2021 US Open Final - [1] Novak Djokovic vs. [2] Daniil Medvedev

2021 US Open Champion?

  • Novak Djokovic in 3

    Votes: 31 17.0%

  • Novak Djokovic in 4

    Votes: 63 34.6%

  • Novak Djokovic in 5

    Votes: 29 15.9%

  • Daniil Medvedev in 3

    Votes: 6 3.3%

  • Daniil Medvedev in 4

    Votes: 32 17.6%

  • Daniil Medvedev in 5

    Votes: 21 11.5%

  • foobar

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    182
Tonight was not Djok at his best, he has a higher gear if he can find it. Too many unforced errors and though he did have several clutch serves, he can serve better over all. I just wonder how much he has left in the tank ?
 
yokied said:
His legs weren't even really tested in the 5th. There were a few long points but most of the difference was Novak upping the ante and Zod mentally collapsing, instead of going with him. There was a brief Zod resurgence in the 3rd and 2nd last games but the 5th was a time-vampire joke really.
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He missed a tremendous oppor in the first game when Novak was looking shaky. Won the first point and was in total command in the second yet netted the Backhand.
 
Novak will be exhausted after the last two matches that were 3+ hours especially after Zverev match. Medvedev is in form of his life and rested. He can trouble exhausted and mentally drained Novak. I give 58% chances to Medvedev vs. 42% to Novak. Could go to 5 sets with Novak severly without breath in the fifth in the biggest drama tennis world has seen after 40:15.
 
Pandaman said:
Novak's time on court has to catch up with him eventually, right? +5.5 hours than Medvedev, about +2 hours than at AO, where he got an extra day of rest.
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You'd think so but then again in tonight's match he wsa playing even better late into the match. I don't get how he's outlasting guys 10-15 years younger than he is.
 
Djokovic knows this is his chance of GOAThood and making history. He spent more time on court but he hasn’t played much in a month. Novak needed to be tested this slam and he’s had that a lot. He’s arguably the fittest guy on tour and in most sport. He wants this bad and will be ready. I think he will recover fine for this.

That said meddy is also playing amazing tennis and he will be very tough opponent. He has sailed through his draw his defence on hard court is very impressive.

This could be another long one and can’t wait for it. I hope Djokovic makes history but I respect meddy a lot and like him best from the next gen players. May the best man win,
 
Well at least it's a next gen who Djokovic simply can't outlast physically... But Jesus Med needs to serve Samprasesque to take 3 off Djokovic
 
Vamos Rafa Nadal said:
Medvedev will in 3 sets. I know you guys think Djokovic can walk on water but let's look at the facts: Djokovic has dropped SIX sets, Medvedev ONE. Medvedev has been playing better than Djokovic all tournament. Medvedev is not intimidated by Djokovic. Medvedev has been on the courts far less over the course of the past two weeks. Medvedev is serving at an amazing level. Medvedev is going to win on Sunday.
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This is your day:
1) Make desperate and shallow projections about Novak's current opponent winning purely based on your 15 year hatred for Novak
2) Reword and repost 20 more times across 5 threads
3) Watch Novak win
4) Copy and paste the previous posts into the new matchup thread, inserting the new opponent's name
5) Repeat 1-4
 
Pandaman said:
Novak's time on court has to catch up with him eventually, right? +5.5 hours than Medvedev, about +2 hours than at AO, where he got an extra day of rest.
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Med hasn't been tested at all though. Has had all garbage opponents. Could be undercooked.
 
Went with Novak in 4 again. Could be straights, but he’s been generous with the donations this fortnight. He’ll probably have a couple patches where Medvedev’s impenetrable wall will frustrate him into errors, but for the rest of the match his variety, his return, and his own impenetrable wall will frustrate Medvedev.

Whatever happens, I know one thing for certain: Novak is not losing this match.
 
Indigo said:
Novak will be exhausted after the last two matches that were 3+ hours especially after Zverev match. Medvedev is in form of his life and rested. He can trouble exhausted and mentally drained Novak. I give 58% chances to Medvedev vs. 42% to Novak. Could go to 5 sets with Novak severly without breath in the fifth in the biggest drama tennis world has seen after 40:15.
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4 straight match of 3 hour, and total time around 13 and half hour in last four matches, lots of mileage on Novak body
 
WhiskeyEE said:
Med hasn't been tested at all though. Has had all garbage opponents. Could be undercooked.
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ACE of Hearts said:
Med has had a cupcake of a draw. I don’t see that as a good thing.
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I totally agree and have been pissed since the draw came out because one guy was gonna have to earn it while the other would sleepwalk past mediocre hard court players. I just wonder if cumulative fatigue can more than offset the lack of preparation but more rest Medvedev has. Can Novak play 5 hours? Sure. At what point will he start playing with slightly compromised movement, serves, or forehands? The fh was erratic today. I think he needs to wrap it up sooner than later, something he failed to do today when he had a chance to get off court in 2:45-2:50.

