AM75
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Kerber needed 13 years to get her 1st Slam. Wozniacki 10.
2021 Wimbledon - WTA discussion
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romeo8880
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Didn’t know that about Kerber....and she has 3! This is after she slimmed down right?
Tennis Fan States63
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Yes.....I stand corrected.....unless they took a page from the Kerber/Hantuchova match.
THUNDERVOLLEY
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Disappointed in the Kerber result, but on the upside, she's playing with more confidence that she's displayed in well over a year, so with her immense talent, I expect her to win more majors.
Regarding Barty, she was outplayed in that second set, but what appeared to be nerves (from Kerber) allowed Barty back into that set.
Regarding Barty, she was outplayed in that second set, but what appeared to be nerves (from Kerber) allowed Barty back into that set.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
PDJ
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Re Kerber's nerves, that might be why she doesn't win any more majors. Similar to other former champions, once the doubt takes hold it's invariably a slippery slope.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Crazy Finn
Hall of Fame
Kerber's 33 now. I think she is who she is at this point. She's dealt with nerves well at times, as well.
Tennisfan339
Professional
I see Pliskova isn't even on the list. But I don't blame the OP. She and Svitolina have disappointed so many times in Slams. Pliskova has looked awful in Slams since her last SF in Melbourne against Osaka. I would never have expected her in SF, let alone in final.
But now I am so happy she won today. I thought she was done after the 1st. I hope she wins the final. She is a former world number #1, she is one of the 6 active players who reached the SF in the 4 Slams. She has won a lot of big tournaments. She deserves to win 1 Slam by the end of her career.
But now I am so happy she won today. I thought she was done after the 1st. I hope she wins the final. She is a former world number #1, she is one of the 6 active players who reached the SF in the 4 Slams. She has won a lot of big tournaments. She deserves to win 1 Slam by the end of her career.
Brian11785
Hall of Fame
I’d say she is definitely above average in that department by WTA 2010s standards.
Crazy Finn
Hall of Fame
Yup. I'd agree with that.
A lot of good players on the WTA fold when under pressure or things aren't going well. The finalist from the other side has done that most of her career.
Brian11785
Hall of Fame
Case in point, 2016 US Open final against Kerber. And both matches she's played against Sabalenka before today's match.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Those are some great stats. 31 winners to 17 UE and 38 to 20. 13 aces by Plishy and 18 by Sabalenka.
Real high quality SF’s.
Real high quality SF’s.
flyingboris
Legend
Although if you subtract the aces and double faults, it doesn't look quite as good: 18/13 and 20/16. Still fine, but the great serving affects the stats significantly.
Dolgopolov85
G.O.A.T.
But how often do you see two players consistently serving between 115-120 mph? 4 double faults each is actually really low considering you see as many or more DFs in more typical WTA matches (with powderpuff serves). Why, Barty and Kerber hit 7 DFs between them in 2 sets.
Sabalenka was decent on 2nd serve and Pliskova was outstanding at 69%. First serve numbers were at ATP levels. In fact, what was interesting to me was how much better this match was than the more fancied Barty-Kerber match. I don't think Sabalenka expected Pliskova to bring so much heat from the baseline. She has a decent shot at the title (with Barty still the favourite) if she plays like this on Saturday.
2 very enjoyable semi-finals. I didn't mind who won the Pliskova-Sabalenka SF, while I had a clear preference for Barty over Kerber in the first one.
Looking forward to the final. Either Barty winning her 2nd major, or Pliskova winning one after most of us thought that particular ship had sailed, are positive outcomes as far as I'm concerned.
Looking forward to the final. Either Barty winning her 2nd major, or Pliskova winning one after most of us thought that particular ship had sailed, are positive outcomes as far as I'm concerned.
On the subject of Barty, obviously player press conferences have been a hot topic recently, but I enjoy watching / listening to hers.
