2021 Roland Garros - Men's Singles - General Discussion

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Terry Tibbs

Hall of Fame
Does anybody know why they are having matches on so late this year which seems completely unnecessary? Conditions are more significantly effected by evening matches here than at the other slams which gives an advantage to certain players more suited to slower conditions.

It wouldn't be so bad if the fans were allowed in. Playing night matches in front of empty stadiums. Seriously? Stupid 21.00 covid curfew is completely unnecessary also. So people can spread the virus during the day but they are not alllowed to do it after 21.00? What an utter nonsence.
 
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Vamos Rafa Nadal

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Who do you guys think will win the Delbonis-Davidovich Fokina match??? Who would have ever guessed that one of these two would make it to the QF's???

I almost always root for underdogs so understandably my players tend to lose but I also get to be so much happier when an upset occurs!!!! I am rooting for Garin, Carreno Busta, and Nishikori - and can't make up my mind about who to root for in the Delbonis-Davidovich Fokina match...
 

gn

G.O.A.T.
Does anybody know why they are having matches on so late this year which seems completely unnecessary? Conditions are more significantly effected by evening matches here than at the other slams which gives an advantage to certain players more suited to slower conditions.

It wouldn't be so bad if the fans were allowed in. Playing night matches in front of empty stadiums. Seriously? Stupid 21.00 covid curfew is completely unnecessary also. So people can spread the virus during the day but they are not alllowed to do it after 21.00? What an utter nonsence.

May as well play all of the matches during the day if people are not allowed to stay in the stadium after 9 pm.
At least, people will get more value for their money and players will get more rest.
 

Baseline_Bungle

Hall of Fame
Who do you guys think will win the Delbonis-Davidovich Fokina match??? Who would have ever guessed that one of these two would make it to the QF's???

I almost always root for underdogs so understandably my players tend to lose but I also get to be so much happier when an upset occurs!!!! I am rooting for Garin, Carreno Busta, and Nishikori - and can't make up my mind about who to root for in the Delbonis-Davidovich Fokina match...

I think ADF will win, to complete an "all-Russian" bottom half. Delbonis, like Struff, is one of those guys who's always been better than his ranking shows. But, like Struff, he's an emotionally fragile player who's always struggled to close out matches. The Argentine has been in top form recently, but I suspect the moment will get to him today.
 

Terry Tibbs

Hall of Fame
May as well play all of the matches during the day if people are not allowed to stay in the stadium after 9 pm.
At least, people will get more value for their money and players will get more rest.

Exactly. Knowing that fans wont be allowed in just why would you schedule matches for the evening? Idiots.
 

reef58

Semi-Pro
I feel like that can be at least partly attributed to the draw, but I agree that some people were being a little too upset over the seeds unjustifiably
Can you explain this? Do you mean matchups issues for the lower seeded players? It seems the top 100 were there so they had their chance.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
I think ADF will win, to complete an "all-Russian" bottom half. Delbonis, like Struff, is one of those guys who's always been better than his ranking shows. But, like Struff, he's an emotionally fragile player who's always struggled to close out matches. The Argentine has been in top form recently, but I suspect the moment will get to him today.

The only one of these guys that can arguably be considered "better than his ranking", is Delbonis, because even though he's hovering in the mid 50s on the ATP ranking as the other are, he's actually 2/4 in finals in ATP250 events, whereas Struff has reached 1 final, and ADF has reached 0.

To win tournaments on the ATP level you need a sustainable strategy and tactics. This is even more important the lower your ranking is, because you will need to rack up even more consecutive wins than a top 10 players, to end up holding the trophy. ADF and Struff are prime example of players that incorporate redlining way too often in their matches. Wether this is a pre-planned strategy or a tactic based on personal preference, is hard to say, but the laws of probability always catch up with you, the more matches you play in a tournament. That's the nature of risk and reward, and is the reason why Nadal is almost impossible to win over on clay. His game just has that much more margin than any other player on clay.
 

Baseline_Bungle

Hall of Fame
The only one of these guys that can arguably be considered "better than his ranking", is Delbonis, because even though he's hovering in the mid 50s on the ATP ranking as the other are, he's actually 2/4 in finals in ATP250 events, whereas Struff has reached 1 final, and ADF has reached 0.

