taydbear7
Professional
Been playing with Tecnifibre TF 305 16x19 since it was released.
2021 Yonex VCore 95
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Been playing with Tecnifibre TF 305 16x19 since it was released.
Moved to ez98 since it was released.. Feb22
bobeeto
Hall of Fame
No sir, ezone 98 can’t produce the same shape off the string bed. A fun baseline hit - but i can’t be competitive with anything else besides my 95
mattimag
Rookie
I tried the Vcore 95 2021 after demoing the Vcore 95 2023 from TW.
the 2021 I bought is strung with Gamma Io 1.23 and it has 2g at 3 and 2g at 9.
I LOVE IT. I can get a lot of effects on serve and it hits an heavy ball from baseline.
I'm gonna experiment more. I am also thinking of changin the original grip with a Yonex Leather grip. do you think I should add more lead on it after doing this?
the 2021 I bought is strung with Gamma Io 1.23 and it has 2g at 3 and 2g at 9.
I LOVE IT. I can get a lot of effects on serve and it hits an heavy ball from baseline.
I'm gonna experiment more. I am also thinking of changin the original grip with a Yonex Leather grip. do you think I should add more lead on it after doing this?
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
You actually prefer 2021?
why?
mattimag
Rookie
You actually prefer 2021?
I am going to say something that is right on spot with your nickname Aesthetics. Fluo Red is my favourite colour and I love the paint job on the 2021.
Moreover the head of the 2023 model with that enlarged area at 10 and 2 looks a bit too weird to me.
But that's not to say the 2021 is a better racket than the 2023.
I played with the 2023 a couple of times in the week I had the demo from Tw and It felt good but I wasn't able to try lead and different strings and tensions so I have got only a partial idea of the 2023 model.
However the main flaw of the 21 according to many is that it is too muted. I don't see it as a problem. It feels good.
Maybe in the future I will try the 2023 again and get a better idea
vndesu
Hall of Fame
Its funny, I have a friend on my tennis team that prefers the 2021 compared to the current model. Maybe its just something hes too used to but I told him I had to make the switch since Im playing a lot better with the current version.You actually prefer 2021?
Recoveringhobo
Rookie
I prefer stiffer frames and so my fave of the 95s was the SV and then '21. I can play with any of them but I just prefer the punch on the SV. And you get used to the '21s mutedness.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Yea I used to play with 98 and 100 vcore 21s for a while and after demoing the 23s it seems a big upgrade to me
bobeeto
Hall of Fame
I play the 21’ 95’s, and after demoing the 23’ I felt like the muted but not Uber soft feeling is more accurate against heavy shots - especially at net. Just feels more consistent to me
Roquestil
Semi-Pro
Same here, I much preffer 2021 version stringbed feels more uniform and string spacing is more controlled.You actually prefer 2021?
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Is it much different than the previous vs?
I have both and think I prefer the 23 model but because I have the 21 model in grip size 1 and 23 in size 2, it’s not an apples to apples comparison since my 21’s have heat sleeves applied to increase grip size slightly and that adds weight/changes balance etc. But I do feel the 23 feels a bit crisper in a good way, the added stock swing weight helps hit through the ball and provide stability at net, and also that it feels better for gut/poly hybrid stringing. But I am also a better player now than when I was using the 21 (I still use a 21 sometimes for technical practice to save my 23 strings).
bobeeto
Hall of Fame
23 is crisper?? Interesting. Strung the same?
I think @coolvinny may be commenting on feel, more so than flex. Feel is supposed to be more direct, less muted. That's probably what he's referring to.
bobeeto
Hall of Fame
I agree it is less muted, but I wouldn’t have equated it to crisp. I felt like it was staying quite long on the string bed.
Obviously everyone has different experience, just interesting to hear!
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Correct, I meant feel rather than actual flex. It feels a bit closer to my old 2001 iPrestige Mid which is super flexible (and which I was never good enough to really wield!).
blackfrido
Hall of Fame
can you guys mention any string (string set up) that you found enhances performance on this frame? thanks
1.20 - 1.27 gauge for the best balance of spin/control/durability
As crisp as possible, to cut through all the muting/dampening (options include crisp polys, multi's, syn guts or even nat gut, in a hybrid)
Lowest tension you can still control (for as much off-center forgiveness and free pop as possible)
Combine all of the above, and the '21 VC95 is palatable, dare I say even enjoyable.
Hope that helps.