The good news is Medvedev isn't going to overpower him. He can, however, outrally him if he's on.
 
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I just don’t see Nole losing this. He’s the only slam champion in the men’s draw, he’ll get the job done. Typical lose the first set then win in four. If it happens to go to five he’ll role in the fifth like 2 or 3.
 
jltman said:
I don’t understand why anyone thinks Medvedev can beat Djokovic in a BO5.

You think he can push his way to a championship vs the best defensive baseliner of all time? Seriously?
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Are you betting a substantial amount of money on Djokovic winning? Because with such confidence it would be weird if you didn't.
 
fundrazer said:
You'd think so but then again in tonight's match he wsa playing even better late into the match. I don't get how he's outlasting guys 10-15 years younger than he is.
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I know right, I remember Agassi around the mid 2000s at the same age as Djokovic is now and he seemed like an old man on the tour then, struggling physically in some long matches but things have really turned around now...
 
Medvedev has no net game whatsoever. Djokovic does these days (relative to the current generation of players). The depth Medvedev plays at leaves him vulnerable to drop shots that will force him to the net where he is completely helpless. Novak will play for shorter points and force him to the net, just like in Melbourne. Medvedev’s only chance is to serve lights out and hope the pressure of the moment is too much for Novak. Good luck with that.
 
Really thought about how med could win this. Basically we’d have to be looking at Medvedev putting on a pushing show that would put the likes of Simon and Brooksby to shame, Djokovic spraying errors left and right and missing all his volleys, AND Medvedev serving like a monster. And all this is assuming Djokovic actually is fatigued.

I think Med will play a lot better than the AO final (hard not to, really) but there’s something missing from his game.
 
Zverev was consistently serving in the 130’s and mixing it up quite well. He played really well and still lost. He was hitting Joker with body blow after body blow. You could really see Joker struggling to keep up with Zed’s pace of shot. His experience and mental strength got him through that match. While I agree he’s running on fumes, Med doesn’t have the firepower in his groundstrokes to pound Joker further into submission. He has to be very aggressive and serve effectively. You have to BLUDGEON Joker to death. You can’t out push him, finesse him, etc. You have to beat him to death like Wawrinka, Thiem, Zed (in his victories) and Nadal.
 
Rickenbacker4003 said:
Zverev was consistently serving in the 130’s and mixing it up quite well. He played really well and still lost. He was hitting Joker with body blow after body blow. You could really see Joker struggling to keep up with Zed’s pace of shot. His experience and mental strength got him through that match. While I agree he’s running on fumes, Med doesn’t have the firepower in his groundstrokes to pound Joker further into submission. He has to be very aggressive and serve effectively. You have to BLUDGEON Joker to death. You can’t out push him, finesse him, etc. You have to beat him to death like Wawrinka, Thiem, Zed (in his victories) and Nadal.
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This, zverev was a scary matchup. Medvedev, not so much. You beat Djokovic by hitting through him, not by doing a one dimensional impersonation of him.

I imagine there is a path to victory for Medvedev but it probably has a lot more to do with Djokovic failing than it does Medvedev winning.
 
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jltman said:
This, zverev was a scary matchup. Medvedev, not so much. You beat Djokovic by hitting through him, not by doing a one dimensional impersonation of him.

I imagine there is a path to victory for Medvedev but it probably has a lot more to do with Djokovic failing than it does Medvedev winning.
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Medvedev can be aggressive too
 
Cortana said:
He had a cakewalk and wasn't tested at all. Med won't be ready for Novaks level.
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I find this so irritating - it isn't Medvedev's fault that the only player who could have tested him in his side of the draw - Tsitsipas - was eliminated in the third round! What in the heck was he supposed to do, ask Tsitsipas or Zverev to do a practice best of 5 match so that he would be tested? Djokovic didn't play anyone who would test him until tonight. Medvedev is already playing at Djokovic's level!!!!
 
jltman said:
This, zverev was a scary matchup. Medvedev, not so much. You beat Djokovic by hitting through him, not by doing a one dimensional impersonation of him.

