2021 Wimbledon - WTA discussion

[AM75]

Well once again the horrible umpire stole one of the most important points of the match.

 

[flyingboris]

Loved that little smile when she caught her toss on match point. Congrats Karo!!

 

[bezs]

Could Ka Pliskova finally be living up to her potential.

 

[Arak]

The quieter player won

 

[AM75]

But Saba was also stupid not to challenge.

 

[tennis4me]

Sascha is happy. Congrats Karo. One of her best match. Very consistent groundstroke, and great serving.

 

[gadge]

Pliskova was a better player today. Should’ve won it in straights

 

[18x20 ftw]

Why no challenge? Surely she saw it as close.

 

[Tennis Fan States63]

Yeah what do you have to lose

Yes....as stringertom stated.....can't take 'em with you. Part of the learning process, and staying focused perhaps.

 

[AM75]

Sascha is happy. Congrats Karo. One of her best match. Very consistent groundstroke, and great serving.

One of the best? How many times did she return Saba's serve back in the field?

 

[romeo8880]

Why no challenge? Surely she saw it as close.

Because the horrible chair umpire keeps calling it as out too

 

[flyingboris]

Well once again the horrible umpire stole one of the most important points of the match.

Was there a hawkeye replay showing it in? I saw the ball was close but it was hidden behind Karo.

 

[Deleted member 770948]

Pliskova 32 winners, 17 unforced errors.
Sabalenka 38 winners, 20 unforced errors.
Despite the messy nature of Sabalenka's errors, that match was close all the way.

 

[gadge]

Because the horrible chair umpire keeps calling it as out too

That’s why there’s an option to challenge and it was stupid of sabalenka to not challenge

 

[romeo8880]

Close match but Pliskova was the better player from start to finish. Sabalenka didn’t show up today with her A game.

 

[tennis4me]

One of the best? How many times did she return Saba's serve back in the field?

Nothing you can do with those serves. "Good serve" that's all you can say. It's the rally that counts. Longer points favor Pliskova.

 

[speedysteve]

Because the horrible chair umpire keeps calling it as out too

Campaign for automated line calling everywhere!

 

[Arak]

The chair umpire vision was blurred by the high decibels.

 

[Enceladus]

Another grandslam final in 2021 with Czech participation was secured by Karolína Pliskova!!

 

[chicagodude]

Interesting how so many here have a completely different idea of what 'choking' is.....

If you play a whole match at a lower level than you have been recently, it's simply a bad match. Not challenging is a bad decision. Choking used to be generally known as a player giving away a match in which they were in winning position (and usually after being the better player throughout the match), but I guess many here are giving it their own interpretation.

As far as I am concerned, the term 'choking' is one of the most overused terms in tennis, right after 'epic' which is nowadays used for pretty much every 5-set match regardless of how the match went exactly.

Ah well, to each their own, I won't lose any sleep over it

 

[Tennis Fan States63]

Was there a hawkeye replay showing it in? I saw the ball was close but it was hidden behind Karo.

Yes....they showed a replay - barely in.....would have been 30-all.

 

[bluetrain4]

Barty-Pliskova is a good final on paper. They've never had a match that wasn't at least reasonably close - and that includes matches across all three surfaces. Barty leads 5-2 (including challenger win) and they're 1-1 on grass, though those matches were in 2012 and 2016. Most recent 2021 mach went three sets on clay. All but two matches have gone three sets.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of either, so I'm indifferent to the outcome. Though, I'll root for Pliskova, because she doesn't have a Slam.

 

[stringertom]

I like both of them but I can’t help but notice they have extremely silly arm tattoos that look like the generic options in video games

I don’t know about Sabalenka’s ink symbolism but Pliskova has one on her leg that every family member (mom, dad, twin sister) shares…a brand so to speak. It’s done in the NZ Maori style.

 

[Harry_Wild]

#1 vs. #8 for the 2021 Wimbledon’s Woman’s Singles Championship!

 

[abmk]

That was a pretty good match. Well done Pliskova.
Sabalenka stupid not to challenge on what turned out to be penultimate point of the match: at 5-4, 30-15 Pliskova serving.

 

[chicagodude]

Well once again the horrible umpire stole one of the most important points of the match.

Right, because of course she deliberately decided not to overrule a close call at the far end from her position....
I assume you have never served as an umpire or line judge before, otherwise you'd know how difficult it actually is.

If you wanna blame somebody, blame Sabalenka who made the stupid decision to not challenge despite being only points away from losing the match.
ALso, it's not like she lost this match because of this 1 point. She was outplayed the whole match.

 

[bluetrain4]

Pliskova 32 winners, 17 unforced errors.
Sabalenka 38 winners, 20 unforced errors.
Despite the messy nature of Sabalenka's errors, that match was close all the way.

Those are good winner to error ratios. Shows quality tennis.

 

[flyingboris]

Yes....they showed a replay - barely in.....would have been 30-all.

Ugh that sucks. I did yell "challenge!" at my monitor, but it seems the ump didn't hear me

 

[NaomiKonjuhPotapova]

I don’t know about Sabalenka’s ink symbolism but Pliskova has one on her leg that every family member (mom, dad, twin sister) shares…a brand so to speak. It’s done in the NZ Maori style.

Sabalenka got that when she was 18 and her mom didn't speak to her for a week. I mean she was 18 so it makes sense it looks horrible.