As crisp as possible, to cut through all the muting/dampening (options include crisp polys, multi's, syn guts or even nat gut, in a hybrid)
Lowest tension you can still control (for as much off-center forgiveness and free pop as possible)
Combine all of the above, and the '21 VC95 is palatable, dare I say even enjoyable.
Hope that helps.
blackfrido
Hall of Fame
That helps, thanks
I bought a pair used/strung , and hit with them only once.
My first thought was to restring in the low 40s not to have that board feeling of my first impression, hopefully to get more pocketing as well.
I have some strings around to try that I am familiar with: Solinco tour bite, maybe Big Hitter Silver 7 tour,
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Got 2 vcore95s from 2018 I assume. I just felt so disconnected from the game playing with RF97A v12 and v13, so I had to change. Vcore plays more like what I grew up on. I have strung one with RPM blast at 25kg, and thinking luxilon bb for the other, just not sure what tension. I am a big player, 6'6", a bit heavy, so not much movement, although I can get int opsition pretty well before I rush the net. Do you recommend any mods for this? Tension for S&V and mostly attacking game? Thank you!
OslerWeber
Rookie
Whats the consensus on the 21 vs the 23? Wich one is more stable and with jogher sw?
Loved my old 95Ds but never tried any of the new 95s.
Anyone who has gotten them to above 330 sw could share their mods? Thanks!
Loved my old 95Ds but never tried any of the new 95s.
Anyone who has gotten them to above 330 sw could share their mods? Thanks!
blackfrido
Hall of Fame
I picked two used/strung couple of weeks ago. I agree with your comments, my one handed backhand was solid. I haven’t felt like that on that side after dozen of different frames since my days playing my Knessl red star 95 18x20 extended.
On the other side I was hitting long, missing the base line by far. I blame obviously me (first, not the racquet) but based on the fact these racquets as received are very tight strung for my taste I have to hit harder losing my form more on the forehand than the other side.
I was waiting on the back-order of new grommets before re-stringing .
I have very high expectations on this frame.
Please share more comments when you hit again, thanks
Well, roll on into 2023 and my racket journey has lead me back to the V Core 95 2021, but perhaps my journey has not finished...(VCP97 2023 or VCore 95 2023)? Having traded one of my VCP97 2021 310g rackets on FB for a V Core 95 2021, I decided to venture down the leather grip, lead at 10 and 2 route and see what this racket was all about again. I did play it stock with PTS 1.20mm in the mains and PTR 1.20mm and it felt quite stiff and boardy, but much better control than my VCP97 310g and my serves were a lot more consistent. Slices were so-so and really needed to focus on hitting the sweet spot. My 1HBH was back after a long hiatus since using the VCP97 310g 2021. Now, with the leather grip, Sampras Tourna power strips at 10 and 2 and PTP Yellow 1.20mm at 50lbs, has made this racket feel super plush. My end specs are static weight of 347g, balance 315mm, swing weight 327g. The one knock I have is that the PTP yellow is a bit too soft and I will be cutting this out and trying Solinco Confidential 1.25mm at 50lbs in the next few days.
Bigmctennis
Rookie
Demo’d the 2021 Vcore 95 against the 2023 and originally I did prefer the 2021 with 2g total of lead at 3&9. Felt more stable and reliable but holy smokes I could not serve with the thing. Went back to the 2023 demo with 2g at 12 and wow did it play amazing. Felt way more confident especially on forehands and serves and the touch of softness was perfect for defensive balls, everything was falling effortlessly onto the opponents baseline when needed. The muted 2021 I just couldn’t get down with but it is a great stick that’s worth demoing to see if it’s for you
So, cutout the PTP and replaced it with Confidential 1.25mm at 50lbs. The racket is a bit meh now, so I may be coming through the honeymoon period. Serves are a lot slower, so I may need to revisit PTP again perhaps at a higher tension. Volley consistency a little low due to the small sweet spot so super concentration required to middle them. FH and BH require a lot of effort and impeccable timing to send back shots with interest. I ended-up switching back to my weighted VCP97 for matches. I do love warming-up with this racket as it prepares me for match play!
On a Yonex demo day in September, so will get to try out the whole range in one day
In stock form with a vibration damper and overgrip added, the vcore 95 2021 felt a bit unstable for me for off center hits. I added lead 4g total at 3,9 and 2g at 12 for added stability and a little more pop. Hopefully this change will work out, without changing the balance that much because I love the whippy feeling of the racket at the net.
My string setup was also changed to have Wilson NXT 1.25 52 lbs on mains and Technifiber ice code 1.25 50 lbs on crosses. The setup feels really good on the arm.
I'll post my experience with the changes soon.
