Power Player
Bionic Poster
I think the vcp H is YYs prostock release honestly. Soft feel, huge classic weighting. Its a demanding frame that probably has amazing feel to it. Essentially yonexs take on the blade pro.
2021 Yonex VCore Pro Official Thread
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Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
I completely agree. What follows is not directed at @Power Player ... as I said I agree with you.
Many on these boards complain of wanting Pro Stock racquets offered to retail customers (I amongst them). Well, here it is. Now, back up all the talk, step up, and try it. Then decide. Ask for lower SW offerings from the racquets available (if it's too much for you), or find a way to make it work. The only thing that is not Pro Stock about this racquet is that it is already 330g unstrung, so in some sense, it's good to go from the start without the need to mod it up.
I bought myself the BP 16x19 (308g, 313SW, 325mm balance (unstrung - from memory), and after mods... 343g, 324SW, 305mm balance (Unstrung)). It plays fantastic. It's stable, has an excellent sweet zone/spot, great control AND power, is excellent on offense and defense, and I can play with it for hours.
I don't see any problems here. Yonex has clearly laid it out for all of us. For those that complain about wanting Pro Stock specs and racquets... they gave us the 330g version, for those that want to create their own specs... the 310g, for those that want a tighter stringbed... the 97D, and for those that want a Gravity competitor but prefer Yonex... the 100 with a 63RA. It's all covered.
There is a full spectrum available. Pick the one that suits you and get on with it. Not all racquets are supposed to suit all people. I think it's great they are giving us a wide range to satisfy all levels and requirements.
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ericykchan
Rookie
@TW Staff Yonex Japan website has 104sq-in VCP. Will this be available on your website? Thanks!
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What exactly is the aim? Has Yonex intentionally designed a 340+ SW?
PrinceYonex
Semi-Pro
TW still says that the swingweight they list is based only on two samples. So the average listed swingweight might change after they do their normal ten racquet measurement. That said, if the average stays in the mid 340s, then yes, I think we can safely say that Yonex has intentionally decided to substantially raise the swingweight on this particular frame.
ryushen21
Legend
This guy gets it. Well said.
Understood. Just not sure why a manufacturer would avoid sharing the intended spec. I suppose it’s just a really difficult component to control.
personally I feel that the answer to the high SW for the 330g might be much more mundane. perhaps in previous versions they'd go and make a perfect 330g, then a layer or two less of carbon fibre to get a 310g. so both duel g and vcore pro 97 310g felt slightly light and flimsy (duel g) to me, but 330s were perfect as is.
now, after concluding that 310g should be their focus, they are maybe engineering and making a perfect 310 or 320, then add a layer or two to get to 330g, and the racquet is then a bit off, too heavy in the head.
or they are compensating for the extra flex in the throat with more SW and mass to the head...
in manufacturing things tend to be simpler than we as consumers imagine..
now, after concluding that 310g should be their focus, they are maybe engineering and making a perfect 310 or 320, then add a layer or two to get to 330g, and the racquet is then a bit off, too heavy in the head.
or they are compensating for the extra flex in the throat with more SW and mass to the head...
in manufacturing things tend to be simpler than we as consumers imagine..
That’s an interesting theory…simply about where are their priorities across the line…
What'sABackhand
New User
I hope the early H racquets are just a mistake and will have a SW closer to 330...
I've used the 330 going back to the vcore tour version and anything over 340 for sw will be too much. If Michelle, who plays with the RF 97, says it's too hard to swing then I think that's sure going to limit the players that will be able to or want to use it.
I've used the 330 going back to the vcore tour version and anything over 340 for sw will be too much. If Michelle, who plays with the RF 97, says it's too hard to swing then I think that's sure going to limit the players that will be able to or want to use it.
PrinceYonex
Semi-Pro
It’s funny how much a TW playtest can impact perception, but I also heard Michelle repeatedly talking about it as being too hefty and was like, woah, if she’s struggling, this must be really heavy in the hand.
I wish they had put Troy on the play test also, as he played with an older vcp330 as his main racquet for a time. Would have been helpful to hear his take on how it compares.
