th when Tsitsipas had little.

 

[Gazelle]

Medvedev wasn't all that much in control. Nadal should have won the 2nd but threw it away.

2 sets up and triple BP

 

[Racquet_smash]

2 sets up and triple BP

And? It's not true that Nadal had no answers to him when he serves for the set and lost the tie break due to a ridiculous overhead error, lol.

Both Medvedev and Tsitsipas choked the same exact way. They basically left the match during the 3rd.

 

[sportsfan1]

Tsitsipas injured himself at the end of the 2nd set. He was already leading that set so he was able to serve it out but he was visibly hampered for the rest of the match.

It was the Australian Open final where he lost to a clearly injured Djokovic in straight sets that was unforgivable.

That bh wing is very shaky, and was always going to get exploited once Novak woke up during the match.

 

[Racquet_smash]

Then Djokovic should have won the 1st set since he served for it. The fact is, Medvedev was in a more commanding position in the 3rd set than Tsistipas was, and he had chances in the 5th when Tsitsipas had little.

Both the FO and the AO final went exactly the same way.

 

[NoleFam]

Both the FO and the AO final went exactly the same way.

I just spelled out why they were different.

 

[Jonas78]

Then Djokovic should have won the 1st set since he served for it. The fact is, Medvedev was in a more commanding position in the 3rd set than Tsistipas was, and he had chances in the 5th when Tsitsipas had little.

That was a monster choke. Its hilarious when people say that wasnt a plain choke, even the bookies had Medvedev as 96% favourite at one point. With 2-0 in sets and 3 BPs in the third, Medvedev was in a way more commanding position than Tsits.