I'm also contemplating getting an ezone 98, purely to see how different it is to the vcore 95. Probably more power with some loss of control? I read a post recently on this forum that says 95-98 sq inch has the best balance between power and control. I was earlier contemplating going for a 105 sq inch like the Dunlop CX 200 os or head gravity team, but gave up on the idea because I absolutely love the control and precision of mid Plus frames. Based on my experience with the ezone 100, 98+, and vcore pro 97 HD, I'd have to say the 95-98 sq inch range seems to suit me better
My string setup was also changed to have Wilson NXT 1.25 52 lbs on mains and Technifiber ice code 1.25 50 lbs on crosses. The setup feels really good on the arm.
I'll post my experience with the changes soon.
I'm also contemplating getting an ezone 98, purely to see how different it is to the vcore 95. Probably more power with some loss of control? I read a post recently on this forum that says 95-98 sq inch has the best balance between power and control. I was earlier contemplating going for a 105 sq inch like the Dunlop CX 200 os or head gravity team, but gave up on the idea because I absolutely love the control and precision of mid Plus frames. Based on my experience with the ezone 100, 98+, and vcore pro 97 HD, I'd have to say the 95-98 sq inch range seems to suit me better
I have posted in this thread a few pages ahead but was scouring the thread for string advice on the VC95. Apologies that this is an old post, but I’m at this point, playing with both a weighted VCP97 310g 2021 and VC95 2021. I did demo the VC95 2021 a couple of years ago, loved it on serves, hated it on ground strokes. Probably a crap string. Fast forward to 2023, I traded one of my VCP97’s for a VC95 2021 on FB. VCP97 310g 2021, total of 4g lead at 10&2, counter-balance in the handle, strung with Tour Bite 1.25mm, swing weight is 320. VC95 2021 has a leather grip and OG , Sampras Power strips at 10&2, string with Head Hawk Power 1.25mm at 50lbs, now dropped to circa 44lbs, 332 swing weight.
To say the VC95 is demanding is an understatement. It does require the utmost concentration and decent footwork. I have been playing with it for about 2 months now, sometimes switching between it and the VCP97, and had to adjust my spacing in order to hit towards the upper part of the hoop in the VC95, since the sweet spots are different. My 1HBH still needs some time to marinate with the VC95 as I do feel you have to hit quite far in front, whereas with the flex of the VCP97, there’s more dwell time, resulting in a more comfortable ride and a loopier shot.
Where the VC95 has excelled for me, is in its accuracy. My forehand has never been as consistent and my serve percentage has increased. When I switch back to the VCP97 between hitting sessions, I feel disconnected from the ball, although I’m still able to hit deep and serve well.
I will take this into a match next weekend, after I’ve strung it again with Solinco Confidential 1.25 at a lower tension, as my previous attempt at this string ruined the lovely feel of this frame.
Not sure if I’ll pick up another VC95 2021 until I try the Percept and the VC95 2023 next month at a Yonex demo day.
I’ve gotten my VC95 2021 to 332 sw. Mods are Head leather grip + Wilson Pro overgrip, Sampras power strips at 10&2, circa 7g in total, Head Hawk Power 1.25mm.
Not tried the 2023 yet, but will next month
NYTennisNut
New User
Still looking to hear more about vc95 ’21 vs ‘23. Any further thoughts or experiences?
Strongly prefer a softer feeling racquet but not mushy. OHBH feedback seems very consistent and encouraging.
Strongly prefer a softer feeling racquet but not mushy. OHBH feedback seems very consistent and encouraging.
EggSalad
Hall of Fame
I’ve only hit with a buddy’s ‘21 so I can’t comment/compare too much. But to me, the ‘23 is soft yet very direct. You do not lose ball feel on the string bed at all, yet the frame feels plush/soft.
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I’m still waiting on a demo as I’m not gonna make the Yonex demo day anymore
. From what reviewers have been saying on YT, it plays more like a 16x19 as the two outer mains are closer to the frame, therefore making it a slightly more open 16x20. This results in a higher launch angle when compared to the VC95 2021’s more dense 16x20. Only way to know would be to overlay both frames on each other and see if this is true. Also, the head shape is noticeably more bulbous at 10&2 on the 2023. I do think I’ll be sticking with the VC95 2021 for a while as I’m enjoying how I’m playing with it at the moment. Will post when I’ve tried the 2023 demo!
bobeeto
Hall of Fame
23’ is softer and has a bit more launch imo
21’ is pretty muted but very comfy and for me extremely consistent. I found that every once in a while the 23’ would give a odd ball deep or short even while hitting high up on the string bed
NYTennisNut
New User
Very helpful. Looks like I’ll have to find a way to try out both for myself and decide.