Obviously we will each have to try it ourselves to see if it works or not.
TW Staff
Administrator
Feel like I should pipe in here and offer a little more than what you can see/hear in the videos 
We also have an upcoming podcast (with Troy! and Mark and Brittany) that takes a deeper dive into this line and we go into depth about some of this stuff that has been brought up...
With that said, this is from Troy:
"I wasn't able to make this review, as I was working the TW Store at the WTA tournament in San Jose. I did play with it, and liked it, but the swingweight on our testers was a bit high. If I were to consider switching to something like this, I would be using the TW MRT services to try and find one with a swingweight more in my spec range of about 300-305 unstrung. I also really enjoyed the 97D in stock form, great feel." He also said, "If I were in the market for one of these, I would be contacting the TW racquet experts, and making and MRT request to search for the lowest swingweight option in a given batch, or closest to 301-302 unstrung, which is pretty much what I used with the older version of the VCORE Pro 97 330, and my Six One 95 18x20's over the years. I would likely just go Super Grap on the stock grip, and call it good."
In the podcast (coming soon but you might have to wait for that a couple weeks, sorry!!), Troy talks about hoping to find racquets with a bit of a lower swingweight and going from there once we have more racquets in stock. Unfortunately, sometimes during these playtests we only have one or two frames to hit and our specs at the moment (which are subject to change) reflect the hitters we have.
And from me, this new version seems to be the Vcore Pro 97 330 I have struggled the most with, but that might 100% be a me problem! The past year or so has been a challenge for all of us in different ways and I definitely haven't been lifting as heavy as I might have been before (don't get me wrong, I'm still in the gym and working out as much if not more but guess it is time to start piling on the weight! Got a nice heavy leg sesh in yesterday!). Also, it is worth remembering that I've never been the die-hard Yonex fan that some of the other playtesters are and I have been hitting the RF97 consistently for several years now (although I have been craving some hitting sessions with my racquet of choice and my go-to string set up, sometimes we are testing so much weeks go by before you get to hit what you call 'home' and I've been all over the place with testing strings and a bunch of racquets that aren't mine). And lastly, yes, I have hitters of my RF up in the 340s in terms of swingweight as well and I go through phases where that is the only racquet I want to swing; but I'd say as of this moment, the racquets in the 335-339 SW range have been the ones I've been gravitating toward most often.
All those excuses aside, we will be excited to get more racquets in stock and we will obviously be speccing more once we have more to spec and go from there!
and as always, DEMO DEMO DEMO!
Hope that helps a bit,
Michelle, TW
We also have an upcoming podcast (with Troy! and Mark and Brittany) that takes a deeper dive into this line and we go into depth about some of this stuff that has been brought up...With that said, this is from Troy:
"I wasn't able to make this review, as I was working the TW Store at the WTA tournament in San Jose. I did play with it, and liked it, but the swingweight on our testers was a bit high. If I were to consider switching to something like this, I would be using the TW MRT services to try and find one with a swingweight more in my spec range of about 300-305 unstrung. I also really enjoyed the 97D in stock form, great feel." He also said, "If I were in the market for one of these, I would be contacting the TW racquet experts, and making and MRT request to search for the lowest swingweight option in a given batch, or closest to 301-302 unstrung, which is pretty much what I used with the older version of the VCORE Pro 97 330, and my Six One 95 18x20's over the years. I would likely just go Super Grap on the stock grip, and call it good."
In the podcast (coming soon but you might have to wait for that a couple weeks, sorry!!), Troy talks about hoping to find racquets with a bit of a lower swingweight and going from there once we have more racquets in stock. Unfortunately, sometimes during these playtests we only have one or two frames to hit and our specs at the moment (which are subject to change) reflect the hitters we have.