To win tournaments on the ATP level you need a sustainable strategy and tactics. This is even more important the lower your ranking is, because you will need to rack up even more consecutive wins than a top 10 players, to end up holding the trophy. ADF and Struff are prime example of players that incorporate redlining way too often in their matches. Wether this is a pre-planned strategy or a tactic based on personal preference, is hard to say, but the laws of probability always catch up with you, the more matches you play in a tournament. That's the nature of risk and reward, and is the reason why Nadal is almost impossible to win over on clay. His game just has that much more margin than any other player on clay.
What I meant is that they are two examples of players who have near-elite tennis weapons but not the results to show for it. Call me old-fashioned but I refuse to see tennis in purely Saber-metrics, Google-analytics terms. It's true that Struff plays a high-risk, low-margin power game, but that's not why he's consistently lost matches he should have won. His issue, like with Delbo is, has always been that he wilts under pressure and crumbles psychologically when it's time to go for the jugular.
 

mehdimike

Hall of Fame
Exactly. Knowing that fans wont be allowed in just why would you schedule matches for the evening? Idiots.
Last night after watching a bit of Roger's match, for the first time in my life I could notice the difference between playing in the afternoon and in the evening!
Roger's serve had become so slow and useless like never before!Both players couldn't hit clean winners easily. And I say this because I remember watching Roger Cilic First set and I wad like "oh boy this is such a fast clay surface". Roger is gonna servebot till the F. And then happened last night's match :rolleyes:
 

El_Yotamo

Hall of Fame
Can you explain this? Do you mean matchups issues for the lower seeded players? It seems the top 100 were there so they had their chance.
What I mean is that some seeds in the top 10 had significantly easier draws than some other non top tenners which resulted in so many through to the fourth round
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
The Fraud Hate is really stronk today. How dare you keep winning on one leg?

Back in the real world, I'm hoping for a smooth journey for Tsitsipas today, but it may be a tough one...
 
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skip1969

G.O.A.T.
Tsitsi is the first men's match of the day. Does anyone in 'merica know which of the 50 channels that are covering RG will be showing this match? I'm so done.
 

Terry Tibbs

Hall of Fame
Last night after watching a bit of Roger's match, for the first time in my life I could notice the difference between playing in the afternoon and in the evening!
Roger's serve had become so slow and useless like never before!Both players couldn't hit clean winners easily. And I say this because I remember watching Roger Cilic First set and I wad like "oh boy this is such a fast clay surface". Roger is gonna servebot till the F. And then happened last night's match :rolleyes:

Yes it was painful. Roger in particular just couldn't hit through the treacle court either with groundstrokes or his serves. Everything was coming back.
 

phl92

Hall of Fame
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Vamos Rafa Nadal

Guest
At the beginning of the tournament I was ridiculed for daring to say that Medvedev had a shot at making it to the SF's or even the final! He has figured out how to play on clay!
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Stefanos Tsitsipas defeats Carreno Busta in straight sets to make his 2nd French Open QF.

Impressive display from Stefanos who now faces the winner of Garin/Medvedev.

Looking a real threat this RG.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
What I meant is that they are two examples of players who have near-elite tennis weapons but not the results to show for it. Call me old-fashioned but I refuse to see tennis in purely Saber-metrics, Google-analytics terms. It's true that Struff plays a high-risk, low-margin power game, but that's not why he's consistently lost matches he should have won. His issue, like with Delbo is, has always been that he wilts under pressure and crumbles psychologically when it's time to go for the jugular.

That's where we disagree :)
Because the probability nature of playing "high-risk, low-margin" is a losing one for two reasons: it puts way more pressure on the player, and if you have the mental strength to see it through, the shots you need to make are more likely to end up as errors (compared to a less risky approach).

ADF and Gaston might be enjoyable to watch with their epic drop shots, but there's a reason you rarely see Nadal and Djokovic paint the lines until they have to: it's a losing strategy that always backfires over time.
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
Is Fokina a future FO contender? I see him handling Delbonis easily and his intensity/aggressiveness is what a player must have to win matches on clay. Unconvinced he will go far this year but at only 21 he could have a chance eventually.
 
Is Fokina a future FO contender? I see him handling Delbonis easily and his intensity/aggressiveness is what a player must have to win matches on clay. Unconvinced he will go far this year but at only 21 he could have a chance eventually.

Very talented, after seeing his match against Ruud I'm a fan, but he is an headcase, can do a lot of UEs and losing his service games if he loses his concentration.
 

Nadal_King

Hall of Fame
With federer out which match will be the historic night match on Wednesday if both djokodal get through tomorrow, Nadal- Schwartzman at night to me is scary for Rafa considering slow conditions could mean a slugfest 2 days before potential djokovic match
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
Been pretty impressive how easily Zverev, Tsitsipas, Medvedev, and Berrettini have made it through the draw. Definitely the losses of Thiem and Rublev early, and Ruud later on, sullied the draws a bit, but overall it's been pretty much a demolition job through the draw for some really good players that are just a notch below Djokodal (who are also just steamrolling their draws - as expected). Add in an out-of-form Schwartzman apparently returning to form, plus a serious push by teenagers, this has all the makings of a spectacular finish to the fortnight.
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
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smalahove

Hall of Fame
Struff showering his lack of mental strength yet again lmao

Not about lack of mental strength imo. Struff plays the way he likes: high risk, high reward, which paid off for a few games (he had a 100% winning % on his first serve at 5-1).
But Struff is not good enough to rally consistently with Diego, whose game is about consistency flavored with pace and placement, Djoko-style. So when Diego gets going from side to side, pumping his FH and BH all around the court, Struff's in trouble because he's not good enough.
 
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