2021 Wimbledon Final: [1] Novak Djokovic SRB vs [7] Matteo Berrettini ITA

Who will win?

  • Djokovic 3-0

    Votes: 57 33.9%
  • Djokovic 3-1

    Votes: 57 33.9%
  • Djokovic 3-2

    Votes: 12 7.1%
  • Berrettini 3-2

    Votes: 15 8.9%
  • Berrettini 3-1

    Votes: 18 10.7%
  • Berrettini 3-0

    Votes: 9 5.4%
  • foobar

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    168

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
You mean YOU don't care about the other stuff? I wonder what you will not care about when Novak has 21 slams and Fed and Rafa have 20?

Yes, I don’t care about the other stuff. I need GOAT‘s to win with an attacking style, not what Djokovic did today, keeping it in play to let the attacking player choke. Not all about stats for me. That’s ok with you, right?

All that said, amazing achievement by Novak today. If he claims the USO he will be the most successful player there’s ever been in slams. That’s what I know.
 

Rago

Hall of Fame
Makes me wish it was straights.
I definitely was hoping for a straight set win/clinic from Djokovic as well. That would have made for an exhibition to put the mug out of his misery rather quickly.

I voted Djokovic in 4 since I wasn't sure about his level; this has to be one of the worst finals to watch.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Yes, I don’t care about the other stuff. I need GOAT‘s to win with an attacking style, not what Djokovic did today, keeping it in play to let the attacking player choke. Not all about stats for me. That’s ok with you, right?

All that said, amazing achievement by Novak today. If he claims the USO he will be the most successful player there’s ever been in slams. That’s what I know.

Djokovic went to the net 48 times today and won 71% of those points, which was 9 more net approaches than Berrettini. That is considered attacking tennis. Just because he is not blasting 105 mph forehands on every other shot does not mean he wasn't attacking. For one thing, he has way more pressure and his forehand was misfiring today so why should start blasting forehands where he would be missing and make a ton of errors just so he can be considered by you to be playing "an attacking style"? I really don't think a lot of you understand the game.
 

Mivic

Hall of Fame
Without a doubt this has to be Djokovic's worst slam winning level. He would have been eating bakery products aplenty if even 2019 Federer was on the other side of the net today in my personal opinion. Glad he got the job done though and relieved that the rest of the year is being played on HC where he appears to be far more comfortable at this stage of his career. He looked like a novice out there on the grass with his footwork at times during this tournament and it didn't help that his serve was misfiring for extended periods of time.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
I definitely was hoping for a straight set win/clinic from Djokovic as well. That would have made for an exhibition to put the mug out of his misery rather quickly.

I voted Djokovic in 4 since I wasn't sure about his level; this has to be one of the worst finals to watch.
It would at least prevent him from getting bonus kudos for playing a crap set.
 
Djokovic went to the net 48 times today and won 71% of those points, which was 9 more net approaches than Berrettini. That is considered attacking tennis. Just because he is not blasting 105 mph forehands on every other shot does not mean he wasn't attacking. For one thing, he has way more pressure and his forehand was misfiring today so why should start blasting forehands where he would be missing and make a ton of errors just so he can be considered by you to be playing "an attacking style"? I really don't think a lot of you understand the game.

1000%
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Kudos to Novak. I'm no Djokovic fan (fan of his tennis, but I don't really root for him), but he's done and has done incredible things and obviously he's just an outstanding player. 20-20-20 with a chance for the tie to be broken via a CYGS. Could you write a better script? I am SO looking forward to the USO. It's thrilling to think of him doing it, but it's also thrilling to think of him being stopped. It's sports - it will play itself out and either result will be monumental. The drama will be overwhelming. It will be great theater.

Clearly, he has the inside track for most Slams ever even if he doesn't win the CYSG.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Without a doubt this has to be Djokovic's worst slam winning level. He would have been eating bakery products aplenty if even 2019 Federer was on the other side of the net today in my personal opinion. Glad he got the job done though and relieved that the rest of the year is being played on HC where he appears to be far more comfortable at this stage of his career. He looked like a novice out there on the grass with his footwork at times during this tournament and it didn't help that his serve was misfiring for extended periods of time.

His worst Wimbledon winning level overall but he played a better final here than he did in 2019. No doubt about that.
 