And from me, this new version seems to be the Vcore Pro 97 330 I have struggled the most with, but that might 100% be a me problem! The past year or so has been a challenge for all of us in different ways and I definitely haven't been lifting as heavy as I might have been before (don't get me wrong, I'm still in the gym and working out as much if not more but guess it is time to start piling on the weight! Got a nice heavy leg sesh in yesterday!). Also, it is worth remembering that I've never been the die-hard Yonex fan that some of the other playtesters are and I have been hitting the RF97 consistently for several years now (although I have been craving some hitting sessions with my racquet of choice and my go-to string set up, sometimes we are testing so much weeks go by before you get to hit what you call 'home' and I've been all over the place with testing strings and a bunch of racquets that aren't mine). And lastly, yes, I have hitters of my RF up in the 340s in terms of swingweight as well and I go through phases where that is the only racquet I want to swing; but I'd say as of this moment, the racquets in the 335-339 SW range have been the ones I've been gravitating toward most often.
All those excuses aside, we will be excited to get more racquets in stock and we will obviously be speccing more once we have more to spec and go from there!
and as always, DEMO DEMO DEMO! Hope that helps a bit,
Michelle, TW
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Feel like I should pipe in here and offer a little more than what you can see/hear in the videos
With that said, this is from Troy:
"I wasn't able to make this review, as I was working the TW Store at the WTA tournament in San Jose. I did play with it, and liked it, but the swingweight on our testers was a bit high. If I were to consider switching to something like this, I would be using the TW MRT services to try and find one with a swingweight more in my spec range of about 300-305 unstrung. I also really enjoyed the 97D in stock form, great feel." He also said, "If I were in the market for one of these, I would be contacting the TW racquet experts, and making and MRT request to search for the lowest swingweight option in a given batch, or closest to 301-302 unstrung, which is pretty much what I used with the older version of the VCORE Pro 97 330, and my Six One 95 18x20's over the years. I would likely just go Super Grap on the stock grip, and call it good."
In the podcast (coming soon but you might have to wait for that a couple weeks, sorry!!), Troy talks about hoping to find racquets with a bit of a lower swingweight and going from there once we have more racquets in stock. Unfortunately, sometimes during these playtests we only have one or two frames to hit and our specs at the moment (which are subject to change) reflect the hitters we have.
And from me, this new version seems to be the Vcore Pro 97 330 I have struggled the most with, but that might 100% be a me problem! The past year or so has been a challenge for all of us in different ways and I definitely haven't been lifting as heavy as I might have been before (don't get me wrong, I'm still in the gym and working out as much if not more but guess it is time to start piling on the weight! Got a nice heavy leg sesh in yesterday!). Also, it is worth remembering that I've never been the die-hard Yonex fan that some of the other playtesters are and I have been hitting the RF97 consistently for several years now (although I have been craving some hitting sessions with my racquet of choice and my go-to string set up, sometimes we are testing so much weeks go by before you get to hit what you call 'home' and I've been all over the place with testing strings and a bunch of racquets that aren't mine). And lastly, yes, I have hitters of my RF up in the 340s in terms of swingweight as well and I go through phases where that is the only racquet I want to swing; but I'd say as of this moment, the racquets in the 335-339 SW range have been the ones I've been gravitating toward most often.
All those excuses aside, we will be excited to get more racquets in stock and we will obviously be speccing more once we have more to spec and go from there!
Hope that helps a bit,
Michelle, TW
Thanks Michelle, and on a contrary note, I hope the regular VCP 97 310 average SW is closer to 325 than 318 once you get more in.
PrinceYonex
Semi-Pro
This is really helpful. Thanks for including Troy's thoughts, as well as elaborating your own. I'm looking forward to the podcast.Feel like I should pipe in here and offer a little more than what you can see/hear in the videos
With that said, this is from Troy:
"I wasn't able to make this review, as I was working the TW Store at the WTA tournament in San Jose. I did play with it, and liked it, but the swingweight on our testers was a bit high. If I were to consider switching to something like this, I would be using the TW MRT services to try and find one with a swingweight more in my spec range of about 300-305 unstrung. I also really enjoyed the 97D in stock form, great feel." He also said, "If I were in the market for one of these, I would be contacting the TW racquet experts, and making and MRT request to search for the lowest swingweight option in a given batch, or closest to 301-302 unstrung, which is pretty much what I used with the older version of the VCORE Pro 97 330, and my Six One 95 18x20's over the years. I would likely just go Super Grap on the stock grip, and call it good."
