2022 Rio Open (ATP 500)

Who wins the 2022 Rio Open?

  • Diego Schwartzman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Pablo Carreno Busta

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lorenzo Sonego

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Albert Ramos-Vinolas

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • someone unseeded

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    28
  • Poll closed .

James P

G.O.A.T.
Top players:
1. Matteo Berrettini
2. Casper Ruud
3. Diego Schwartzman
4. Pablo Carreno Busta
5. Cristian Garin
6. Lorenzo Sonego
7. Carlos Alcaraz
8. Albert Ramos-Vinolas

Field sadly lost both Thiem and Delpo, but overall a healthy field of dirtballers. Matteo adds a little gravitas to the Golden Swing. Alcaraz is returning for the first time since the Aussie Open. Very intriguing wild card given to Juncheng 'Jerry' Shang, one of the youngest players in the ATP 1000. Who's winning this tournament??

Draw
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
I'll go with Garín, the defending champ (albeit from 2020). He lost pretty badly to Matt last year in Madrid, but he does have one win....
 

Visionary

Hall of Fame
I voted and noticed how so TTW wants this young kid to win so much. Amazing that nobody's voted for the top seed Berettini to win.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
No word on what caused WC Shang to retire in his QF match at a Futures tuneup in Brazil on Friday. He was down a set but on serve in the second set at 5-4 vs a #587 ranked 31-year-old Brazilian when he shut it down.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
I voted and noticed how so TTW wants this young kid to win so much. Amazing that nobody's voted for the top seed Berettini to win.
Just checked the stats and was surprised to see Berri winning 69,5 % of his clay matches so far. Rud's on 72,2, Alca is on 63,3.
Berri's a mere 55,8 % on HC. Is Berri much, much better on clay than on HC?? Confused... I knew he could play on clay, but honestly I had his surface preferences grass >> > HC > clay
I guess it must be his forehand doing even more damage on clay than on HC. That, and the weaker clay field.

To me, Berri, Alca and Ruud are the main favorites. Who wins? Don't know, but voted Ruud. He tends to win a lot of these events.
 

Nadal - GOAT

Hall of Fame
Just checked the stats and was surprised to see Berri winning 69,5 % of his clay matches so far. Rud's on 72,2, Alca is on 63,3.
Berri's a mere 55,8 % on HC. Is Berri much, much better on clay than on HC?? Confused... I knew he could play on clay, but honestly I had his surface preferences grass >> > HC > clay
I guess it must be his forehand doing even more damage on clay than on HC. That, and the weaker clay field.

To me, Berri, Alca and Ruud are the main favorites. Who wins? Don't know, but voted Ruud. He tends to win a lot of these events.
It may have to do with the quality of opponents faced. He doesn't seem to be as much of a threat on clay as on hard courts.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
Did Juncheng officially pull out? He's still on the schedule, but it's well past the start time, I think?
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
He's fast, this youngster. Managed to fight back from 40-0 on Pedro's serve. Pedro takes in the end on his second Ad.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
Solid match from Pedro. He seemed a bit antsy from the start, but managed to come through without a hiccup.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
It was good to see Shang at ATP level and able to compete quite well throughout the match after his retirement last week at a Brazilian Futures tuneup.

Did any commentary clear up his decision to quit at 2-6 5-4 (on serve)? I imagine conditions in the Brazilian summer at some of these lower circuit venues could be tough to adjust to so my antenna was up about heat exhaustion when I read his score line from Friday.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
It was good to see Shang at ATP level and able to compete quite well throughout the match after his retirement last week at a Brazilian Futures tuneup.

Did any commentary clear up his decision to quit at 2-6 5-4 (on serve)? I imagine conditions in the Brazilian summer at some of these lower circuit venues could be tough to adjust to so my antenna was up about heat exhaustion when I read his score line from Friday.

I missed it if they mentioned anything.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Adjustments made; full pedal to the metal after that first set. The Golden Swing clay can take a bit of fine tuning of the game Alcaraz learned at home in Espana, especially when his last match on any clay court was in July.
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
Well, the first person born in 2005 has played an ATP match...and before anyone born in 2004. I think Arthur Fils or Luca Van Assche will get a main draw at one of the French 250s later on this year, perhaps. (Victor Lilov missed out on quallying into Delray this weekend).
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Before I saw the results I though Ruud or Alcaraz.

And Kecmanovic with an easy win to open his tournament, who knows.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
I'll go with Garín, the defending champ (albeit from 2020). He lost pretty badly to Matt last year in Madrid, but he does have one win....

What has happened to Garín? He is a shadow of the player he was even last year.
 

fundrazer

G.O.A.T.
So what exactly happened to Garin? Physical or mental?
He was never all that good, and I also think the clay field improved slightly. A lot of guys who were grinding the challengers have made it to the 250 level events and seem to be doing decently.

