2022 Rome Final: [1] Novak Djokovic vs Stefanos Tsitsipas [4]

[Bubcay]

 

[Frenchy-Player]

 

[Third Serve]

Tsitsipas really has been almost completely useless since the second set of last year’s RG final, hasn’t he? His recent results and the players he’s lost to do not bode all that well for another final run at RG.

 

[Deleted member 762343]

Tsitsipas really has been almost completely useless since the second set of last year’s RG final, hasn’t he? His recent results and the players he’s lost to do not bode all that well for another final run at RG.

I mean that’s on him, at least partially. Keeping his father as his coach is stupid, I’m not even sure he’s competent at all.

 

[MeatTornado]

Tsitsipas really has been almost completely useless since the second set of last year’s RG final, hasn’t he? His recent results and the players he’s lost to do not bode all that well for another final run at RG.

Wouldn't be shocked to see him become Zed's first top 10 scalp if they meet in the quarters or semis.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

The guy who averages three mugs per minute has spoken!

Yes you mug!!!!

 

[Winners or Errors]

Djokovic is a great player, perhaps the most consistent of all time, but that doesn't change the fact that he should have some competition at age 35. If you take the tennis timetable from the emergence of Fed, Nadal, and Djoker - even if you look back in time to the beginning of the Open Era, you will see a new ATG emerging every 2-3 years. That puts it at what, 12 years overdue? What happened to the last 4-6 ATG's? They must be playing other sports. Does that mean tennis is dead? Not sure, still hoping...

 

[ACE of Hearts]

So I'm guessing a couple of people will report this, but you won't get banned.

Can you basically say whatever you want when you have 32k posts?

He starts beefing with me. Telling me i have a fetish of a word lol. I mean give me a break. The word is perfect and it should be said as many times as a word to compared these tennis players.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Djokovic is a great player, perhaps the most consistent of all time, but that doesn't change the fact that he should have some competition at age 35. If you take the tennis timetable from the emergence of Fed, Nadal, and Djoker - even if you look back in time to the beginning of the Open Era, you will see a new ATG emerging every 2-3 years. That puts it at what, 12 years overdue? What happened to the last 4-6 ATG's? They must be playing other sports. Does that mean tennis is dead? Not sure, still hoping...

Well tennis is different these days at that age but novak is still way past his prime. Like Federer he has his serve to lean on. To win cheap points on his serve. Nadal doesn’t have this. Anyway the tour is hopeless now and it needs a savior like alcaraz.

 

[TheAssassin]

Yes you mug!!!!

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Go do something worthwhile.

 

[Deleted member 762343]

Get a life pal! You said i have a fetish for the word. How many times you say novak on a message board or what not? But it seems like the word mug bothered you to an extent. Ignore it . Simple. Have a good day .

What actually annoys me is Djokodal/Djokovic/Nadal haters crying about weak era mugs only when they fail to stop their favorite’s rival from winning more (generally people fans of one or two of the Big 3) and pretend they’re just annoyed by the fact tennis isn’t interesting when it’s actually all about the slam race in their mind.

But I absolutely don’t care whatsoever about people using the word mug to describe a youngster playing poorly, I couldn’t care less. Me making a witty remark about your excessive use of the word "mug" doesn’t mean I’m mad over it otherwise I would have told you so and I wouldn’t say I understand why you called Tsitsipas a mug. It doesn’t justify your childish tantrum and thug act.

Don’t bother making the effort to appear polite by wishing me a good day after the behavior you displayed literally minutes before that and after telling me to get a life in the same post. You have zero credibility.

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

Lool he looks crazy, the ball kid is scared.

It's part of the reason why they don't let ballboys touch the towels anymore. The kids handling Nadal's towel would grow 2/3 inches over the course of the match, while developing acne and early-onset alopecia.

 

[TheAssassin]

Go do something worthwhile.

Like calling 98 of top 100 players mugs? I'll think about it.