Contradicting myself above about getting a second VC95 2021 frame. Managed to find a retailer here in the UK who was selling the last few frames at the bargain price of £95. Just for the irony, I couldn’t resist
Will be sticking a leather grip on it this week.Also, I’m now only a VCore player, not Pro. Managed to off-load the VCP97 310g last week!
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bobeeto
Hall of Fame
Still rocking the 21’s. I’ve found a perfect spec for my game and can’t get enough of it
Yep, I’m still using them! To answer a previous poster’s question about the Percepts, I tried a bunch of them on a Yonex day in September. About the only ones that stood out for me were the 100D and the 97D. As I used to play the with the VCP97D last year, the P97D felt like an old friend, but more refined and easier to swing. The 100D felt like a more forgiving P97D. I only had about 10 minutes with each racket so probably needed more time. I did also try the P97H and VC95 2023 briefly. Found myself hitting everything long with the P97H, however the VC95 2023 was nice, like a softer version of the VC95 v6. Towards the end, I played with my VC95 and it just felt right. With the next VC95 iteration, I hope Yonex bring back some of the magic of the previous versions.
tophersuwita
Rookie
Can you elaborate more about the various versions of Vcore 95? I can get SV at very low price brand new, but I once played with 2023 and liked the maneuverability of it until I feel it was not consistent as bigger head size (skill issue maybe)
Roquestil
Semi-Pro
I can give you my thoughts having owned vc95 2018, 2021 and playtesting 2023 for 1 month. Only hit for 1 hour with the SV.
First of all what makes the vc95 special (for me) is the closed 16x20 pattern on a 95 inch head that feels suprisingly user friendly for amateur players. That got lost a bit with 2023 model because 16x20 now is more open and the head is now more narrow at the bottom of the head and wider at the top. That for me made me mishit a lot, I don´t hit that high up on the stringbed. Probably for other players it´s the contrary. This new head shape and more open pattern makes the vc95 finally enjoyable for some.
So in terms of head shape and geometry SV, 2018 and 2021 are pretty much the same. Yes the 2021 did change head shape a bit but nothing major.
Now what @Recoveringhobo mentions about stiffnes definitely SV and 2021 are stiffer than 2018 and 2023.
SV>2021>2018>2023. 2023 feels too flexy for some, for me it was ok. The thing is that the 2023 apart from the flex, it has the dampening tech. I don´t tend to like flexy frames + muted feel. The 2018 version altough a bit flexy has the best feel IMO.
Finally, what Yonex has mastered with each vc95 release is the stability. With the 2018 I had to add 6 grams of lead at 3/9, with the 2021 version only 3 grams 3/9 and for the month I playtested the 2023 I added no lead at 3/9 very stable.
In a nutshell the best vc95 version you can buy right now I would say is the 2021 version. If you don´t mind the muted feel, it has everything going on for it.
It's still current, easy to find, relatively stable, medium stiffness, still feels special, it has that more open cross section at the top like the 2023 but the string pattern is still a closed 16x20.
If you have the chance to go for the SV just consider it might be unstable stock but it has impressive feel.
The SV95 is really good with some weight at 3 & 9. The beam is a bit thinner than the newer versions (which I like) and it's also got a stiffer layup (which I like). I really am playing some of my best tennis with the frame. Very spin friendly too. The racket's paint job is also really nice. It gives off a Pro Staff feel in a way.
bananavanman
New User
I agree with all of this except that the 2021 is easy to find anymore. grommets are hard to come by as well. it was nice when they were on sale for between $100 and $120 bucks but they're all gone that I can see.
I also put 3g at 3 and 9 and 3 g at 12, plus 10 g blu tac in the butt (I like HL rackets) for these specs:
strung weight: 347
balance: 31.7 cm (8 pts HL)
swing weight: 332
polarization: 0.486
MGRi: 20.853
recoil weight: 168.57
feels like an old PS six.one/Prestige MP with a bigger sweet spot.
tophersuwita
Rookie
I only tried the 2023 briefly, before I got enlightenment on my forehand, but what I remember is the wider top shape made me aware of its "tip". When I served and swung my strokes, I could feel the heavier top meeting the ball (still very HL though), like I swung a stick with a metal bead on its tip.
If the SV has the similar whippiness, I think I will like the SV. But if it is more "uniform" all through the length, maybe I won't feel it so special.
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