2021 US Open Final - [1] Novak Djokovic vs. [2] Daniil Medvedev

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Visionary

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This thread is more alive than the two players were on the court seriously. The match, honestly, was boring and of a low quality but nothing different from the AO final where, the other way around, Meddy gave up so many easy balls from under his own feet. In this one in NY, Novak was totally off on so many balls for some reason. His forehand was unusually unrelaxed, misfiring and/or hitting/returning midcourt balls to Daniil way too often. If Novak thought those under the feet of Meddy balls that this Russian missed in AO would go the same way from the number 2 in the world this time, the Serb was naive. Daniil did little on the court and yet came up with the trophy. I am very sorry guys but paying so much money to see such a match is just ridiculous.

On the other hand in the WTA, the final was of a much higher quality. The new teenage sensations played their hearts out, hit a lot of hard balls to corners of the opponent, charged the net and gave an excellent show to the audience that paid a lot less for much better quality of tennis. The match was an absolute delight.

I know it hurts if you either paid for Meddy vs Novak final tickets or are fans of the men players (I am). This has to be said. One thing is to expect to see the history of tennis to be written; another one is to experience an unforgettable match that exceeds the quality of a pro GS final.
 

73west

Semi-Pro
Very pro Djokovic crowd through the entire match. It was cool seeing how much it meant to Novak that he had New York cheering for him.
I get it from the player's perspective. It means more to some than others, but I totally understand why it would mean that much to a player to be "embraced" by the crowd.

What I don't get is the commentators who really pushed this idea that the fans owe it to Djokovic to root for him and root for history, that it's an obligation to root for greatness and that someone fans are being ungrateful if they cheer for Rune or Brooksby. No, fans get to root for who they want to root for, as long as they are civil about it (which NY crowds may not always be). If fans prefer Federer or Nadal, then fans prefer Federer or Nadal.It sucks for Djokovic, and I get why it upsets him, but it's not the obligation of the crowd to change and start rooting for him. We root for who we want to root for.

Nobody pushed this obligation angle more than Chris Fowler on ESPN, and I don't think it has any merit or makes any sense.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
I have to admit, it was Medvedev who put on a tennis clinic by straight-setting Djokovic. That was one one the most unexpected finals I've seen in quite some time. I really wanted to see another person win the Grand Slam, but the USO has no been kind to that pursuit in recent years.
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
After years of watch Novak and Medvedev for that matter here's a fair take I think.

Medvedev was serving his spots very well and soaked up the pressure off the groundstrokes nicely. He was allowed to dominate all match because:

Djokovic was awful in all areas. Djokovic's serve was attrocious not just the percentages but the accuracy. Djokovic's return was non-existent, against even bigger servers he's done better this tournament. Djokovic's ground game was very slow, his FH and BH speeds were on average down 6mph and 4mph, which is huge.

A lot of people are saying this match was because of Medvedev, actually this match was almost entirely unfolding the way it did because Novak didn't show up.
Disagree. Medvedev played well. Wasn't a lights out performance, but it was quite good. Their H2H is now 5-4 in Novak's favor. Perhaps the match-up created a lot of the poor play, which I agree wasn't Novak's best. In any case, Medvedev earned it.
 

saguar0

Rookie
This thread is more alive than the two players were on the court seriously. The match, honestly, was boring and of a low quality but nothing different from the AO final where, the other way around, Meddy gave up so many easy balls from under his own feet. In this one in NY, Novak was totally off on so many balls for some reason. His forehand was unusually unrelaxed, misfiring and/or hitting/returning midcourt balls to Daniil way too often. If Novak thought those under the feet of Meddy balls that this Russian missed in AO would go the same way from the number 2 in the world this time, the Serb was naive. Daniil did little on the court and yet came up with the trophy. I am very sorry guys but paying so much money to see such a match is just ridiculous.

On the other hand in the WTA, the final was of a much higher quality. The new teenage sensations played their hearts out, hit a lot of hard balls to corners of the opponent, charged the net and gave an excellent show to the audience that paid a lot less for much better quality of tennis. The match was an absolute delight.