 

[roysid]

Djokovic is a great player, perhaps the most consistent of all time, but that doesn't change the fact that he should have some competition at age 35. If you take the tennis timetable from the emergence of Fed, Nadal, and Djoker - even if you look back in time to the beginning of the Open Era, you will see a new ATG emerging every 2-3 years. That puts it at what, 12 years overdue? What happened to the last 4-6 ATG's? They must be playing other sports. Does that mean tennis is dead? Not sure, still hoping...

Djokovic is playing at top level at age 35. And his game is perfect with a mental fortitude not seen in decades. For a next gen ro challenge him, it would need a long long improvement.
Federer ia gone, nadal has declined. Physicality will catch up with djokovic one day. But his body seems good enough to play for 2-3 years at the top

 

[LeungD]

He starts beefing with me. Telling me i have a fetish of a word lol. I mean give me a break. The word is perfect and it should be said as many times as a word to compared these tennis players.

Just realized you're a Celtics fan. Enough said...

 

[ACE of Hearts]

What actually annoys me is Djokodal/Djokovic/Nadal haters crying about weak era mugs only when they fail to stop their favorite’s rival from winning more (generally people fans of one or two of the Big 3) and pretend they’re just annoyed by the fact tennis isn’t interesting when it’s actually all about the slam race in their mind.

But I absolutely don’t care whatsoever about people using the word mug to describe a youngster playing poorly, I couldn’t care less. Me making a witty remark about your excessive use of the word "mug" doesn’t mean I’m mad over it otherwise I would have told you so and I wouldn’t say I understand why you called Tsitsipas a mug. It doesn’t justify your childish tantrum and thug act.

Don’t bother making the effort to appear polite by wishing me a good day after the behavior you displayed literally minutes before that and after telling me to get a life in the same post. You have zero credibility.

Seems like I hit on nerve. This is a message board last i remembered. If i wanna use the word one million times i can. Just ignore the damn post. Idk what you’re talking about . The game of tennis is not good when you have guys that are past their primes still dominating. Most of these youngsters are just that. Mugs! Mugs! Mugs! Again go away and ignore the post next time around instead of being a smart mouth.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Just realized you're a Celtics fan. Enough said...

lol what does that mean?

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Djokovic is playing at top level at age 35. And his game is perfect with a mental fortitude not seen in decades. For a next gen ro challenge him, it would need a long long improvement.
Federer ia gone, nadal has declined. Physicality will catch up with djokovic one day. But his body seems good enough to play for 2-3 years at the top

Djokovic’s serve is what’s still keeping in on top as well as the inability of these players to put a ball in play.

 

[TheNachoMan]

I was out doing stuff and checked the score..

HOLY SHEET. GOATkovic?

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Like calling 98 of top 100 players mugs? I'll think about it.

Well obviously you haven’t watch the game of tennis the last couple of years .

 

[Deleted member 762343]

Seems like I hit on nerve. This is a message board last i remembered. If i wanna use the word one million times i can. Just ignore the damn post. Idk what you’re talking about . The game of tennis is not good when you have guys that are past their primes still dominating. Most of these youngsters are just that. Mugs! Mugs! Mugs! Again go away and ignore the post next time around instead of being a smart mouth.

Oh no, he said "mug" again and 3 times ! I’m outraged ! You really have reading comprehension issues, don’t you ? Repeating the same thing over and over without understanding what I’m saying. Whatever, I’m done.

I was out doing stuff and checked the score..

HOLY SHEET. GOATkovic?

Tsitsipossum, mostly.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Oh no, he said "mug" again and 3 times ! I’m outraged ! You really have reading comprehension issues, don’t you ? Repeating the same thing over and over without understanding what I’m saying. Whatever, I’m done.




Tsitsipossum, mostly.

Let’s leave it at that. Thank you

 

[TheNachoMan]

Rome is now Djokovic's BEST M1000 tournament!

