2021 US Open Women's Final: [Q] Emma Raducanu (GBR) vs Leylah Annie Fernandez (CAN)

Who will be the 2021 US Open Women's Champion?

  • Fernandez in 2

    Votes: 5 3.8%
  • Fernandez in 3

    Votes: 42 31.6%
  • Raducanu in 3

    Votes: 29 21.8%
  • Raducanu in 2

    Votes: 57 42.9%

  • Total voters
    133
  • Poll closed .

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
Erm, what? Her coach admitted he was coaching right after the Osaka-match. Whether she saw it or not or wanted coaching or not, has no bearing on the warning. She's "responsible" for his actions.
Read the rule.

"Players shall not receive coaching during a match (including warm up) with the exception of the allowed coaching breaks as defined in the On-Court Coaching Requests - Section XVII.H.3. Communication of any kind, audible or visible, between a Player and a coach may be construed as coaching"

As a former coach, it was on me to know these rules. Serena wasn't active in any communication. Don't be stubborn.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
Read the rule.

"Players shall not receive coaching during a match (including warm up) with the exception of the allowed coaching breaks as defined in the On-Court Coaching Requests - Section XVII.H.3. Communication of any kind, audible or visible, between a Player and a coach may be construed as coaching"

As a former coach, it was on me to know these rules. Serena wasn't active in any communication. Don't be stubborn.
I wasn't aware of that distinction. And tbh, I'm not quite sure whether to interpret it as strictly, as you do - i.e. that the player has to be active in the communication as well. Every single umpire I've heard speak out on this, didn't question the umpire's call.
Moreoever, if the umpire deemed that Serena saw PM coach, then the warning is fair - regardless of how to interpret between.
 
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Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
I wasn't aware of that distinction. And tbh, I'm not quite sure whether to interpret it as strictly, as you do - i.e. that the player has to be active in the communication as well. Every single umpire I've heard speak out on this, didn't question the umpire's call.
Moreoever, if the umpire deemed that Serena saw PM coach, then the warning is fair - regardless of how to interpret between.
If the rule is to be changed to be more general, that's what should happen. The same applies to any legislative laws. Otherwise, the umpire's failing at their job, which this one did. Knowing Serena's history with this tournament, I don't doubt that he was trying to stir trouble. I've seen outbursts much, much worse than that coaching signal, which never resulted in a violation.

Battles need to be chosen. Umpires are generally advised to let the player know what's going on before making an official announcement. If nothing else, he was foolish in the moment and showed a lack of experience/laziness, which shouldn't be the case by his standards.
 

capeman

New User
I am not the only one who felt the commentators' talkings are mostly useless and sometimes annoying. I just turned the volume very low. At the beginning of yesterday's match, Chris Evert said the match result depends on who of the two wants it more. Total BS. If the player was thinking "I want it so bad" on the court, very likely she would lose concentration and the match. As a former pro, she should know better.
 

capeman

New User
Some folks brought Serena Williams to this thread but did not get the facts straight.

The foot fault incident was 2009 US Open final against Clijsters. After the call, Serena started cursing and threatened to "shove the f**king ball down the throat" of the lines judge. That was the moment I lost any respect to her. It was fun to watch the Vinci, Pliskova, Osaka defeat in recent years.

In the US Open final against Osaka, Serena first received a warning for racquet abuse. Afterwards a second warning for coaching, then the drama escalated. During the ceremony Osaka was crying maybe because the audience was terrible. I felt then the USTA head Katrina was very disrepectful because she could stop praising Serena Williams despite the bad behaviors moments ago.
 
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Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
Some folks brought Serena Williams to this thread but did not get the facts straight.

The foot fault incident was 2009 US Open final against Clijsters. After the call, Serena started cursing and threatened to "shove the f**king ball down the throat" of the lines judge. That was the moment I lost any respect to her. It was fun to watch the Vinci, Pliskova, Osaka defeat in recent years.

In the US Open final against Osaka, Serena first received a warning for racquet abuse. Afterwards a second warning for coaching, then the drama escalated. During the ceremony Osaka was crying maybe because the audience was terrible. I felt then the USTA head Katrina was very disrepectful because she could stop praising Serena Williams despite the bad behaviors moments ago.
Nothing you're saying is related to what I said. I wasn't narrating a timeline. I was telling the guy she specifically wasn't violating any of the rules in which the immediate calls were made against her. You people make the simplest things much harder than they should ever need to be.
 

capeman

New User
Nothing you're saying is related to what I said. I wasn't narrating a timeline. I was telling the guy she specifically wasn't violating any of the rules in which the immediate calls were made against her. You people make the simplest things much harder than they should ever need to be.
Nothing you said matters. We could not care less. There are lines judges, chair umpire, event officials, WTA officials, and there are facts people saw.
 

