2022 ATP Madrid SF: Novak Djokovic [1] vs Carlos Alcaraz [7]

[albertobra]

The young age allowed Alcaraz an exagerated number of UEs. Without those (a thing that will be fixed soon), the scoreline would have been much more one way.

 

[SonicNirvana]

major threat to Djokovic and Nadal's final slam counts, no?

it's about damn time

 

[Sudacafan]

You never had the makings of a Madison Ave Ad Exec.

I only have experience in early XIX Century military campaigns, but I am a fast learner.

 

[Wesling]

Does anyone know if any other player has beaten Nadal and Djokovic in consecutive matches before? It must be the first time it's ever happened.

Nalbandian 15 years ago lol

 

[Beulah Jesus]

Keep saying that into your mirror.

 

[I Am Finnish]

If Egg hadn't serve well Charlie would have routine him straights

 

[Sudacafan]

The young age allowed Alcaraz an exagerated number of UEs. Without those (a thing that will be fixed soon), the scoreline would have been much more one way.

Look at his winners too. The match wasn’t even finished when he reached 50, doubling Djokovic.

 

[DSH]

I am so looking forward to Gill Gross's videos (his own channel and Three - A Tennis Show) - Carlos defeated both Rafa and Novak and Gill ALWAYS downplays Carlos's wins. Can he do that now? He just adores Djokovic and lacks objectivity about him.

So, he is the Strongrule of podcasts?

 

[ewiewp]

it's about damn time

yeah, timing is good for Alcaraz and Sinner generation, I think.
big3 will retire soon. maybe after winning a few more slams...

 

[spottishwood]

Nalbandian 15 years ago lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_ATP_World_Tour_Finals_–_Singles
also

 

[Jokervich]

Nalbandian 15 years ago lol

So when Djokovic was practically still a child. Anything since 2011?

 

[TopspintheTerrible]

I only have experience in early XIX Century military campaigns, but I am a fast learner.

You don’t drink enough and you seem like you oppose objectifying women. It’s not going to work out.

 

[Checkmate]

Nobody gets to match point 3 times in a match against the Djoker unless they have a lot of talent!

Karatsev?

 

[mahatma]

The kid is a good add to tour. Needs to work on his teeth I feel ( game wise super good already) and lots of marketing budgets coming his way!

 

[Wesling]

Honestly Djokovic is still playing pretty dogshit compared to last year, and still it takes a final TB 7-5 for a redlining Carlos to beat him.
I dunno, Novak in 2021 form still takes him in straight sets or 3-1 in BO5 IMO.

 

[ewiewp]

The young age allowed Alcaraz an exagerated number of UEs. Without those (a thing that will be fixed soon), the scoreline would have been much more one way.

But for 1st 2 sets and half, Djokovic won more points, higher 1st serve %, higher 1st and 2nd serve winning %.
It's was more like Carlos has made it close and somehow escaped 2nd set.

 

[Vamos Rafa Nadal]

So, he is the Strongrule of podcasts?

I like Gill - he's great at analysis but he claims to be objective and he usually is - except where Djokovic is concerned. He had predicted Djokovic would prevail in this semi way back at the beginning of the tournament - I predicted Carlos of course. Three is about the big 3 so of course there is a bias towards them but it's sometimes a bit too much!

 

[Mainad]

Does anyone know if any other player has beaten Nadal and Djokovic in consecutive matches before? It must be the first time it's ever happened.

Nalbandian, everyone knows this

I was about to ask this myself. So we have to go as far back as Nalbandian in 2007? Amazing to think nobody has done it since until now, not even Fed!

Yet another mark of distinction for the rising young superstar of tennis!!

 

[Vamos Rafa Nadal]

But for 1st 2 sets and half, Djokovic won more points, higher 1st serve %, higher 1st and 2nd serve winning %.
It's was more like Carlos has made it close and somehow escaped 2nd set.

The difference in this match was that Carlos got one more break of service than Djokovic did. If Djokovic had lost that first set tiebreak the match would have been over much earlier.

 

[mike danny]

Does anyone know if any other player has beaten Nadal and Djokovic in consecutive matches before? It must be the first time it's ever happened.

Federer, Davydenko and Nalbandian.

 

[beard]

Great match it was, congratulations to Alcaraz, he really is real deal...
About Novak, he's not at his best but is closing to it, this match is great for him too...

 

[mike danny]

I was about to ask this myself. So we have to go as far back as Nalbandian in 2007? Amazing to think nobody has done it since until now, not even Fed!

Yet another mark of distinction for the rising young superstar of tennis!!

Federer, Nalby and Davydenko all did it.

 

[Krish872007]

Honestly Djokovic is still playing pretty dogshit compared to last year, and still it takes a final TB 7-5 for a redlining Carlos to beat him.
I dunno, Novak in 2021 form still takes him in straight sets or 3-1 in BO5 IMO.

Will Djokovic be able to get back to that form consistently though? He can certainly produce magic from time to time but it's not as easy these days
Carlitos played well although made a ton of errors himself, he has a lot of things he can improve and has time to do it

 

[Mainad]

Federer, Nalby and Davydenko all did it.