To me she is a breath of fresh air, and her smile and ‘bubbly’ personality are great to see. Plus more importantly I enjoy watching her play.
To me she is a breath of fresh air, and her smile and ‘bubbly’ personality are great to see. Plus more importantly I enjoy watching her play.
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
G.O.A.T.
It seems that I'm cursed, all players I really want to win on certain round lost on that very round (Sloane, Gauff, Jabeur and Kerber). But I'm still ABP. Anyone But Pliskova.
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
G.O.A.T.
Largely due to the dominance of 3-4 players across generations: Navratilova, Graff, and Williamses.
Exciting that the tradition breaks now.
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
G.O.A.T.
Su-Wei FTW tho!
Latetothegame
Semi-Pro
So do I, and I like the fact she appreciates iit is a game and loves grass, but I have also seen pliskova at Eastbourne, and she has a good grass court game
I think it’s a good final to be honest and I am looking forward to it, not sure who I want to win
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Updated list of majors winners (not named Serena) since 2010:
Schiavone: FO - 2010
Clijsters: USO 2010 & AO 2011
Li Na: FO 2011 & AO 2014 Kvitova: Wimbledon 2011 & 2014
Stosur: USO 2011
Sharapova: FO 2012 & FO 2014
Azarenka: AO 2012 & 2013
Bartoli: Wimbledon 2013
Pennetta: USO 2015
Kerber: AO 2016, USO 2016 & Wimbledon 2018
Muguruza: FO 2016 & Wimbledon 2017
Ostapenko: FO 2017 Stephens: USO 2017
Wozniacki: AO 2018
Osaka: USO 2018, 2020 & AO 2019 and 2021
Barty: FO 2019 & Wimbledon 2021
Halep: FO 2018 & Wimbledon 2019
Andreescu: 2019 USO
Kenin: AO 2020
Swiatek : FO 2020
Krejcikova - FO 2021.
This was a fairly suspenseful Wimbledon event for the women, as the younger generation fearlessly fought their way forward, veterans were either injured or not offering much, and other majors winners trying to regain their best form, with some--like Kerber--appearing as if her formidable game (despite the loss) is getting back on track, which is great for the sport.
Schiavone: FO - 2010
Clijsters: USO 2010 & AO 2011
Li Na: FO 2011 & AO 2014 Kvitova: Wimbledon 2011 & 2014
Stosur: USO 2011
Sharapova: FO 2012 & FO 2014
Azarenka: AO 2012 & 2013
Bartoli: Wimbledon 2013
Pennetta: USO 2015
Kerber: AO 2016, USO 2016 & Wimbledon 2018
Muguruza: FO 2016 & Wimbledon 2017
Ostapenko: FO 2017 Stephens: USO 2017
Wozniacki: AO 2018
Osaka: USO 2018, 2020 & AO 2019 and 2021
Barty: FO 2019 & Wimbledon 2021
Halep: FO 2018 & Wimbledon 2019
Andreescu: 2019 USO
Kenin: AO 2020
Swiatek : FO 2020
Krejcikova - FO 2021.
This was a fairly suspenseful Wimbledon event for the women, as the younger generation fearlessly fought their way forward, veterans were either injured or not offering much, and other majors winners trying to regain their best form, with some--like Kerber--appearing as if her formidable game (despite the loss) is getting back on track, which is great for the sport.
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Brian11785
Hall of Fame
This doubles finals has taken a turn. Insane championship point down from Hsieh and Mertens. Now I'd pick them to win this.
Brian11785
Hall of Fame
All time worst umpire call in that last game. Gonna probably end up costing Mertens and Hsieh the match.
Winners or Errors
Legend
Here comes a break. Vesnina has been spotty this set.
Winners or Errors
Legend
Well deserved win. Fun final to watch.
HarveyPitnik
Professional
"The ball wizards" won! They are great of course but hats off to very impressive doubles comeback of Vesnina and brilliant showing by a "rookie" Kudermetova in this tournament! (and especially final)
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Really pleased for Hsieh and Mertens but I can't imagine how hard it must be to lose a Wimbledon final after having two Championship points.