In the podcast (coming soon but you might have to wait for that a couple weeks, sorry!!), Troy talks about hoping to find racquets with a bit of a lower swingweight and going from there once we have more racquets in stock. Unfortunately, sometimes during these playtests we only have one or two frames to hit and our specs at the moment (which are subject to change) reflect the hitters we have.
And from me, this new version seems to be the Vcore Pro 97 330 I have struggled the most with, but that might 100% be a me problem! The past year or so has been a challenge for all of us in different ways and I definitely haven't been lifting as heavy as I might have been before (don't get me wrong, I'm still in the gym and working out as much if not more but guess it is time to start piling on the weight! Got a nice heavy leg sesh in yesterday!). Also, it is worth remembering that I've never been the die-hard Yonex fan that some of the other playtesters are and I have been hitting the RF97 consistently for several years now (although I have been craving some hitting sessions with my racquet of choice and my go-to string set up, sometimes we are testing so much weeks go by before you get to hit what you call 'home' and I've been all over the place with testing strings and a bunch of racquets that aren't mine). And lastly, yes, I have hitters of my RF up in the 340s in terms of swingweight as well and I go through phases where that is the only racquet I want to swing; but I'd say as of this moment, the racquets in the 335-339 SW range have been the ones I've been gravitating toward most often.
All those excuses aside, we will be excited to get more racquets in stock and we will obviously be speccing more once we have more to spec and go from there!
Hope that helps a bit,
Michelle, TW
smalahove
Hall of Fame
The one I demoed had less pop than my stock VC95s. I wouldn’t have been surprised if it was in the low 310 or below.
Nate7-5
Hall of Fame
Also, the type and gauge of strings you use + a 4g dampener can greatly affect the swingweight - especially if you are close to the most you can handle.
My VC95 was 320sw with 1.25 PolyTour Air installed and dropped to 313.5sw when replaced with Solinco Confidential 1.15 (both measured on a Gosen electronic machine).
My navy VCP 330g was too much for me with 1.30 Cyclone Tour. With an 18g poly hybrid, the lightest dampener I could find (Tourna Sampras - you could also go rubber band), and a leather grip to lower the balance point, its much more manageable.
My VC95 was 320sw with 1.25 PolyTour Air installed and dropped to 313.5sw when replaced with Solinco Confidential 1.15 (both measured on a Gosen electronic machine).
My navy VCP 330g was too much for me with 1.30 Cyclone Tour. With an 18g poly hybrid, the lightest dampener I could find (Tourna Sampras - you could also go rubber band), and a leather grip to lower the balance point, its much more manageable.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Was it dramatically less pop? I guess if the SW was that low, it was. That's not enough juice.
I'll be interested in how that works out for me. The VC95 has really impressed me and may be tough to beat. I am looking for control, but not so much that I get exhausted. The VC95 has a really nice balance there, but my stock SW is ~325.
How do you like 1.30 Cyclone tour? I am going to try it in my VC95 once this Tour Sniper dies or breaks.
smalahove
Hall of Fame
Yes, but imo both the ‘18 and ‘21 VCore 95 are better rackets than all VCP97. The DG97 might edge out the ‘18 VC95 for the first place on my list, but I never got to play them s/s.
The new VCP97 is a nice frame, but imo it’s a step in the wrong direction for that line. When it comes to feel, the Prestige MP+ f.inst. is in another league. The low stiffness ratings have no significant relevance due to the dampening tech that robs the frame of most of its feel, again imho.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yeah good to know. I think the Vc95 is pretty muted but I love the feel of it. Its just enough to reward hammering the sweetspot with nice feel.
I was thinking maybe starting with Lynx Tour in the VCp97 since that is a crisp string. And I don’t use a dampener. Maybe that will open up the feel a little. I am just guessing since I haven’t used the frame, but it seems like we have similar taste since the 21 VC95 has really wowwed me.