I dunno though. Don't normally watch too many of the clay events.
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
Byes in atp 500 is really not worth it. Atp should make rules for having byes only in atp 250. This us unfair way to gain 500 points by winning just 4 matches
I don't agree with it either. Perhaps it's because this is a rare four tournament week? Only way it kind of makes sense. Still disagree with it.
 
Nah, I think it's fine.

It's like having qualifying rounds. Sure, there's 16 people in the draw that need to win 7 matches to win. 20 people that need 5 matches to win. And 4 people in the draw that need 4 matches to win.
 
Just checked the stats and was surprised to see Berri winning 69,5 % of his clay matches so far. Rud's on 72,2, Alca is on 63,3.
Berri's a mere 55,8 % on HC. Is Berri much, much better on clay than on HC?? Confused... I knew he could play on clay, but honestly I had his surface preferences grass >> > HC > clay
I guess it must be his forehand doing even more damage on clay than on HC. That, and the weaker clay field.

I just looked up his tournament wins - he's won 3 tournaments in his career on clay, 2 on grass, and none on hardcourts. So it seems like his surface ranking should be Grass > Clay > Hard, matching his win percentages.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
I just looked up his tournament wins - he's won 3 tournaments in his career on clay, 2 on grass, and none on hardcourts. So it seems like his surface ranking should be Grass > Clay > Hard, matching his win percentages.

Right, it seems counterintuitive because of his serve, but I think he moves better on the clay. Is he the only NextGen to take a set off of Djoker on clay and grass? It's an impressive feat, even in this day and age.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Byes in atp 500 is really not worth it. Atp should make rules for having byes only in atp 250. This us unfair way to gain 500 points by winning just 4 matches
Most 500 tournaments have not gone down this road yet. Hopefully it is not the wave of the future.

Personally, I would prefer a ban of byes at all levels. It would mean more entertainment for paying customers attending the first day or two of each tournament. It also gives more chances to gain experience to younger players on the rise.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Right, it seems counterintuitive because of his serve, but I think he moves better on the clay. Is he the only NextGen to take a set off of Djoker on clay and grass? It's an impressive feat, even in this day and age.
He is probably the only currently active natural surface “bilingual” to have won his first tournaments on both clay and grass without dropping a set. His first title at Gstaad’18 (clay) was unblemished as was his Stuttgart’19 (grass) title run.

As a native of a red clay zone, as big as he is and as good a topspin serve as he possesses, it’s not a surprise he gets solid results on the dirt. He looks to shorten points on clay in much the same method as he does on the other surfaces. Big serve, look for the short return, bang that forehand; lather, rinse and repeat. The short returns are there in abundance, induced by the kick he gets on first and second serves. His hold % spread between the three surfaces is quite narrow but all 86% or better (clay is lowest but higher than Nadal’s). His best surface for breaking is clay, showing he has time to hide the backhand better and gain dominance in any rallies.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
He is probably the only currently active natural surface “bilingual” to have won his first tournaments on both clay and grass without dropping a set. His first title at Gstaad’18 (clay) was unblemished as was his Stuttgart’19 (grass) title run.

As a native of a red clay zone, as big as he is and as good a topspin serve as he possesses, it’s not a surprise he gets solid results on the dirt. He looks to shorten points on clay in much the same method as he does on the other surfaces. Big serve, look for the short return, bang that forehand; lather, rinse and repeat. The short returns are there in abundance, induced by the kick he gets on first and second serves. His hold % spread between the three surfaces is quite narrow but all 86% or better (clay is lowest but higher than Nadal’s). His best surface for breaking is clay, showing he has time to hide the backhand better and gain dominance in any rallies.

Not to mention his success at the Slams. Med, Stef, and Zed are all ranked higher, but consistency thy name is Berrettini.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Not to mention his success at the Slams. Med, Stef, and Zed are all ranked higher, but consistency thy name is Berrettini.
Yes, he rarely loses to players ranked significantly lower than he is. The worst upset that comes to mind is RG’20 to Altmaier; I discount results there due to October conditions in Paris, something hopefully never repeated.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Byes in atp 500 is really not worth it. Atp should make rules for having byes only in atp 250. This us unfair way to gain 500 points by winning just 4 matches

I agree, Basel and most that I know are certainly 5 rounds but this is weak sauce. I don't even agree with it for 250s to be honest. Masters makes sense because it's 5 matches WITH a BYE with the bigger ones having it 6 with a BYE.

What it boils down to for a 500 is 180 points for 2 matches with likely lower level opponents. That is insanity and very much leads credence to vulturing points.
 
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