2022 Rome Final: [1] Novak Djokovic vs Stefanos Tsitsipas [4]

[_phantom]

lol

I hope none of the 20 users who predicted a 3-set win for Tsitsipas was left out of your lolz frenzy.

On a serious note, Tsitsipas with this kind of performance has downgraded himself to Zverev level for this year's RG draw.

 

[GabeT]

I hope none of the 20 users who predicted a 3-set win for Tsitsipas was left out of your lolz frenzy.

On a serious note, Tsitsipas with this kind of performance has downgraded himself to Zverev level for this year's RG draw.

I actually missed the match, had stuff to do. Happy for the result but can’t really comment on overall levels

 

[_phantom]

I actually missed the match, had stuff to do. Happy for the result but can’t really comment on overall levels

Except first 6 games in the second set, it was like Zverev in Madrid final. Or worse.

Zverev at least had an excuse.

 

[Kralingen]

Now that is very cute.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1525894515969691648

Kid certainly inherited his Dad’s hair genes.. lol

 

[LeungD]

I actually missed the match, had stuff to do. Happy for the result but can’t really comment on overall levels

Don't forget to report yourself for trolling.

 

[Aabye5]

I have him 4th. Strong case for 3rd though.

One more RG would you have Djokovic over Borg?

Nope, but definitely over Lendl.

 

[Blahovic]

Definitely has a case. However, I think the consensus for most is that Lendl (and/or Kuerten) is still ahead. Some would even put Lendl ahead if Djokovic wins another RG, but I would personally put Novak at 3rd in that case.

Djokovic is #3 and Federer is #4. I'm not having that Lendl or Kuerten or whoever was better than Federer or Djokovic, they'd all get dominated by Nadal.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

I have him 4th. Strong case for 3rd though.

One more RG would you have Djokovic over Borg?

No way can Djokovic be over Borg with 3 versus 6 FOs. Not even to mention that he never ever came anywhere near the level of dominance which Borg showed on clay.

 

[Rosstour]

Kid certainly inherited his Dad’s hair genes.. lol

Stefan looks more like Srdjan than Novak does

 

[guanzishou]

What?????

They played Go West song for the trophy ceremony???

And Novak sang along with it... he was singing "When the skies are blue"

That is EPICCCC !!!!!

I'm always in tears when I listen to this song, because I first heard the song during the most dramatic turnaround in my life... the song changed me and motivated me to have a brighter future after such a dark chapter of my life.



Come on, come on, come on, come on
(Together) we will go our way
(Together) we will leave someday
(Together) your hand in my hands
(Together) we will make our plans
(Together) we will fly so high
(Together) tell all our friends goodbye
(Together) we will start life new
(Together) this is what we'll do
life is peaceful there
(Go west) in the open air
(Go west) where the skies are blue
(Go west) this is what we're gonna do
(Go west, this is what we're gonna do, go west)
we will love the beach
(Together) we will learn and teach
(Together) change our pace of life
(Together) we will work and strive
I know you love me
(I want you) how could I disagree?
(So that's why) I make no protest
(When you say) you will do the rest
life is peaceful there
(Go west) in the open air
(Go west) baby you and me
(Go west) this is our destiny (aah)
(Go west) sun in wintertime
(Go west) we will do just fine
(Go west) where the skies are blue
(Go west, this is what we're gonna do)
There where the air is free
We'll be (we'll be) what we want to be (ah, ah, ah, ah)
Now if we make a stand (ah)
We'll find (we'll find) our promised land (ah)
there are many ways
(To live there) in the sun or shade
(Together) we will find a place
(To settle) where there's so much space
(Without rush) and the pace back east
(The hustling) rustling just to feed
(I know I'm) ready to leave too
(So that's what) we are gonna do
(What we're gonna do is)
life is peaceful there
(Go west) there in the open air
(Go west) where the skies are blue
(Go west) this is what we're gonna do
(Life is peaceful there)
Go west (in the open air)
Go west (baby, you and me)
Go west (this is our destiny)
Come on, come on, come on, come on
(Go west) sun in wintertime
(Go west) we will feel just fine
(Go west) where the skies are blue
(Go west) this is what we're gonna do
(Come on, come on, come on)

 

[GabeT]

when tennis analysis is simply not your thing

I am sensing a tank from Faker in this set

 

[GabeT]

posters here can’t predict the next 5 minutes of a match in play but then try to predict matches that never happened

Lol a breadstick incoming for Djokovic?