I imagine there is a path to victory for Medvedev but it probably has a lot more to do with Djokovic failing than it does Medvedev winning.
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That’s why Fed after 2013 doesn’t match up well. He tries to out finesse him. That doesn’t work against Joker. You have to have a strong, powerful and reliable right handed backhand side (Thiem, Zed, Wawrinka) or a strong, reliable and powerful left handed forehand (Nadal). And then just use that and open up Joker forehand corner to expose his backhand for the winner or setup shot. Fed actually hurts himself when he slices or goes crosscourt with his backhand. He really needs to simplify his strategy, almost play in a primitive fashion.
 
El_Yotamo said:
No, you said Djokovic is great and praised him like crazy. My assertion is that he's been totally ordinary all year, but nextgen have let him walk away with everything
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He's NOT ordinary man. Just STOP. Djokovic is GOAT. He is producing performances that defy age, logic, laws of the Universe by his unparalleled excellence.
Zverev played one of the BEST matches of his life, laid his bones out there, and STILL lost.
Just accept the simple fact: Novak is TOO GOOD.. Tip your hat to him and life would be easier.
Instead of criticizing next gen incessantly, let's please try to acknowledge how GREAT Novak is. There's NEVER been a tennis player as good as he is and there NEVER will be.
 
mike danny said:
No proof he's playing better.
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You are deluded if you don't see that Medvedev is playing better than Djokovic in this tournament. This doesn't mean that the player who isn't playing as well won't win on Sunday, but Medvedev has had the better tournament in the first six matches.
 
Vamos Rafa Nadal said:
Medvedev will in 3 sets. I know you guys think Djokovic can walk on water but let's look at the facts: Djokovic has dropped SIX sets, Medvedev ONE. Medvedev has been playing better than Djokovic all tournament. Medvedev is not intimidated by Djokovic. Medvedev has been on the courts far less over the course of the past two weeks. Medvedev is serving at an amazing level. Medvedev is going to win on Sunday.
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Djokovic had to face 2 top-8 seeds though. Berrettini (6) who ONLY lost to him this year in slam, and Zverev (4) who is the 2nd best player in the world since the clay season, and who hadn't lost a match since Wimbledon. I don't think ANYONE else would've had the last word against this Zverev. In comparison, Medvedev had a qualifier in 1/4, and 2 non top-10 seeds including one who was playing his first slam 1/2. Djokovic also played Nishikori who was easily top-15 in this match, whereas Medvedev got a 35 years old clay specialist (Andujar). In Round 1 Djokovic faced a teenager who was on a winning streak of 14 matches. Rune > Gasquet, Nishikori > Andujar, Berrettini > Zandschulp and Zverev > Auger-Aliassime. Technically, only Medvedev's 4th Round was tougher (Evans > Brooksby) and maybe the 2nd match (Grieekspoor vs Koepfer... debatable, though since Griekspoor took out Struff). So, Medvedev dropping 1 set is a bit misleading IMO. He was only a few points away from dropping 2 sets against a qualifier in 1/4. And today he was down 2-5 + 3 sets points on Auger's serve at 5-3. FAA choked big time IMO. Much like Sinner in the 3rd set tie-break or Harris in his 1st set.
"Medvedev has been playing better all tournament" Debatable. In the last 2 matches, I thought Djokovic played reached a higher level. Do you really believe Medvedev played better than Djokovic's last 3 sets vs Berrettini and the last 4 sets today?

To answer the poll.. Djokovic SLIGHTLY favorite for me. Physical recuperation MAY be a factor, sure. But we saw what happened in Australia. Djokvic also dropped sets in 4 different matches (Medvedev only in 1 match) and he still won in 3. In Roland, the SF vs Nadal was just as difficult as the SF today, Tsitsipas was a lot fresher and we saw what happened. He has now 2 days to recover, he'll be ready. This is a unique opportunity to make the greatest achievement in tennis history. He won't let fatigue ruin his chances, in my opinion.
One thing that could play in Medvedev's favor is the pressure for the Calendar Slam. The pressure was huge since the 1st round here, but it'll be 10x higher in final? It's the one thing that may derail Djokovic if he gets close to winning. We'll see how he handles it.
Based on the level of Djokovic/Zvererv's match + the last Djokovic/Medvedev match, it's 60-40 for me.
I wouldn't bet my house on this, but if I had to choose something, it'd be Djokovic in 4.
 
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