I know it hurts if you either paid for Meddy vs Novak final tickets or are fans of the men players (I am). This has to be said. One thing is to expect to see the history of tennis to be written; another one is to experience an unforgettable match that exceeds the quality of a pro GS final.
I think it was an awesome match an if you think it was low quality - good luck to you.
This is the way Medvedev plays - if you saw any other of his matches at the US Open or before that - he does make other players look silly and uncomfortable on the court. It may look boring, but he gets the job done.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Disagree. Medvedev played well. Wasn't a lights out performance, but it was quite good. Their H2H is now 5-4 in Novak's favor. Perhaps the match-up created a lot of the poor play, which I agree wasn't Novak's best. In any case, Medvedev earned it.
Daniil played great. What he did so well is his serve, he served big and hit his spots and even novak had problems returning effectively . Novak being tired probably played a role in that but his return game wasn't at his very best all tournament long. Another shot Medvedev did so well was his down the line rocket backhand. He was consistent and hit the corners everytime. I am sure he talked about the shot with his coaching staff before the match,,, and decided that shot had to be firing on all cylinders if he was to beat novak. and he executed that shot perfectly.

 

Rina

Professional
Daniil player really great, that's the thing. And Djokovic hit slow balls and seemed not to be able to run. But, again, maybe Medvedev shot's were that fast that they were just too much even for Novak. Wasn't much eh could do when he could not take the couple of break points he had.
While I am sad for Novak and his record, Medvedev just outclassed him. What might have contributed to this? Nerves, tired, injured, it doesn't matter, it was not his day.
 

Rina

Professional
One example: in that last game Novak really amped up his performance. I was thoroughly impressed that Med was able to withstand that onslaught. No comfortably, mind you, but he kept the ball in play long enough to draw an error or hit a winner.
The issue for Novak was that he did not amp up his game as in that moment the rest of the time. He did that in other matches after being down. This time, nothing. If Novak played like that the whole match, it is unlikely that Med could have kept up with it for 2, 3 sets. But, that is not Med's fault. Novak simply looked out of gas much of the match. Or perhaps Med played that well, that he made his look out of gas.
 

Fed881981

Hall of Fame
The loss yesterday and not taking the opportunity to win the CYGS will hit Djokovic 10 years from now, 20 years from now and basically his entire post-tour life.
 

Vamos Rafa Nadal

Hall of Fame
I re-watched the entire final last night, without the stress of it being live and worrying about the outcome, and Medvedev played a 97% flawless match! So few mistakes. I felt he would be broken once, his average for the tournament was one break of his service per match, and I felt that he would get four breaks of service on Djokovic's service games - again, looking at Djokovic's stats and the fact that he had been on the court 5 1/2 hours longer than Medvedev. The thing that has most impressed me about Medvedev has been his crafting of points with brilliant shot selections - it is a sight to behold!
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
I re-watched the entire final last night, without the stress of it being live and worrying about the outcome, and Medvedev played a 97% flawless match! So few mistakes. I felt he would be broken once, his average for the tournament was one break of his service per match, and I felt that he would get four breaks of service on Djokovic's service games - again, looking at Djokovic's stats and the fact that he had been on the court 5 1/2 hours longer than Medvedev. The thing that has most impressed me about Medvedev has been his crafting of points with brilliant shot selections - it is a sight to behold!
He was able to execute perfectly on his game plan.

1. Get lots of free points on first serve.
2. Play every rally ball deep and down the middle, with minimal risk, unless weak short ball comes.
3. When weak short ball comes, pull trigger to the corner.
4. Rinse and repeat.

He’s been doing it very well for awhile, but this was first time with the whole world watching.
 

73west

Semi-Pro
I re-watched the entire final last night, without the stress of it being live and worrying about the outcome, and Medvedev played a 97% flawless match! So few mistakes. I felt he would be broken once, his average for the tournament was one break of his service per match, and I felt that he would get four breaks of service on Djokovic's service games - again, looking at Djokovic's stats and the fact that he had been on the court 5 1/2 hours longer than Medvedev. The thing that has most impressed me about Medvedev has been his crafting of points with brilliant shot selections - it is a sight to behold!
He looks so robotic that you can lose sight of what a brilliant tactician he is, and how much variety he is capable of.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
I am glad this will finally be over tomorrow. I am making an incredibly bold prediction: Medvedev will win in 3 straight sets. I have noticed that when Djokovic wants to win too much he loses and implodes. Before you jump all over me please remember that predictions are speculative and we are all entitled to think one player will win over another and to interpret information (stats in this case) to make a case for one outcome over another. I think most people are predicting Djokovic due to the historicity aspect of the occasion. Medvedev has dropped only one set and you can think that doesn't matter but think otherwise. I respect people who predict Djokovic and have real reasons for it other than "he's Djokovic so therefore he will win".

I boldly predicted that Roger Federer would lose to Hubert Hurkacz in 3 straight sets at Wimbledon and I was right about it. If I am wrong about my prediction and your precious Djokovic wins so be it, it's no disgrace to be wrong about a tennis match. There's no reason to get upset about it or to ridicule someone else's prediction.
I like reading match threads after the game.

