2021 US Open QF: [1] Novak Djokovic vs [6] Matteo Berrettini
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
The way he just handed Novak the match in the 2nd was kinda shameful. Just completely went away.
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
It's amazing that Berrettini has a supplemental 'mental coach' yet hasn't bothered to learn to hit a backhand.
uscwang
Hall of Fame
How far away? Against two/three players whom he has never lost to in GS?
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
You planning on being there in person too?So just gonna forget me huh?
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
beard
Legend
You should have in mind that Medvedev, Zverev, and Berrettini are much better players than two years ago...
And yeah, Zed lost so Rafa played Shortman...
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Kinda.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
In general they're better, but they haven't taken massive leaps in their games that people like to pretend they have. Berrettini played worse overall this USO compared to 2019. Medvedev made the F of every major NA HC tournament in 2019, beat Joker from a set down in Cincy, and made it through a tougher draw than what he's faced now. Shortsman beat Zedrot meaning he was playing at a higher level and was a better/tougher player that tournament. The bottom line is if you're going to try and pump up Joker's draw this year, then you have to be consistent and do the same for RAFA's 2019 drawYou should have in mind that Medvedev, Zverev, and Berrettini are much better players than two years ago...
And yeah, Zed lost so Rafa played Shortman...
beard
Legend
Well, it's hard to compare how better they are, but I think much better... Shortsman beating Zed can give you a clue...In general they're better, but they haven't taken massive leaps in their games that people like to pretend they have. Berrettini played worse overall this USO compared to 2019. Medvedev made the F of every major NA HC tournament in 2019, beat Joker from a set down in Cincy, and made it through a tougher draw than what he's faced now. Shortsman beat Zedrot meaning he was playing at a higher level and was a better/tougher player that tournament. The bottom line is if you're going to try and pump up Joker's draw this year, then you have to be consistent and do the same for RAFA's 2019 draw
Rafas draw in 2019 is not even comparable (if Novak play Z-M), just try to be objective... And another thing is that Novak's level is so great that he makes his opponents seem weak... Must go now, all good...
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Translation you can't think of anything because they haven't improved much, if at all.Well, it's hard to compare how better they are, but I think much better... Shortsman beating Zed can give you a clue...
Rafas draw in 2019 is not even comparable (if Novak play Z-M), just try to be objective... And another thing is that Novak's level is so great that he makes his opponents seem weak... Must go now, all good...
RAFA's early round matches were tougher than Joker's...and he beat them easier than Joker beat his. Hell, Joker hadn't faced a single top 50 player until he played Berry tonight. If anyone is being unobjective it's you. RAFA literally played one of the guys you keep hyping up in Medvedev (Joker's not even guaranteed to play him), and he went through tougher opponents in 2019. As far as Joker making his opponents look bad it's the opposite. He's made then look better than they are due to his mental walkabouts
SecondToNone
Semi-Pro
Walkover bery bery tough , no?
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
As if Kokkinakis would have been able to do anything against RAFA
Joker on the other hand might donate him a set like he did with Brooksby
beard
Legend
I gave you chance to leave discussion, but you keep proving your umbeleable bias...Translation you can't think of anything because they haven't improved much, if at all.
RAFA's early round matches were tougher than Joker's...and he beat them easier than Joker beat his. Hell, Joker hadn't faced a single top 50 player until he played Berry tonight. If anyone is being unobjective it's you. RAFA literally played one of the guys you keep hyping up in Medvedev (Joker's not even guaranteed to play him), and he went through tougher opponents in 2019. As far as Joker making his opponents look bad it's the opposite. He's made then look better than they are due to his mental walkabouts
Everyone, and I mean everyone knows how lucky was Nadals draw, people don't make jokes about it for years now for nothing... Lol...
