2021 US Open QF: [1] Novak Djokovic vs [6] Matteo Berrettini

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beard

Legend
Don’t be so hatred...yeah I’m good man. In 2019 had Zedrot not lost to Shortsman RAFA would have played the exact same last 3 players as Joker most likely will. Just switch Zedrot and Berry in the QF-SF matches and it’s a mirror image.
You should have in mind that Medvedev, Zverev, and Berrettini are much better players than two years ago... ;)
And yeah, Zed lost so Rafa played Shortman...
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Third straight 4 set loss for Berrettini at the hands of Djokovic in the Slams this season (QF at RG, F at W, QF at USO).

Become kinda predictable hasn't it?
 
You should have in mind that Medvedev, Zverev, and Berrettini are much better players than two years ago... ;)
And yeah, Zed lost so Rafa played Shortman...
In general they're better, but they haven't taken massive leaps in their games that people like to pretend they have. Berrettini played worse overall this USO compared to 2019. Medvedev made the F of every major NA HC tournament in 2019, beat Joker from a set down in Cincy, and made it through a tougher draw than what he's faced now. Shortsman beat Zedrot meaning he was playing at a higher level and was a better/tougher player that tournament. The bottom line is if you're going to try and pump up Joker's draw this year, then you have to be consistent and do the same for RAFA's 2019 draw ;)
 

beard

Legend
In general they're better, but they haven't taken massive leaps in their games that people like to pretend they have. Berrettini played worse overall this USO compared to 2019. Medvedev made the F of every major NA HC tournament in 2019, beat Joker from a set down in Cincy, and made it through a tougher draw than what he's faced now. Shortsman beat Zedrot meaning he was playing at a higher level and was a better/tougher player that tournament. The bottom line is if you're going to try and pump up Joker's draw this year, then you have to be consistent and do the same for RAFA's 2019 draw ;)
Well, it's hard to compare how better they are, but I think much better... Shortsman beating Zed can give you a clue... ;)

Rafas draw in 2019 is not even comparable (if Novak play Z-M), just try to be objective... And another thing is that Novak's level is so great that he makes his opponents seem weak... Must go now, all good...
 
Well, it's hard to compare how better they are, but I think much better... Shortsman beating Zed can give you a clue... ;)

Rafas draw in 2019 is not even comparable (if Novak play Z-M), just try to be objective... And another thing is that Novak's level is so great that he makes his opponents seem weak... Must go now, all good...
Translation you can't think of anything because they haven't improved much, if at all.

RAFA's early round matches were tougher than Joker's...and he beat them easier than Joker beat his. Hell, Joker hadn't faced a single top 50 player until he played Berry tonight. If anyone is being unobjective it's you. RAFA literally played one of the guys you keep hyping up in Medvedev (Joker's not even guaranteed to play him), and he went through tougher opponents in 2019. As far as Joker making his opponents look bad it's the opposite. He's made then look better than they are due to his mental walkabouts ;)
 

beard

Legend
Translation you can't think of anything because they haven't improved much, if at all.

RAFA's early round matches were tougher than Joker's...and he beat them easier than Joker beat his. Hell, Joker hadn't faced a single top 50 player until he played Berry tonight. If anyone is being unobjective it's you. RAFA literally played one of the guys you keep hyping up in Medvedev (Joker's not even guaranteed to play him), and he went through tougher opponents in 2019. As far as Joker making his opponents look bad it's the opposite. He's made then look better than they are due to his mental walkabouts ;)
I gave you chance to leave discussion, but you keep proving your umbeleable bias...
Everyone, and I mean everyone knows how lucky was Nadals draw, people don't make jokes about it for years now for nothing... Lol...
 
