2022-2023 Alcaraz vs. 2003-2004 Coria On Clay: Best of 10

Best of 10 on clay, who wins?

  • Alcaraz 9-1

  • Alcaraz 8-2

  • Alcaraz 7-3

  • Alcaraz 6-4

  • 5-5

  • Coria 6-4

  • Coria 7-3

  • Coria 8-2

  • Coria 9-1

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Lozo1016

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2022-2023 Alcaraz On Clay:
52-7 clay record
6 clay titles (3 in 2022, 3 in 2023)
2 clay Masters titles (2022 Madrid, 2023 Madrid)
Pre-tournament Favorite To Win 2023 RG but faltered after suffering cramps

2003-2004 Coria On Clay:
60-7 clay record
6 clay titles (4 in 2003, 2 in 2004)
2 clay Masters titles (2003 Hamburg, 2004 Monte Carlo)
Pre-tournament Favorite To Win 2004 RG but faltered after suffering cramps

Feels like this is a fair comparison.
 
Weight of shot differential would be too much for Coria to overcome. Alcaraz would win almost every time. Hard to see Coria winning more than ~4 games in a Bo5 match.

I mean, Coria's hitting 95 mph first serves to central locations in the service box. How's that gonna work out for him?
 
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daggerman said:
Weight of shot differential would be too much for Coria to overcome. Alcaraz would win almost every time. Hard to see Coria winning more than ~4 games in a Bo5 match.

I mean, Coria's hitting 95 mph first serves to central locations in the service box. How's that gonna work out for him?
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Coria took Young peak Nadal to a 5 setter in Rome and had MPs in a 5 hour duel. Alcaraz can only dream about that.
 
T007 said:
Coria took Young peak Nadal to a 5 setter in Rome and had MPs in a 5 hour duel. Alcaraz can only dream about that.
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Young Nadal was impressive (and obviously better than Alcaraz relative to his contemporaries), but his weight of shot, quality of serve, and return aggression do not compare favorably to Alcaraz.

Mid-2000s clay court tennis was all about spinning the serve in to start the point, then engaging in attritional rallies with mostly medium-paced balls that wouldn't pass muster as tour-level shots by today's standards. Nadal was the main force who changed this paradigm, but players like Alcaraz are the beneficiaries of the paradigm change.
 
Coria cramped only because he played the final against Gaudio and those 2 had a lot of history.

6 - 4 for Coria to me. He could handle ball bashers at his peak on clay. Even bageled prime Federer on indoor carpet.
 
crimson87 said:
Coria cramped only because he played the final against Gaudio and those 2 had a lot of history.

6 - 4 for Coria to me. He could handle ball bashers at his peak on clay. Even bageled prime Federer on indoor carpet.
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Breadsticked fed in YEC 05 you mean. Because fed only got bagelled once from 2000-2020 - RG 08 final.
 
daggerman said:
So Alcaraz is just going to put Coria's 95 mph, middle-of-the-box first serves back in play so Coria can then dictate?
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Yes ,let's pretend Coria didn't take Nadal to a tight 5 setter and also pretend Carlos could exploit Coria's serve better than Nadal.
 
NeutralFan said:
Yes ,let's pretend Coria didn't take Nadal to a tight 5 setter and also pretend Carlos could exploit Coria's serve better than Nadal.
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We don't have to pretend. We can just go back and observe that Nadal's weight of shot in 2005 wasn't comparable to Alcaraz's, and his own serve was more exploitable. And Nadal wasn't doing anything in particular to exploit Coria's serve. He was just putting the ball back in play and letting Coria dictate.

Watch set point at 2:06, for instance. You think Alcaraz only gets his return of that serve to the middle of the service box?!

 
daggerman said:
Young Nadal was impressive (and obviously better than Alcaraz relative to his contemporaries), but his weight of shot, quality of serve, and return aggression do not compare favorably to Alcaraz.

Mid-2000s clay court tennis was all about spinning the serve in to start the point, then engaging in attritional rallies with mostly medium-paced balls that wouldn't pass muster as tour-level shots by today's standards. Nadal was the main force who changed this paradigm, but players like Alcaraz are the beneficiaries of the paradigm change.
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You people watch tennis right? Sometimes I feel the whole of forum barring few don't even watch the sport the discuss.

Weight of shot depends a lot on top spin and early Nadal on clay had the heaviest of shots.
 
ForehandCross said:
You people watch tennis right? Sometimes I feel the whole of forum barring few don't even watch the sport the discuss.

Weight of shot depends a lot on top spin and early Nadal on clay had the heaviest of shots.
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Can't believe we're at the point where 05 Nadal on clay would be beaten by Alcaraz now lol
Even if by some miracle Alcaraz was 2 sets up, to Nadal the match would be just getting started. He would stay out there all day and his level would increase as the match went on.
 
daggerman said:
Young Nadal was impressive (and obviously better than Alcaraz relative to his contemporaries), but his weight of shot, quality of serve, and return aggression do not compare favorably to Alcaraz.

Mid-2000s clay court tennis was all about spinning the serve in to start the point, then engaging in attritional rallies with mostly medium-paced balls that wouldn't pass muster as tour-level shots by today's standards. Nadal was the main force who changed this paradigm, but players like Alcaraz are the beneficiaries of the paradigm change.
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congrats on clown post of the year award......alcaraz's game is inferior to coria on clay going by what was seen so far......forget nadal for now......we will talk next season whether he's made any improvements enough to exceed coria first......
 
ForehandCross said:
You people watch tennis right? Sometimes I feel the whole of forum barring few don't even watch the sport the discuss.