In the era of Nadal too. Crazy..

 

[GabeT]

Like calling 98 of top 100 players mugs? I'll think about it.

I don’t get this obsession with pretending that Nadal or Novak are playing badly. They may no longer be at their peaks but when they are on their level is very very high. They just don’t have the consistency to keep that same level throughout the year as they did in the past

 

[guanzishou]

I've just woken up to see the score. Wow looks like a master class from Novak. I don't think he dropped a set in this tournament.

 

[GabeT]

Djokovic is playing well. But it's a day match tomorrow.

Tsitsipas in 3.

lol

 

[GabeT]

Tsitsipas in 2. Djoko's first real test and I wasn't really that impressed with what I saw against Auger and Ruud. If Djokovic has a really good day then he could possibly win it in 3 but most likely Tsitsipas in 2.

You don’t say…

 

[Pandaman]

Oh no, he said "mug" again and 3 times ! I’m outraged ! You really have reading comprehension issues, don’t you ? Repeating the same thing over and over without understanding what I’m saying. Whatever, I’m done.




Tsitsipossum, mostly.

Its funny seeing you get so aggravated bc I remember how you pulled a punk move to get me temporarily banned from Djokovic News months ago...for a similar reason. It's a message board. People don't know **** and just talk out of their @$$. I don't know what led to this, but this confirms it's a problem with you.

Maybe you and @Nadal_King can get group therapy instead of seeking it on toxic forums like these.

 

[GabeT]

Djokovic in better form but conditions are pro Tsitsipas so it's going to be a tight one hopefully Tsitsipas can win it in the end

Tennis won!

 

[NeutralFan]

I don’t get this obsession with pretending that Nadal or Novak are playing badly. They may no longer be at their peaks but when they are on their level is very very high. They just don’t have the consistency to keep that same level throughout the year as they did in the past

I am tired of debating this. It was high level when 36 year old back Agassi was playing but much superior players like Nadal and Djokovic are not supposed to play at high level.

 

[RS]

Were does Djokovic rank in OE on clay now?

Does he have any case for as high as 3rd?

 

[TripleATeam]

Were does Djokovic rank in OE on clay now?

Does he have any case for as high as 3rd?

Definitely has a case. However, I think the consensus for most is that Lendl (and/or Kuerten) is still ahead. Some would even put Lendl ahead if Djokovic wins another RG, but I would personally put Novak at 3rd in that case.

 

[Aabye5]

The good news for Stef fans...and, I think I just heard the door slam as the last one left...

His serving was keeping him in this match, and allowed him to focus on the return games. Of course, when he needed it most, he became too tentative. If he can serve like that in Paris, he has an excellent shot of reaching the final with a good draw.

 

[RS]

Definitely has a case. However, I think the consensus for most is that Lendl (and/or Kuerten) is still ahead. Some would even put Lendl ahead if Djokovic wins another RG, but I would personally put Novak at 3rd in that case.

Some might say Mats as well because he has 3 RG's.

 

[marc45]

Djokovic: "Nadal is my greatest rival of all time. As long as he plays, I play too."

 

[TripleATeam]

Some might say Mats as well because he has 3 RG's.

Yeah, some... though at least from the discussions I've had here, Wilander seems to be behind Novak for many as his wins/losses were less impressive than Novak's against Nadal, and Novak can somewhat make up for that 1 GS gap with his plethora M1000s.

 

[RS]

Yeah, some... though at least from the discussions I've had here, Wilander seems to be behind Novak for many as his wins/losses were less impressive than Novak's against Nadal, and Novak can somewhat make up for that 1 GS gap with his plethora M1000s.

I am thinking 4th best more than 5th or 6th.

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

Were does Djokovic rank in OE on clay now?

Does he have any case for as high as 3rd?