 

[stringertom]

Could Ka Pliskova finally be living up to her potential.

I certainly didn’t see it taking her five years to reach another slam final but she’s kept her ranking up to make for easier paths for her to get deep.

 

[tennis4me]

Did Sabalenka have any challenge left?

 

[stringertom]

Ugh that sucks. I did yell "challenge!" at my monitor, but it seems the ump didn't hear me

That’s from the Sabalenka echo effect.

 

[jm1980]

Finally! Karo is back!

Hope she can play a good final

 

[stringertom]

Did Sabalenka have any challenge left?

I’m not 100% certain but I don’t remember Mary Jo or Cliff saying she had used up her challenges, something they would have brought up when they showed the Hawkeye result.

 

[AM75]

Did Sabalenka have any challenge left?

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[stringertom]

Sabalenka got that when she was 18 and her mom didn't speak to her for a week. I mean she was 18 so it makes sense it looks horrible.

Karolina’s arm ink was done at age 15!

 

[romeo8880]

Well it wouldn’t have been 30-30 they would have replayed the point Bc Pliskova hit it back

 

[Mainad]

And could be the first champion from Oz since young double “L” in 2002.

Could be.

 

[tennis4me]

I’m not 100% certain but I don’t remember Mary Jo or Cliff saying she had used up her challenges, something they would have brought up when they showed the Hawkeye result.

It's very unfortunate that the "out" call wasn't challenged. I think Sabalenka's decision was also affected by the umpire's gesture (the "out" gesture with the index finger - a gesture that's usually used when an umpire is fairly sure that the ball is out. )

I never could fully understand (or accept) the reasoning(s) behind not using automatic line call and just make the correct call to begin with.
That call could've made a big difference in the outcome. I seemed to remember some non-ATP/WTA tournaments was experimenting with the automatic call (WTT??).

Oh well.

 

[NaomiKonjuhPotapova]

It's very unfortunate that the "out" call wasn't challenged. I think Sabalenka's decision was also affected by the umpire's gesture (the "out" gesture with the index finger - a gesture that's usually used when an umpire is fairly sure that the ball is out. )

I never could fully understand (or accept) the reasoning(s) behind not using automatic line call and just make the correct call to begin with.
That call could've made a big difference in the outcome. I seemed to remember some non-ATP/WTA tournaments was experimenting with the automatic call (WTT??).

Oh well.

All US Open (Except Arthur Ashe) and AO use automatic call.

 

[jm1980]

Yes....they showed a replay - barely in.....would have been 30-all.

No, they would have replayed the point at 30-15

 

[Pavla]

I guess I'm all in for Ash to win the whole shebang. Fitting, being that my first tennis memory is sitting on my grandmother's lap, watching Goolagong play at Wimbledon.

 

[stringertom]

It's very unfortunate that the "out" call wasn't challenged. I think Sabalenka's decision was also affected by the umpire's gesture (the "out" gesture with the index finger - a gesture that's usually used when an umpire is fairly sure that the ball is out. )

I never could fully understand (or accept) the reasoning(s) behind not using automatic line call and just make the correct call to begin with.
That call could've made a big difference in the outcome. I seemed to remember some non-ATP/WTA tournaments was experimenting with the automatic call (WTT??).

Oh well.

It was definitely influenced by the chair but she still had the option to use a challenge that doesn’t mean a thing after GSM is called. 100% a mental checkout.

 

[tennis4me]

It was definitely influenced by the chair but she still had the option and they don’t mean a thing after GSM is called. 100% a mental checkout.

I think her judgment was affected by her nerve/pressure and she stops thinking clearly.

 

[stringertom]

It's very unfortunate that the "out" call wasn't challenged. I think Sabalenka's decision was also affected by the umpire's gesture (the "out" gesture with the index finger - a gesture that's usually used when an umpire is fairly sure that the ball is out. )

I never could fully understand (or accept) the reasoning(s) behind not using automatic line call and just make the correct call to begin with.
That call could've made a big difference in the outcome. I seemed to remember some non-ATP/WTA tournaments was experimenting with the automatic call (WTT??).

Oh well.

The experiment was a full fledged success at USO’20.

 

[stringertom]

I think her judgment was affected by her nerve/pressure and she stops thinking clearly.

Exactly. A 100% mental checkout.

 

[kishnabe]

Did Sabalenka have any challenge left?

She had 2 or 3.

I saw 2 and 3 for both players.

Mind boggling she did not challenge anyways close to the end of the match just anyway. At least to make Pliskova think for a bit.

 

[stringertom]

She had 2 or 3.

I saw 2 and 3 for both players.

Mind boggling she did not challenge anyways close to the end of the match just anyway. At least to make Pliskova think for a bit.

Also, a few extra seconds to gather herself.

It’s relatively new territory for Sabs; she’ll learn. Great future!

 

[PDJ]

So happy that the final will be relatively shriek free. Really hoping for Barty to win and acknowledge her hero Evonne Goolagong-Cawley. But pleased for Pliskova.

 

[romeo8880]

Also, a few extra seconds to gather herself.

It’s relatively new territory for Sabs; she’ll learn. Great future!

I’m genuinely curious when the “great future” argument stops with these players. She’s been on tour for 5+ years now and has repeatedly failed when it gets deep into the tournaments. How many more years until it’s no longer a great future?

By the way, she’s really good as it is and is a mainstay in the top 10 but a slam winner I don’t know.