Did Federer and Davydenko do it after Nalbandian?

 

[spottishwood]

I was about to ask this myself. So we have to go as far back as Nalbandian in 2007? Amazing to think nobody has done it since until now, not even Fed!

Yet another mark of distinction for the rising young superstar of tennis!!

Mentioning this the third time on this page, WTF'10 was the last time it was done.

 

[mike danny]

Was this after Nalbandian?

Yep. Nalby did it in 2007 Madrid.

Fed did it at the 2010 YEC (beat Murray there as well as a bonus)

Davy did it at 2009 Shanghai.

 

[albertobra]

Honestly Djokovic is still playing pretty dogshit compared to last year, and still it takes a final TB 7-5 for a redlining Carlos to beat him.
I dunno, Novak in 2021 form still takes him in straight sets or 3-1 in BO5 IMO.

This was Carlos first match vc Djoko. He didn't yet know what to get. The next will be sobber for Novak. But no worry, same destiny for Rafa. I only hope that on Roger's comeback, the kid will be far from him on any draw.

 

[WildRevolver]

Healing Temple detour before Rome.

 

[zvelf]

Jabeur Pegula is pretty much the worst kind of WTA final. If women's tennis gets killed, it will be murdered by these kinds of crappy match-ups.

There is more interest in Alcatraz playing R1 of Rio than these two playing the final of a Tier 1 event.

It's only Jabeur vs. Pegula because Swiatek sat this one out.

 

[Vamos Rafa Nadal]

Djokovic did play near his best and lost. Djokovic fans just won't admit it, he played great and lost to a player who never gives up.

 

[DSH]

Yep. Nalby did it in 2007 Madrid.

Fed did it at the 2010 YEC (beat Murray there as well as a bonus)

Davy did it at 2009 Shanghai.

What about Wimbledon 2019?
Oops, I forget about this one!

 

[Mainad]

Yep. Nalby did it in 2007 Madrid.

Fed did it at the 2010 YEC (beat Murray there as well as a bonus)

Davy did it at 2009 Shanghai.

So Alcaraz is the first one to do it on clay.

 

[ewiewp]

The difference in this match was that Carlos got one more break of service than Djokovic did. If Djokovic had lost that first set tiebreak the match would have been over much earlier.

yeah, but with the types of stats in 1st 2 sets, djokovic usually finish it in straight sets.
i guess carlos done better at key points.

 

[Sudacafan]

Nalbandian 15 years ago lol

And Federer on top, too.

 

[mike danny]

What about Wimbledon 2019?
Oops, I forget about this one!

A very close loss at 38.

Point being, it was never lack of ability for Fed. And he didn't get many chances in his career to beat them both back to back anyway.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

It's only Jabeur vs. Pegula because Swiatek sat this one out.

I know, but these kinds of horrible match-ups will happen even more frequently.

Swiatek can't be expected to reach every final.

 

[ewiewp]

So Alcaraz is the first one to do it on clay.

of course. main reason why it has been nearly impossible was Rafa.

 

[mike danny]

So Alcaraz is the first one to do it on clay.

Yep. even the commentators mentioned it.

Murray should've done it at 2016 Madrid, IMO. He probably played better than in in Rome the following week.

 

[Rosstour]

My two least favorite players go down in succession to the game's brightest hope in a dozen years. What a nice way to offset the reality of my pathetic existence

 

[Rattie]

Not sure I would say he is back to form yet.

No you wouldn’t.

 

[I Am Finnish]

I have even started to think that I like Alcaraz’s Vamoses better than Nadal’s.

Hmm

 

[Lleytonstation]

Yep. even the commentators mentioned it.

Murray should've done it at 2016 Madrid, IMO. He probably played better than in in Rome the following week.

Eh, not that impressive considering rafa and djoker are 35 coming off injury and terrible form.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Hmm

See. Told you.

 

[Beerus]

Djokovic did play near his best and lost. Djokovic fans just won't admit it, he played great and lost to a player who never gives up.

I admit that this was peak Djokovic.

 

[Rattie]

major threat to Djokovic and Nadal's final slam counts, no?

I think Rafa has always seen that but Novak is only now seeing it.

 

[Latetothegame]

Well done Carlos, he really is brave and tenacious, what a talent !!
My only complaint is now with the women final coming up, how late the second semi will be, considering the final is tom
But hey ho, Madrid have always done this

 

[I Am Finnish]

I admit that this was peak Djokovic.

He has yet to peak

 

[Rattie]

So, he is the Strongrule of podcasts?

I don’t find him biased. He’s easy to listen to and talks a lot of sense.

 

[Wander]

I know, but these kinds of horrible match-ups will happen even more frequently.

Swiatek can't be expected to reach every final.

Jabeur is a pretty exciting player to watch though. Pegula of course is not in the least, but such is life.

 

[I Am Finnish]

@Lleytonstation is the only Fedal stan is upset that Egg lost