You must be pretty proud of this one.
 

paolo2143

Semi-Pro
As a Novak fan i obviously felt gutted last night. However i didn't feel anywhere near as bad as i thought i would today and i think that is because he was outplayed on the day.

A combination of Med playing excellent and Novak being subpar meant he was never really in the match, in some ways that is easier to take.

I think if he had actually won 3rd set and pushed it to 4th set tiebreak or 5th set and lost i would have felt really crushed and it would have lasted quite a while.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
will tennis channel show this again with full analysis ? and where are all the post match analysis from youtubers ?? they all went dead after Daniil won and they all predicted Novak winning.........lol :-D :-D including will hamilton who originally had Daniil winning but then changed his mind day before the match................:p
 

Vamos Rafa Nadal

Hall of Fame
will tennis channel show this again with full analysis ? and where are all the post match analysis from youtubers ?? they all went dead after Daniil won and they all predicted Novak winning.........lol :-D :-D including will hamilton who originally had Daniil winning but then changed his mind day before the match................:p
Tennis Channel re-broadcast the entire final later that night, which I watched and it was better the second time around due to a lack of stress over the outcome.

Three-A Tennis Show did a youtube episode post-match - it was somewhat of a eulogy since they wanted Djokovic to win.

The Slice Tennis did a short video post-match too.

Waiting for Gill Gross to do one, but he usually does a Monday match post-analysis video so I am hoping he will do one today.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Tennis Channel re-broadcast the entire final later that night, which I watched and it was better the second time around due to a lack of stress over the outcome.

Three-A Tennis Show did a youtube episode post-match - it was somewhat of a eulogy since they wanted Djokovic to win.

The Slice Tennis did a short video post-match too.

Waiting for Gill Gross to do one, but he usually does a Monday match post-analysis video so I am hoping he will do one today.
What about the legendary coffee break tennis ? he's the best one of them all
 

FiddlerDog

Professional
Medvedev's serve was very accurate. Many free points with wide and T aces. Med's serve magic wore off by the end. Saved by the bell.
Novak's serve was weak. 2nd serve was 80 mph. Unacceptable for a GOAT 20.

Novak played it too safe. He only started hitting hard at the very end.
Novak sliced too many BHs. Too passive.
 
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Rickenbacker4003

Hall of Fame
I get it from the player's perspective. It means more to some than others, but I totally understand why it would mean that much to a player to be "embraced" by the crowd.

What I don't get is the commentators who really pushed this idea that the fans owe it to Djokovic to root for him and root for history, that it's an obligation to root for greatness and that someone fans are being ungrateful if they cheer for Rune or Brooksby. No, fans get to root for who they want to root for, as long as they are civil about it (which NY crowds may not always be). If fans prefer Federer or Nadal, then fans prefer Federer or Nadal.It sucks for Djokovic, and I get why it upsets him, but it's not the obligation of the crowd to change and start rooting for him. We root for who we want to root for.

Nobody pushed this obligation angle more than Chris Fowler on ESPN, and I don't think it has any merit or makes any sense.
Agreed. ESPN were trying to force us to cheer for Joker because he's chasing history. Also because they had no one else to latch themselves on to. ESPN are culprits of this as well, they never embraced him in the same fashion as Fedal. No one really did. But for them to do a 180 and act like it's our duty to like him now is ridiculous. They never did and the only reason they wanted us to do so was because the real draws (Fed, Nadal, defending champ Thiem) weren't there and none of the next gen have really marked their stamp on men's tennis just yet. So they needed to ride on the back of Joker's success and do an about face.
 

Rickenbacker4003

Hall of Fame
Medvedev's serve was very accurate. Many free points with wide and T aces.
Novak's serve was weak. 2nd serve was 80 mph. Unacceptable for a GOAT 20.
Novak played it too safe. He only started hitting hard at the very end.
Novak sliced too many BHs. Too passive.
Med's serve magic wore off by the end. Saved by the bell.
Med wasn't saved by nothing. He was clearly better from beginning to end. If the awful crowd didn't intervene, Med would've shut him down 4, 4 and 2.
 
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mike danny

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It can happen after all the previous few contenders for GOAT were crushed in straight sets. Sampras 7-6 6-1 6-1 by Hewitt. Fed several times by Nadal


Lol he gets outplayed in one match and suddenly he has been found out. I am sure i heard the same thing when Rafa hammered him in 2020 and we all know what happened next
Fed only lost twice to Nadal in straights...
 