Since 2010, Djokovic leads the overall H2H 23-12. Of Nadal’s 12 wins, 10 were on clay, where the Spaniard still retained a slight 10-8 edge (Djokovic had never beaten Nadal on clay prior to 2011). That means that for the past 12 years, they’ve been pretty darn close even on the red dirt, which should say something about Nole’s legacy as a clay court player.

It also means that on all other surfaces they haven’t been close at all, with the Serb up 15-2 and Nadal’s only wins coming over a 4-week span in 2013 (Canada semis & US Open final).

 

[killerboss]

You don’t say…

Was nearly correct. Djokovic had a great day and match should have went to 3 (tsitsipas should have served it out)

 

[GabeT]

Was nearly correct. Djokovic had a great day and match should have went to 3 (tsitsipas should have served it out)

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

Definitely has a case. However, I think the consensus for most is that Lendl (and/or Kuerten) is still ahead. Some would even put Lendl ahead if Djokovic wins another RG, but I would personally put Novak at 3rd in that case.

I'm sorry, I adored Guga, but how can you even mention them in the same sentence? The Brazilian does own one more RG title, but he was facing the likes of Norman and Corretja, and his window of excellence was very brief. Those were also his only three finals, whereas Djokovic has 6 in Paris. He also has double digit M1000 titles on clay (to Kuerten's 4) and a whopping SIX Rome titles, with TWELVE finals at the Foro Italico, which is historically the second most prestigious clay event in the world BY FAR.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Stefanos tried to hit Alcaraz at Barcelona and never apologized.

No need to apologize because it's a completely legal and legitimate shot. I can't stand Tsits, but he was within his right to do it, here's that moment:

How is what the Greek did any different than these 2 shots from Djokovic, one of which actually hit Fed?

 

[Red Rick]

Lmao at Djokovic below top 3 on clay in open era.

 

[RS]

Lmao at Djokovic below top 3 on clay in open era.

Trying to imply he could level with Borg?

 

[Red Rick]

Trying to imply he could level with Borg?

No necessarily. But him being near Borg isn't as ridiculous as many make it out to be.

I do believe below Lendl and the other 3 time RG champions is ridiculous, considering he played in the age of Nadal.

 

[RS]

No necessarily. But him being near Borg isn't as ridiculous as many make it out to be.

I do believe below Lendl and the other 3 time RG champions is ridiculous, considering he played in the age of Nadal.

I have him 4th. Strong case for 3rd though.

One more RG would you have Djokovic over Borg?

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

No need to apologize because it's a completely legal and legitimate shot. I can't stand Tsits, but he was within his right to do it, here's that moment:

How is what the Greek did any different than these 2 shots from Djokovic, one of which actually hit Fed?

I'm sorry but that's not true - and even the b?tt-hurt Tsits DID eventually apologize to Rats )at the start of the following game). One thing is going for the body in a legitimate attempt to win a point, as you see in dubs or in both the Djokovic examples you posted (where the ball is clearly IN if it doesn't hit Roger), another thing is launching a ground-to-air missile that lands straight onto the backboards, and whose only possible purpose is to decapitate the opponent. It's perfectly legitimate in that it won't result in an arrest or a tennis penalty. But it's a dirty, cowardly move and anyone who's ever played a half-serious tennis match will confirm that.

 

[Rattie]

Now that is very cute.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1525894515969691648

 

[TripleATeam]

I'm sorry, I adored Guga, but how can you even mention them in the same sentence? The Brazilian does own one more RG title, but he was facing the likes of Norman and Corretja, and his window of excellence was very brief. Those were also his only three finals, whereas Djokovic has 6 in Paris. He also has double digit M1000 titles on clay (to Kuerten's 4) and a whopping SIX Rome titles, with TWELVE finals at the Foro Italico, which is historically the second most prestigious clay event in the world BY FAR.

I agree with you, but plenty of people think Guga's peak level makes him greater than Djokovic. There's some threads relating to that premise, you can look for them.