Weight of shot depends a lot on top spin and early Nadal on clay had the heaviest of shots.
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Weight of shot depends on the combination of pace and spin. A 4000 rpm, 60 mph shot isn't "heavy." Nadal's stock rally ball in the mid-2000s was heavy by mid-2000s standards, but not by today's standards. Alcaraz's ball is much heavier. Nadal also hits a heavier ball now (or when last he was healthy) than he did as a teenager.
 
Start da Game said:
congrats on clown post of the year award......alcaraz's game is inferior to coria on clay going by what was seen so far......forget nadal for now......we will talk next season whether he's made any improvements enough to exceed coria first......
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Let's see what you got. Analyze their games, little bro. Explain why Alcaraz's game is inferior. Explain why Coria's middle-of-the-box, 95 mph first serves are good enough.
 
Coria was the more natural clay courter. He would get his wins. Alcaraz more explosive but also more erratic. The percentages may well favour Coria in longer rallies and over the course of a multi match series. Coria no question hit a heavy ball based on superb, reliable technique, and he also had a drop shot weapon of his own. It’s exactly the kind of play that we’ve seen is able to frustrate Alcaraz. I could see the Alcaraz wins being more dominant, but there would be losses too.
 
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daggerman said:
We don't have to pretend. We can just go back and observe that Nadal's weight of shot in 2005 wasn't comparable to Alcaraz's, and his own serve was more exploitable. And Nadal wasn't doing anything in particular to exploit Coria's serve. He was just putting the ball back in play and letting Coria dictate.

Watch set point at 2:06, for instance. You think Alcaraz only gets his return of that serve to the middle of the service box?!

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Lmao ,You're deluded if you think Alcaraz is better than young Nadal on clay. Carlos will make 10000 of unforced errors while facing young Nadal.
 
NeutralFan said:
Lmao ,You're deluded if you think Alcaraz is better than young Nadal on clay. Carlos will make 10000 of unforced errors while facing young Nadal.
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Carlos would get DUSTED lol

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No point in comparing Coria vs Nadal 05 against Alcaraz, the dynamics of a hypothetical Coria vs Alcaraz match would be completely different, as Daggerman says.

Be nice and say they'll split them, though I believe many years from now, Alcaraz will get the accolades, which would sway opinion far more into his favor. I can only assume though.
 
Lozo1016 said:
2022-2023 Alcaraz On Clay:
52-7 clay record
6 clay titles (3 in 2022, 3 in 2023)
2 clay Masters titles (2022 Madrid, 2023 Madrid)
Pre-tournament Favorite To Win 2023 RG but faltered after suffering cramps

2003-2004 Coria On Clay:
60-7 clay record
6 clay titles (4 in 2003, 2 in 2004)
2 clay Masters titles (2003 Hamburg, 2004 Monte Carlo)
Pre-tournament Favorite To Win 2004 RG but faltered after suffering cramps

Feels like this is a fair comparison.
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Very good records from both tbh
 
I think in current form it will be 5-5.
But Coria serve will be heavily punished by Carlos
 
daggerman said:
Weight of shot differential would be too much for Coria to overcome. Alcaraz would win almost every time. Hard to see Coria winning more than ~4 games in a Bo5 match.

I mean, Coria's hitting 95 mph first serves to central locations in the service box. How's that gonna work out for him?
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In reality, even Nadal had trouble with Coria, but let's listen to the tennis evolutionists on this one.
 
Nice to recall Coria who got screwed by a big pharma company, WADA and the legal system. The Argentinian was an awesome clay courts tennis player and had a few more years left to play, if it wasn't for those contaminated multi-vitamins and draconian system.
Lozo1016 said:
Feels like this is a fair comparison.
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It sure is. Both are examplary.
 
TennisBro said:
Nice to recall Coria who got screwed by a big pharma company, WADA and the legal system. The Argentinian was an awesome clay courts tennis player and had a few more years left to play, if it wasn't for those contaminated multi-vitamins and draconian system.

It sure is. Both are examplary.
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It's a shame Coria couldn't win RG like Carlos was eventually able to.
 
McGradey said:
Don’t forget, Federer’s racquet would explode in his hand if he tried to return an Alcaraz forehand. One of my favourite insane takes from TTW. Glorious stuff.
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Whenever I hear ppl bring up Fed vs Raz I instantly remember @MichaelNadal saying sth like peak Fed would have taken (2022) Raz to the cleaner. I guess that's still true for Raz's 2023 and 2024 versions.
 
Lozo1016 said:
It's a shame Coria couldn't win RG like Carlos was eventually able to.
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as painful as it has been to know that no lawyer or the ITF/ATP power could have/would have stepped in to reinstate the Argentine back in action after the anti-doping charges Coria was really not guilty of. The true responsibility was in hands of the multivitamins producers and at the mercy of tennis officials and WADA who failed the professional tennis obligations
 
I would go with Coria. He had no problem handling ballbashers and attacking players on clay at his peak. His defense would eventually frustrate everyone and he could move you around the court and make it look easy.


Alcaraz is much better on HC and grass though.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Both choked. Cramped. Respect needs to be earned. Coria's time is over. Carlos needs to win big first.
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I wouldn't call a problem with your body (leg cramps), heat stroke, or dizziness as a choke.

Choking is mental but still physically able to perform.
- missing a penalty kick to win it all.
- missing a free throw(s) in last minute to go ahead
- throwing an interception at the goal line, 4th and inches last play (Seahawks/Pats)

Any player can pull a hamstring, sudden achilles issue, plantar facscitis, have toe or finger blisters during the match so bad they can't play.
 
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