Vamos Rafa Nadal

Hall of Fame
Gill Gross's youtube channel video analysis of the match is up and it is great. Gill has taught me a great deal about tennis and helped me to move out of who I want to see win and understand why a player can win. He has taught me a great deal since I have been watching him the past few months. I played tennis in high school and college and won many matches and tournaments but I was never good with analysis of my matches. Wish I had someone like Gill to teach me back then!
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
There's a great Gilles Simon quote in l'Equipe regarding Daniil Medvedev. It's paywalled, and I have no idea how this facebook translation is, to be frank it's a tad bit uneven, but here goes:

In, the newspaper tennis player Gilles Simon, outstanding tactician, decrypts the game of Daniil Medvedev, winner at the US Open against Nowak Djokovic. I strongly encourage you to read this exciting analysis. To return to Caesar, what belongs to Caesar, let's also remember that Fabrice Sbarro is the tactician of the team of Medvedev coach Gilles Cervara.
Admiring Daniil Medvedev, Gilles Simon decorates what makes the strength and specificity of his game.

1. Technique: ′′ His ball turns the other way ′′
Daniil's ball is special. Her specificity is that she stays very low. Because she's very flat or turning the other way. Normally a bullet always happens to you a little lifted. Hers, when she's up, turns the other way, i.e. like a chip. Very few players can do this. Even if ′′ Manna ′′ (Adrian Mannarino) or I are getting closer, Kukushkin was the first to play like this: his long-term setback is almost a chip, but it happens to you very quickly.
In defense, this low ball gives Daniil time because it flies in the air long. The difficulty comes from the fact that he always forces you, whatever the side, to play under the net. Even by far he makes his ball fly but it stays low. It's hard to commit to a ball like this, who dives and doesn't bounce. This is how he slows the game down and that's why he can play far (behind the bottom line). Afterwards, he also has that ability to expedite. If not, playing two an hour he would get eaten. ′′

Game: ′′ A mix of attack-defense that makes it strong ′′
′′ His game is disturbing for two reasons. Firstly because fewer and fewer of us are doing it. Then because surfaces go against this type of game. Today all surfaces bounce back a lot. So the lads strike with all their might and deliver balls that squirt. Before, on indoor fast, all Czechs used to play like this. Stepanek was kinda that idea: he wasn't looking to hit hard, he just wanted his ball to stay low and fuse. For these reasons Daniil is very strong on hard and less on hard ground.
On hard, there's a great balance in his game. He can be defensive, play from afar, play a lot. At the same time, since he's very tall, he has a great service that offers him quite a few free points. It's this attack-defense mix that makes it strong. He controls extremely well in defense, he's very good on pretty simple attack patterns, like the second time after service. He flips everything with foot arms, he has a very good hand to slip your passing that kills. Upon arrival, it's complicated! ′′

Style: ′′ He plays the way he feels ′′
′′ He has a special technique, especially in his end of the reverse gesture. The moment he hit the ball, he goes a little below and he ' carry it. What I like is that his style of play doesn't match his physique. Normally guys like him serve hard, hit hard and don't run. He's feet tall and running everywhere! His technique matches who he is: he plays as he feels. His technique, he doesn't care! What he wants is to put the ball at a spot on the pitch and at a certain speed. Period. With his technique, he can only do what he does but he does it so well that he is world number 2 He has a lot of solutions against many players. For example, he doesn't like to hit a straight stroke at shoulder height, well he manages to beat it to the height that suits him. That's enough to be a monster
In fact, he understood everything: he adapted his technique to what he wants to do. ' ' Okay, I'm 2 m but I want to play two feet behind it. ′′ Ou Ok I'm 2 m but I feel like doing sixty strikes That's what everyone should do! He is not permeable to dogma, he possesses a great strength of character. ′′

2. Tactic: ′′ He understands what will happen in advance ′′
′′ He's an interesting player and I quickly got affection for him and his style of play He is extremely smart and he understands everything. He's actually a chess player: he understands what's going to happen in advance. In his surroundings, no one is going to **** him on the tactics. He's the one dealing with this, he sees everything better than anyone. That's not where you're going to make it progress.
People took a while to understand his style of play because they are not used to it. For the players, it's different. When you faced it once, you understood! He's a ****ing genius! I also like his game because when he speeds up it's not brutal it's not violent. It's only a timing business, not brute force. He's not in the logic of 90 % of guys, caresses the ball. He is an authentic player. It's a unique path, which is hers. This is what I respect above all else. ′′
Source: Original is l'Equipe, but this on Facebook from that original piece
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Med slapped Joker all over the court, it was a total beat down. Joker only had to play one real player before the final which was Zev. Joker looked like anything but a goat, he was lost out there because Med gave him some of his own medicine. He got everything back and kept mistakes low and benefitted off Jokers errors, and of course he served well also.
 