-NN-
G.O.A.T.
Really pleased for Hsieh and Mertens but I can't imagine how hard it must be to lose a Wimbledon final after having two Championship points.
Better call Fed.
zvelf
Hall of Fame
Yeah in the trophy ceremony, you could see Kudermetova was very unhappy while Vesnina was a good sport about the loss. Hsieh hit some of her usual incredible shots. That doubles final was one of the best matches in the entire tournament with lots of momentum swings.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Really pleased for Hsieh and Mertens but I can't imagine how hard it must be to lose a Wimbledon final after having two Championship points.
It's a b1tch....trust me.
robow7
Professional
A quick question for those of you that follow women's tennis, as I usually don't. Is Barty a strong enough player that she could win slams in most any era, and if so, what are her strengths that would allow her to do that ? or is she simply opportunistic at this current time ? I have no opinion and was just curious what others more knowledgeable on the subject thought. Thanks
Crazy Finn
Hall of Fame
I think so.
She's very good all around. She hits harder than you would think. Her movement is very good, her slice is ATG, and she's got good net skills and lobs, even if she's pretty choosy when she uses the former. She's also a smart player and can think her way around and through a match, which frankly, you don't see all the time on the WTA.
I think the thing we've seen in Barty post-pandemic is that her serves are better and there's more pace on her forehand. The weakness of many, many WTA players is their second serve, and hers is solid and not extremely attackable like others.
She didn't win the AO and she's not unbeatable. As I recall, she played Osaka in 2019 in China and it was a pretty good match, but she lost in 3. That's a tough matchup for anyone on hard courts, so we'll have to see, but she has all the tools and is a smart player.
I think she'd match up alright against the past players on the WTA. Peak Serena is a tough task for anyone, but much of the current tour is used to higher pace shots than back in those days. Back in the day, Serena
(and Sharapova) could hit people off the court because they rarely saw that kind of power. Serena can still bring that level of pace, but more players - like Barty - are used to it and can handle it.
Because her game is so solid all around and her serve is steady and very good, she'd be a contender at any point, I think. I'm not going to guess how many slams or anything like that, she's only at 2 right now. But, I think she could hang with the Williams sisters, Capriati, and Sharapova well enough. She kind of reminds me of Henin or Clijsters with maybe a better serve. She hasn't gotten there, yet, but I think she's just getting started.
I don't think this is a weak era in the WTA at all. It's just wide open with lots of good players at a reasonably high level - and no hugely dominant player, yet. Osaka's getting there, but only on hard courts, and her game isn't all that complete.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
I've never been one to compare era's cause I think it's just impossible to do so considering all the different factors. I mean how can you compare Margaret Court and wooden racquets to the game we see today?
Anyway, Barty is an amazing player. I won't lie, I feel she has benefited from her opponents choking in her 2 slam finals but she has the weapons and game to have been a slam champion in the past. Sure I don't think she could beat Steffi Graf but you never know what could happen when you play someone on the other side of the net, everyone has off days. The fact she preferred grass yet her best results were on hard courts but won her first slam on clay just shows what sort of all court game she has. I can see her winning more slams in her time and she would've done well in the past.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Very worthy champion, I have to say.
And a pretty good final.
Congratulations, Ash! One of the nicest, down to earth people on the WTA.
The number 1 ranking now makes a lot more sense.
It's also interesting that the two most dominant players - Barty and Osaka - have divided the "natural" and "artificial" surface Slams between them.
And a pretty good final.
Congratulations, Ash! One of the nicest, down to earth people on the WTA.
The number 1 ranking now makes a lot more sense.
It's also interesting that the two most dominant players - Barty and Osaka - have divided the "natural" and "artificial" surface Slams between them.
spystud
Talk Tennis Guru
Ruse gets her first career title.
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