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
This coming from the ******** that spends most of his time trolling Fedal
You and goons just like you were calling it the Berrerttini Open non-stop. Now that Joker is in the same boat you want to move the goal posts to pump up his competition. Berry was literally the 1st TOP 50 player Joker as faced yet, and he looked like a rec player hitting UFE after UFE into the net. If people made jokes about RAFA's 2019 draw for years, then get ready to hear jokes about Joker's draw for the next decade
SecondToNone
Semi-Pro
Ah ok, there's no point arguing with you.As if Kokkinakis would have been able to do anything against RAFA
Bubcay
Legend
Well, neither Rafa nor Novak could influence what draw they have got, so why arguing about it. The top 104 players at the time entered the tournament and whoever they played was the best at that point in time. They are both legends (and Roger of course) so let's just enjoy the tennisThis coming from the ******** that spends most of his time trolling Fedal
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
I mean Joker has been dropping sets to guys outside the top 50 making them look better than they are.
SecondToNone
Semi-Pro
And yet Nadal can win just one in 8 years, curious
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Hey man I was minding my own business when a ******** made a Berrettini Open reference...while Joker was playing a worse version of Berrettini. The only reason I brought up draws is because Joker and 2019 RAFA have basically the same draw as far as potential QF-F opponents. Yet they’re trying to pump up Joker’s draw after making fun of basically the same draw in 2019.Well, neither Rafa nor Novak could influence what draw they have got, so why arguing about it. The top 104 players at the time entered the tournament and whoever they played was the best at that point in time. They are both legends (and Roger of course) so let's just enjoy the tennis
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
2017 and 2019 aren’t in the last 8 yearsAnd yet Nadal can win just one in 8 years, curious
#maph
SecondToNone
Semi-Pro
Djokovic dropped sets to Nadal on hard court in 2017 and 2019?2017 and 2019 aren’t in the last 8 years
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Yes, because that has everything to do with comparing the draws they’ve faced in the respective USO’s that we are talking about
You were right about one thing, there’s no point in arguing with you.
SecondToNone
Semi-Pro
It doesn't and I didn't claim that. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that Novak has been losing sets to the guys outside the top 50 but Nadal can't just win one.Yes, because that has everything to do with comparing the draws they’ve faced in the respective USO’s that we are talking about
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Gotcha, so it was just a cop out. Well, let's add some context. In 2015-2016 RAFA was in the worst slump of his career. During that period Joker was arguably at his best. I'd argue he was at his best in 2011, but it's nitpicking. In that timeframe, they played 4x on HC which of course Joker won. Then when Joker was going through his biggest slump in mid/late-2016-mid-2018, he was nowhere to be found for the most part. RAFA was courteous enough to make it to Joker and lost to him 7x in that 2 year span. When Joker was in bad form he only made it RAFA 2x and both times were on clay. Since then, they've only played on HC 2x one of which RAFA played the worst GS F of his career. Doesn't sound as impressive when you take the time to break it down.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
No need to refer to Pyrrhus of Epirus to describe winning a battle but losing a war. The 77-minute epic first set made it chalk the rest of the way. Empty partial victories will now be known as Berrettinis.
Still, that first set was high octane stuff by both players. Good to see two opponents going for shots so often.
Still, that first set was high octane stuff by both players. Good to see two opponents going for shots so often.
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
LOL. Next.
racquetreligion
Hall of Fame
I watched Gonzo every year at the AO and probably not as heavy as on the clay courts
but playing 18yo Juan many years back Juan ran out of air otherwise he blasted his FH
harder and hit more winners on that side than Gonzo.
It blew us away specially the running crosscourt FH from Juan was corner to corner the
fastest FH we ever witnessed. Many years later Juan lost by stubbornly challenging Chardy
whos FH was a better than ever as agreed by Santoro who sat next to us.
The problem with many players with such weapons is that they take a while to warm up
and sometimes they dont show up at all or in Juans case surgery and technique changes.
Gonzo destroyed the senior tour with his FH as soon as he joined, albeit a bit young but
he has aged very quickly after retiring and like Tsonga both had their moments at the AO
where they could have won if Federer was not in their way.
Not many players destroyed Nadal so easily as Tsonga and Gonzo have at the AO and
looking at Gonzos round the world wind up was always a treat before he crushed it.
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