To me the handle dampening tech in the new yonex makes using a dampener not needed. I am not sure I would enjoy the feel of the VC95 if it had a dampener in it. I had a similar revelation with the Blade v7. Used a sampras O damp in it because thats all I haveused for years and years but once I finally removed it, the frame felt much better.
smalahove
Hall of Fame
I stopped using a dampener a while back, and I think you’re absolutely right reg the ‘21 VCore 95; a dampener and a dead stringbed would make that frame way too muted.
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
I use a 21 Vcore 95 with the beefy Yonex dampener and a hybrid strung at 45 lbs (breaks in to 40 lbs after an hour or two).
smalahove
Hall of Fame
Sounds like a non-dead string setup ;-)
I like a lively poly at lower tensions, but f.inst. the ptp/pts hybrid i had in one of my vc95 was pretty dead to my amazement (40/44).
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
True, diadem solstice power is fairly crisp, evolution is a bit muted, very unique monofilament polyamide.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Have you tried no damp? That YY dampener is a feel rapist imo, lol. I don't think I could do it - would probably feel like the latest Pure strike to me.
T&M Returns
Rookie
Anyone have any idea how the H might compare to the Pure Strike #rd Gen tour in terms of power and spin? Not worried about SW as I lead up my tours a decent bit, but I've always liked Yonex.
I agree about the dampener. I feel better everytime I take it off or put just Tourna rubber.
ryushen21
Legend
I played the VC95 without a dampener the other day. The feel was quite nice. But I just can't get used to the sound without the dampener.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I used to say the same thing but you can. I never notice the sound now after a 5 min warmup.
ryushen21
Legend
Your guidance has rarely lead me in the wrong direction in the past. Once it stops raining here, I'll give both the 100 and the 95 another go without the dampener and see what I think.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yeah totally worth it. Took me forever to adapt to doing it, but its kind of like a pull the bandaid off thing. After a few full sessions you will not miss it.
On some frames like Babolat tweeners I still use a damp, but that's it now. With more muted, classic feeling frame I find that no dampener feels amazing once you get used to the string sound (it literally just goes away and you rarely notice it after a while).
I have used it ever since I first saw Aggasi use one
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Yep that is how it started for me as well. I went rubber band forever, than Sampras Dampener and finally weened myself off them completely.
It really helps in these Yonex frames with VDM, which essentially is a dampener already.
ryushen21
Legend
I saw a guy that had taken a 1/2" wide strip of memory foam and weaved it across the bottom part of the stringbed.
What'sABackhand
New User
Anybody know when they will be released in Europe? Although I'm pretty sure I won't buy any, I'm still curious enough to want to demo them
NickJ
Professional
Me too, still to this day.
Syfo-Dias
Professional
If it ain't broke don't fix it. To me it feels like just the right amount of dampening and it never flies off during a point. Plus it only weights 1g vs 4g for a Yonex dampener.
Notorious_Junkballer
Hall of Fame
If only there was an extended (0.25-0.5 inch) version too. I'd buy one right away. It could weigh 305-310g in stock. I've recently switched from Vcore 95 to Ezone 98+. I wonder why I've never experimented more with longbodies. Once you get a taste of a longer gun, you'll never go back.
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FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
I'll admit, I used it, and I would hit it maybe 2 out of 100 shots, (overheads) frustrated me so much I decided to not use a dampener on my 95.
galahad
Rookie
Apologies -what does “BP” stand for?
ryushen21
Legend
Blade Pro
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Looks like the twistweights may be up for the new VCore Pros - I may be wrong there, they have the 2018 310 listed at 13.49 and the new 310 is 13.81 If that is the case it should have a little more built in stability than the prior ones.
PrinceYonex
Semi-Pro
Are you sure the one listed with higher twistweight isn’t the 2019 (green) one? I remember that that one had a slight bump up from the 2018 (blue) one.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
That is a good question. They didnt label it so im not entirely sure.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Blade Pro