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
Djokovic went to the net 48 times today and won 71% of those points, which was 9 more net approaches than Berrettini. That is considered attacking tennis. Just because he is not blasting 105 mph forehands on every other shot does not mean he wasn't attacking. For one thing, he has way more pressure and his forehand was misfiring today so why should start blasting forehands where he would be missing and make a ton of errors just so he can be considered by you to be playing "an attacking style"? I really don't think a lot of you understand the game.

How many winners today? I understand that coming to net can be considered aggressive, but it wasn’t in the context of this match and you know it. Berrettini had no backhand to speak of.
Djokovic was passive today. It got the job done.
I’m never gonna change your opinion, vice versa. I will always think GOAT (even if you think there is one) will be a personal choice, to a degree. No one‘s done enough to be completely clear at this point.
Enjoy Novak’s win, outstanding achievement.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Saw this on Facebook and immediately thought of today's match :-D

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Someone who makes a Wimbledon final and pockets 1.3 million dollars is a "loser?" :unsure:
 

Tennis Fan States63

Hall of Fame
Congratulations Novak Djokovic - 2021 Wimbledon Gentlemen's Singles Champion and 20th Grand Slam title. Edge of the knife tennis over much of the two weeks but only drops two sets and a deserving champion.

Hard fought match and similar to the SF with Shapovalov - Djokovic did what he had to do. Matteo Berrettini gave him all he could handle - hopefully he learns from the experience and can improve on his weaknesses.....he can be a consistent force with his talent if he takes it on, IMO.

US Open could be epic - a lot of storylines shaping up.
 

Mivic

Hall of Fame
His worst Wimbledon winning level overall but he played a better final here than he did in 2019. No doubt about that.
I might have to cool down and give it a rewatch at some stage but I was quite disappointed in Novak's level of play today when you take the level of opposition into account. I certainly don't think it was a significantly better performance than the 2019 final. Main thing is that one way or another he got the job done today though. There was a lot at stake so nerves and stretches of shaky play are more than understandable, especially at his age.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
How many winners today? I understand that coming to net can be considered aggressive, but it wasn’t in the context of this match and you know it. Berrettini had no backhand to speak of.
Djokovic was passive today. It got the job done.
I’m never gonna change your opinion, vice versa. I will always think GOAT (even if you think there is one) will be a personal choice, to a degree. No one‘s done enough to be completely clear at this point.
Enjoy Novak’s win, outstanding achievement.

Berrettini has a huge serve so his winners are coming from 1-2 punches. Djokovic does not have as big of a serve and his serve was off today again, like it has been most of the tournament. Therefore, he is not ahead enough in the points in his service games to hit clean winners because he's hitting too many 2nd serves, and not hitting his spots as well he usually does. That's where the big difference in winners comes from. He hit most of his winners probably from the net today so yes that is aggression. Also, just because you're not hitting many winners does not mean you are passive, and he was not passive today like he was in the Shapo match. He forced lots of errors off Berretini's racket with controlled aggression without having to play high risk. So you might not change your opinion but you may want to listen to alternate opinions so you learn more about the game.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
I might have to cool down and give it a rewatch at some stage but I was quite disappointed in Novak's level of play today when you take the level of opposition into account. I certainly don't think it was a significantly better performance than the 2019 final. Main thing is that one way or another he got the job done today though. There was a lot at stake so nerves and stretches of shaky play are more than understandable, especially at his age.

To me it was. You have to remember how bad he was in set 2 and set 4 in 2019.
 

Checkmate

Legend
Berrettini has a huge serve so his winners are coming from 1-2 punches. Djokovic does not have as big of a serve and his serve was off today again, like it has been most of the tournament. Therefore, he is not ahead enough in the points in his service games to hit clean winners because he's hitting too many 2nd serves, and not hitting his spots as well he usually does. That's where the big difference in winners comes from. He hit most of his winners probably from the net today so yes that is aggression. Also, just because you're not hitting many winners does not mean you are passive, and he was not passive today like he was in the Shapo match. He forced lots of errors off Berretini's racket with controlled aggression without having to play high risk. So you might not change your opinion but you may want to listen to alternate opinions so you learn more about the game.


Depth is the true aggression in tennis when one has to discipline himself because of the court dimensions.

His depth game was solid 6.75 out of 10 today.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
..and so, Djokovic won the Wimbledon title. The world of losers AKA the rest of the men's tour--will be trying hard to stop him from becoming a GOAT by winning the Grand Slam at the USO. This is the most enthralling, developing story on the men's side this century, and if Djokovic should win it, I can only imagine the tears, curses, excuses, revisionist history and goal post moving a fanbase of an active player (hint: its not Nadal's fanbase) will employ in a fruitless attempt to "deny" Djokovic of his rightful place as one of the sport's few GOAT players.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Depth is the true aggression in tennis when one has to discipline himself because of the court dimensions.