Diminic D'Coco

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just swung by to say it was very good that Fernandez lost. she rubs me the wrong way so much i would dare to say she is even worse than Osaka
 

ScottleeSV

Professional
In the US Open final against Osaka, Serena first received a warning for racquet abuse. Afterwards a second warning for coaching, then the drama escalated. During the ceremony Osaka was crying maybe because the audience was terrible. I felt then the USTA head Katrina was very disrepectful because she could stop praising Serena Williams despite the bad behaviors moments ago.
They really dropped the ball after the Stosur final; fining her instead of banning her. In at least 3 matches I can think of at the US Open she's behaved like a spoilt brat (Clijsters, Stosur, Osaka) yet they protect her as if she owns the place.

You have to wonder if what happened to Osaka that night contributed to her eventual issues. Imagine having to look back on THAT as your first slam win. The magical way Raducanu got to celebrate last night; that's how it should be for a first time winner.
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
Another little data point that came up in Emma's presser: Wimbledon came right after her school exams. She had only 3 weeks to practice and prepare.

I hope the "star" life doesn't ruin her. Being 18 years old and suddenly having tens of millions of dollars, being on magazine covers, no public privacy, constant security and bodyguards, etc. etc. This success comes at the cost of any chance of a remotely normal life. Good luck, Emma.
Emma seems pretty grounded! I doubt her parents and those close to her will let her loose her focus on life!
 
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tin

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Emma seems pretty grounded! I doubt her parents and those close to her will let her loose her focus on life!
Also, historically, in terms of tennis pros, I feel being pretty is a liability - e.g. Ivanovic, Hantuchova, Kournikova? The most successful we've seen is maybe Sharapova? Hoping it doesn't get to her.
 

moonballs

Hall of Fame
now compare the maturity of 18 YO Emma to that trash-drama queen "oh i suffer so much" Osaka
This is really unfair to Osaka. First of all, as tennis fans the pros' on-court behavior should be out primary focus. Osaka's on-court behavior is stellar. Second, her depression could be an actual mental health issue. She definitely disappointed the tennis fans but she is the one suffered most from the issue.
 

Beacon Hill

Hall of Fame
Some folks brought Serena Williams to this thread but did not get the facts straight.

The foot fault incident was 2009 US Open final against Clijsters. After the call, Serena started cursing and threatened to "shove the f**king ball down the throat" of the lines judge. That was the moment I lost any respect to her. It was fun to watch the Vinci, Pliskova, Osaka defeat in recent years.

In the US Open final against Osaka, Serena first received a warning for racquet abuse. Afterwards a second warning for coaching, then the drama escalated. During the ceremony Osaka was crying maybe because the audience was terrible. I felt then the USTA head Katrina was very disrepectful because she could stop praising Serena Williams despite the bad behaviors moments ago.
You list the order of events incorrectly. First was the coaching violation, which resulted in a warning. Second was the racquet abuse violation, which resulted in a point penalty. Third was the unsportsmanlike conduct violation related tor comments directed to the chair umpire, which resulted in a game penalty.

Incidentally, after the first violation, Serena politely said to the chair umpire: " "If he gives me a thumbs up, he's telling me to come on. We don't have any code and I know you don't know that, and I understand why you may have thought that was coaching, but I'm telling you it's not. I don't cheat to win. I'd rather lose." Her comment to the chair umpire, though in contrast with what her coach said in an interview after the match, indicated Serena knew about and accepted the first code violation, even if she didn't agree with it. That's why it makes little sense that Serena was surprised to get a point penalty for her second code violation. She certainly could not claim she didn't know about the first violation because she immediately addressed it.
 
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Diminic D'Coco

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This is really unfair to Osaka. First of all, as tennis fans the pros' on-court behavior should be out primary focus. Osaka's on-court behavior is stellar. Second, her depression could be an actual mental health issue. She definitely disappointed the tennis fans but she is the one suffered most from the issue.
yes. and as a consolation prize she went to the olympics and light up the Flame, then off to the Met gala to booster her anti-depression posology for good measure!
 
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