Vamos Rafa Nadal

Hall of Fame
When people were dreaming of Djokovic's CYGS happening on Sunday one of the many things that I considered beyond stats of the tournament and the summer season favoring Medvedev was another intangible - the USO is the tournament with the most different GS winners: since 2009 del Potro, Murray, Cilic, Wawrinka, Thiem, Medvedev, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic (and now Medvedev) have won the USO. Also that Djokovic had a 3-5 record going in to Sunday's match (now it 3-6) - this is one of his two losing record slams (French Open is the other).
 
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paolo2143

Semi-Pro
Med slapped Joker all over the court, it was a total beat down. Joker only had to play one real player before the final which was Zev. Joker looked like anything but a goat, he was lost out there because Med gave him some of his own medicine. He got everything back and kept mistakes low and benefitted off Jokers errors, and of course he served well also.
At times even the GOAT has an off day. As many have said i suspect the sheer pressure of the enormity of achievement made Novak tight. The only male tennis player alive who can have an inkling of the pressure Novak has faced is Rod Laver. As Rafa and Roger have never even made it half way to CGS they certainly don't.
 

Picmun

Hall of Fame
At times even the GOAT has an off day. As many have said i suspect the sheer pressure of the enormity of achievement made Novak tight. The only male tennis player alive who can have an inkling of the pressure Novak has faced is Rod Laver. As Rafa and Roger have never even made it half way to CGS they certainly don't.
Yep the "Worlds Mightiest Warrior" folded like a cheap suit in face of a little "pressure" - absolutely !
Could not even beat a next gen "bum" like "Madlad", who he'd "destroyed" recently
TTW BS at it's very very finest....

Above "The Worlds Mightiest Warrior" feeling the "pressure" @Hitman ;-)
Now, not so mighty, just "upset". LOL ! :)
 
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Picmun

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At times even the GOAT has an off day. As many have said i suspect the sheer pressure of the enormity of achievement made Novak tight. The only male tennis player alive who can have an inkling of the pressure Novak has faced is Rod Laver. As Rafa and Roger have never even made it half way to CGS they certainly don't.
Yep, "off day" ..... ROTFLMAO !

 

Vamos Rafa Nadal

Hall of Fame
At times even the GOAT has an off day. As many have said i suspect the sheer pressure of the enormity of achievement made Novak tight. The only male tennis player alive who can have an inkling of the pressure Novak has faced is Rod Laver. As Rafa and Roger have never even made it half way to CGS they certainly don't.
It was more than an off day - it was off tournament. Yes, he made it to the final but he did so playing subpar tennis. He lucked out that Zverev has still not solved his mental lapses issues. It is also true that Medvedev had an AMAZING tournament, and that was the actual crucial difference in the outcome.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Yes, I made a mistake - Federer hasn't won since 2008! I didn't look at my chart and just assumed he had won one since 2009! So strange that Federer won an amazing five times in a row and then he never won it again!
Federer winning RG more recently than the USO is going to go down as one of the weirdest quirks of his career.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
Yes, I made a mistake - Federer hasn't won since 2008! I didn't look at my chart and just assumed he had won one since 2009! So strange that Federer won an amazing five times in a row and then he never won it again!
And the us open court fits his game so well. A huge shame that he never won it again. For someone with a trophy cabinet the size of his, he has a lot of ones that got away as well
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
Yes, I made a mistake - Federer hasn't won since 2008! I didn't look at my chart and just assumed he had won one since 2009! So strange that Federer won an amazing five times in a row and then he never won it again!
It’s actually a very common pattern for a player to win a grand slam event several times in a row and then never win it again.

It’s because when your age arc peaks, and you are the best in the world on that surface in those conditions, with Bof5 there is a very good chance that you will win the tournament.

The US Open is a bit unique compared to other slams in that it always features warm and humid conditions from start to finish, along with in most years a fast surface. And historically, there has often been a guy that capitalized with a game suited for the conditions.

Peak Fed won 5 US opens in a row 2003-2008 before he lost a step

Peak Sampras won the US Open twice in a row at his peak, and only injury in 94 kept him from winning 4 straight.

Peak Rafter was a back-to-back champ in 97-98, no fluke.

Peak Edberg was back-to-back champ in 91-92, deservedly.

Peak Lendl won 3 in a row and never won again after he lost a step.

McEnroe won 3 in a row in wood era, and didn’t win again until his dominant 84 year after he switched to graphite.
 
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