His depth game was solid 6.75 out of 10 today.

Yes indeed.

His depth today was the best it has been the entire tournament and that made a difference down the stretch. Good call but I would give it a 7.5 at least.
 

egrorian

Rookie
This wasn't vintage Djokovic but he was clearly the superior player. I thought Berrettini acquitted himself very well but his backhand is a definite glaring weakness.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
With his win at 2021 Wimbledon, Djokovic becomes:

1. One of only 3 men in the history of tennis to win 20 Slams (along with Federer and Nadal).
2. One of only 3 men in the Open Era to win at least 6 titles at Wimbledon (along with Sampras and Federer).
3. One of only 4 men in the Open Era to win 3 consecutive Wimbledon titles (along with Borg,Sampras and Federer).
4. One of only 5 men in the Open Era to complete the Channel Slam Double (along with Laver, Borg, Nadal and Federer)

Given that he is already the only man in the Open Era to win multiple titles at each of the 4 Slams, it could be argued that he has now surpassed both Federer (only 1 RG title) and Nadal (only 1 AO title) in the Slam stats.
 
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Checkmate

Legend
With his win at 2021 Wimbledon, Djokovic becomes:

1. One of only 3 players in the history of tennis to win 20 Slams (along with Federer and Nadal).
2. One of only 3 men in the Open Era to win at least 6 titles at Wimbledon (along with Sampras and Federer).
3. One of only 4 men in the Open Era to win 3 consecutive Wimbledon titles (along with Borg,Sampras and Federer).

Given that he is already the only man in the Open Era to win multiple titles at each of the 4 Slams, it could be argued that he has now surpassed both Federer (only 1 RG title) and Nadal (only 1 AO title) in the Slam stats.

Channel Slam combo, as well!
 

Tennis Fan States63

Hall of Fame
Yes indeed.

His depth today was the best it has been the entire tournament and that made a difference down the stretch. Good call but I would give it a 7.5 at least.

Agree from what I saw. Against Shapovalov, he was consistently between the service line and baseline a lot more with his shots....at least in the first two sets from what I recall.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Agree from what I saw. Against Shapovalov, he was consistently between the service line and baseline a lot more with his shots....at least in the first two sets from what I recall.

Yea. He also looked off balance a lot, often in rallies with Shapo and wasn't putting much on his shots. That's they way it looked to me.
 

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
Berrettini has a huge serve so his winners are coming from 1-2 punches. Djokovic does not have as big of a serve and his serve was off today again, like it has been most of the tournament. Therefore, he is not ahead enough in the points in his service games to hit clean winners because he's hitting too many 2nd serves, and not hitting his spots as well he usually does. That's where the big difference in winners comes from. He hit most of his winners probably from the net today so yes that is aggression. Also, just because you're not hitting many winners does not mean you are passive, and he was not passive today like he was in the Shapo match. He forced lots of errors off Berretini's racket with controlled aggression without having to play high risk. So you might not change your opinion but you may want to listen to alternate opinions so you learn more about the game.

He might not have been as passive as the Shapo match, but that would have been tough. Berrettini had strong points today but let’s not pretend he played great. He missed his fair share of first serves too, especially in the big moments. A lot of Berr’s errors today were not forced by Novak‘s aggression, in my opinion.

I’m sure we can both listen to alternative opinions and learn more about the game can’t we?

Anyway, congrats again to Novak and his fans on an excellent achievement.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Yet another disappointing performance from NewGen guy Berrettini bar the comeback in the 1st set.
Congrats to Djoko on 6th Wimbledon and 20th slam. Never needed to go beyond 2nd gear minus for some points.
 

Pandaman

Semi-Pro
I might have to cool down and give it a rewatch at some stage but I was quite disappointed in Novak's level of play today when you take the level of opposition into account. I certainly don't think it was a significantly better performance than the 2019 final. Main thing is that one way or another he got the job done today though. There was a lot at stake so nerves and stretches of shaky play are more than understandable, especially at his age.
No, you are right. I've been complaining about his level all tournament after Anderson match, where he appeared to peak (also no wind, roof closed, low ranked player, and poor mover in Anderson). The only point that impressed me was the one that got him the break point in the 4th set, 3-3. His poor BP conversion rate and penchancy to choke serving for sets or matches is becoming troublesome. I have several examples of the latter but the most recent and egregious ones were 3rd set TBD 5-4 serving vs Berry QF of FO, 3rd set vs Nadal 5-4, 30-0 at SF of FO, 5-4 40-30 third set vs Sissy FO '20, and Wimbledon '21 1st set 5-3 vs Berry.