I gave you chance to leave discussion, but you keep proving your umbeleable bias...
Everyone, and I mean everyone knows how lucky was Nadals draw, people don't make jokes about it for years now for nothing... Lol...
This coming from the Djokobot that spends most of his time trolling Fedal :rolleyes: You and goons just like you were calling it the Berrerttini Open non-stop. Now that Joker is in the same boat you want to move the goal posts to pump up his competition. Berry was literally the 1st TOP 50 player Joker as faced yet, and he looked like a rec player hitting UFE after UFE into the net. If people made jokes about RAFA's 2019 draw for years, then get ready to hear jokes about Joker's draw for the next decade :whistle:
 

Bubcay

Hall of Fame
This coming from the Djokobot that spends most of his time trolling Fedal :rolleyes: You and goons just like you were calling it the Berrerttini Open non-stop. Now that Joker is in the same boat you want to move the goal posts to pump up his competition. Berry was literally the 1st TOP 50 player Joker as faced yet, and he looked like a rec player hitting UFE after UFE into the net. If people made jokes about RAFA's 2019 draw for years, then get ready to hear jokes about Joker's draw for the next decade :whistle:
Well, neither Rafa nor Novak could influence what draw they have got, so why arguing about it. The top 104 players at the time entered the tournament and whoever they played was the best at that point in time. They are both legends (and Roger of course) so let's just enjoy the tennis ;)
 
Well, neither Rafa nor Novak could influence what draw they have got, so why arguing about it. The top 104 players at the time entered the tournament and whoever they played was the best at that point in time. They are both legends (and Roger of course) so let's just enjoy the tennis ;)
Hey man I was minding my own business when a Djokobot made a Berrettini Open reference...while Joker was playing a worse version of Berrettini. The only reason I brought up draws is because Joker and 2019 RAFA have basically the same draw as far as potential QF-F opponents. Yet they’re trying to pump up Joker’s draw after making fun of basically the same draw in 2019.
 

SecondToNone

Semi-Pro
Yes, because that has everything to do with comparing the draws they’ve faced in the respective USO’s that we are talking about :rolleyes:
It doesn't and I didn't claim that. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that Novak has been losing sets to the guys outside the top 50 but Nadal can't just win one.
 
It doesn't and I didn't claim that. I just can't wrap my head around that Novak has been losing sets to guys outside the top 50 but Nadal can't just win one.
Gotcha, so it was just a cop out. Well, let's add some context. In 2015-2016 RAFA was in the worst slump of his career. During that period Joker was arguably at his best. I'd argue he was at his best in 2011, but it's nitpicking. In that timeframe, they played 4x on HC which of course Joker won. Then when Joker was going through his biggest slump in mid/late-2016-mid-2018, he was nowhere to be found for the most part. RAFA was courteous enough to make it to Joker and lost to him 7x in that 2 year span. When Joker was in bad form he only made it RAFA 2x and both times were on clay. Since then, they've only played on HC 2x one of which RAFA played the worst GS F of his career. Doesn't sound as impressive when you take the time to break it down.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
No need to refer to Pyrrhus of Epirus to describe winning a battle but losing a war. The 77-minute epic first set made it chalk the rest of the way. Empty partial victories will now be known as Berrettinis.

Still, that first set was high octane stuff by both players. Good to see two opponents going for shots so often.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Feña's FH was very flashy, but also was much heavier than Matteo's and Juan's. Trust me, I've seen González thrice in Chile and it was so powerful and heavy that I just didn't know what to think.
But yeah, Delpo's FH is much more lethal because of how high percentage he hit, and if you go back to 2007-2008, you could say that current del Potro's forehand is learned, not natural.
I watched Gonzo every year at the AO and probably not as heavy as on the clay courts
but playing 18yo Juan many years back Juan ran out of air otherwise he blasted his FH
harder and hit more winners on that side than Gonzo.
It blew us away specially the running crosscourt FH from Juan was corner to corner the
fastest FH we ever witnessed. Many years later Juan lost by stubbornly challenging Chardy
whos FH was a better than ever as agreed by Santoro who sat next to us.
The problem with many players with such weapons is that they take a while to warm up
and sometimes they dont show up at all or in Juans case surgery and technique changes.
Gonzo destroyed the senior tour with his FH as soon as he joined, albeit a bit young but
he has aged very quickly after retiring and like Tsonga both had their moments at the AO
where they could have won if Federer was not in their way.
Not many players destroyed Nadal so easily as Tsonga and Gonzo have at the AO and
looking at Gonzos round the world wind up was always a treat before he crushed it.
 
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