He won Wimbledon with a far lower level than what he showed at latter stages of AO and FO. I'm not optimistic about USO but I'm just glad he got this one.

Edit: the more you gift sets to these young guys, the more belief you give them that they can hang. That's the thing I really respect about Nadal. He steps on your throat when you're down.
 

egrorian

Rookie
No. This Wimbledon represents a breakthrough for Berrettini, who has well and truly "arrived". He started nervously but played a fine match thereafter. Curiously though, he didn't appear particularly disappointed afterwards. If Berrettini can significantly improve his backhand he is surely a GS champion of the near future.
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
No. This Wimbledon represents a breakthrough for Berrettini, who has well and truly "arrived". He started nervously but played a fine match thereafter. Curiously though, he didn't appear particularly disappointed afterwards. If Berrettini can significantly improve his backhand he is surely a GS champion of the near future.
Agree to disagree.
 

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
No, you are right. I've been complaining about his level all tournament after Anderson match, where he appeared to peak (also no wind, roof closed, low ranked player, and poor mover in Anderson). The only point that impressed me was the one that got him the break point in the 4th set, 3-3. His poor BP conversion rate and penchancy to choke serving for sets or matches is becoming troublesome. I have several examples of the latter but the most recent and egregious ones were 3rd set TBD 5-4 serving vs Berry QF of FO, 3rd set vs Nadal 5-4, 30-0 at SF of FO, 5-4 40-30 third set vs Sissy FO '20, and Wimbledon '21 1st set 5-3 vs Berry.

He won Wimbledon with a far lower level than what he showed at latter stages of AO and FO. I'm not optimistic about USO but I'm just glad he got this one.

Edit: the more you gift sets to these young guys, the more belief you give them that they can hang. That's the thing I really respect about Nadal. He steps on your throat when you're down.

yea, he's like 70% most of the matches, and only goes up when needed. that's why it's kind of "robotic", but in his age he does what any smart man should.. to keep the body fit and safe while still winning GSs
 

Pandaman

Semi-Pro
Without a doubt this has to be Djokovic's worst slam winning level. He would have been eating bakery products aplenty if even 2019 Federer was on the other side of the net today in my personal opinion. Glad he got the job done though and relieved that the rest of the year is being played on HC where he appears to be far more comfortable at this stage of his career. He looked like a novice out there on the grass with his footwork at times during this tournament and it didn't help that his serve was misfiring for extended periods of time.
IF, IF, IF....doesn't exist.
Everything has a ripple effect. You can't change one thing and keep everything else constant. Novak couldve raised his level if Rog or Nadal were on the other side.
 

coupergear

Professional
2019 Wimbledon and "the game" therein - think of how that altered tennis history. We'd be sitting at 21-20-19 instead of 20-20-20 with a chance to break the tie via a CYGS. After
Yeah but it's kind of like that match point you speak of. If federer goes on to win in 2019 after blowing a couple match points you don't even remember the blown MPs. Likewise If Novak gets to 22. Those MPs relegated to just a footnote.
 

Whitelight

New User
I might have to cool down and give it a rewatch at some stage but I was quite disappointed in Novak's level of play today when you take the level of opposition into account. I certainly don't think it was a significantly better performance than the 2019 final. Main thing is that one way or another he got the job done today though. There was a lot at stake so nerves and stretches of shaky play are more than understandable, especially at his age.

Djokovic had a big problem with the slippery grass and therefore his movement was cautious and limited. He did not want to experience the fate of Manarino and Serena Williams. Victory is victory, not even big teams in football, Bayern, Real, etc., play great every time when they win.
 

bigjimbofan

Rookie
On to the attempt at the Grand Slam. I think that is great for the sport. This is something most of us here have never seen attempted. I for one am looking forward to this.If Novak wins the US Open he will have earned it. It's going to be much harder than this Wimbledon title. As a matter of fact, I have a feeling he won't win it. In this day and age of media there is simply a ton of pressure and never ending mentioning of it that can wear the strongest down
 
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