The Italian bakery is open.

 

[GabeT]

Djokovic looks so meek and defensive, totally no manhood whatsoever

Oh, there you are!

 

[Kralingen]

posters here can’t predict the next 5 minutes of a match in play but then try to predict matches that never happened

Well it was 4-1 Tsitsipas and he had BP for 5-1 when I posted that. I mean, it could have gone either way, but I wasn't just saying that.

On another note, Gabe, I have to say that the constant gravedigging and bumping of old posts after a win is extremely lame. There are better ways to enjoy your guy's success than this.

 

[GabeT]

Well it was 4-1 Tsitsipas and he had BP when I posted that. I mean, it could have gone either way, but I wasn't just saying that.

On another note, Gabe, I have to say that the constant gravedigging and bumping of old posts after a win is extremely lame. There are better ways to enjoy your guy's success than this.

I don’t know, are there really better ways? I thought trolling old posts was TTW’s main attraction

 

[EzekielTennis]

What?????

They played Go West song for the trophy ceremony???

And Novak sang along with it... he was singing "When the skies are blue"

That is EPICCCC !!!!!

I'm always in tears when I listen to this song, because I first heard the song during the most dramatic turnaround in my life... the song changed me and motivated me to have a brighter future after such a dark chapter of my life.



Come on, come on, come on, come on
(Together) we will go our way
(Together) we will leave someday
(Together) your hand in my hands
(Together) we will make our plans
(Together) we will fly so high
(Together) tell all our friends goodbye
(Together) we will start life new
(Together) this is what we'll do
life is peaceful there
(Go west) in the open air
(Go west) where the skies are blue
(Go west) this is what we're gonna do
(Go west, this is what we're gonna do, go west)
we will love the beach
(Together) we will learn and teach
(Together) change our pace of life
(Together) we will work and strive
I know you love me
(I want you) how could I disagree?
(So that's why) I make no protest
(When you say) you will do the rest
life is peaceful there
(Go west) in the open air
(Go west) baby you and me
(Go west) this is our destiny (aah)
(Go west) sun in wintertime
(Go west) we will do just fine
(Go west) where the skies are blue
(Go west, this is what we're gonna do)
There where the air is free
We'll be (we'll be) what we want to be (ah, ah, ah, ah)
Now if we make a stand (ah)
We'll find (we'll find) our promised land (ah)
there are many ways
(To live there) in the sun or shade
(Together) we will find a place
(To settle) where there's so much space
(Without rush) and the pace back east
(The hustling) rustling just to feed
(I know I'm) ready to leave too
(So that's what) we are gonna do
(What we're gonna do is)
life is peaceful there
(Go west) there in the open air
(Go west) where the skies are blue
(Go west) this is what we're gonna do
(Life is peaceful there)
Go west (in the open air)
Go west (baby, you and me)
Go west (this is our destiny)
Come on, come on, come on, come on
(Go west) sun in wintertime
(Go west) we will feel just fine
(Go west) where the skies are blue
(Go west) this is what we're gonna do
(Come on, come on, come on)

I was confused by this rendition. I thought this was Right Said Fred because the lyrics that played during the ceremony included, "Stand up for the champion."

 

[abmk]

I'm sorry, I adored Guga, but how can you even mention them in the same sentence? The Brazilian does own one more RG title, but he was facing the likes of Norman and Corretja, and his window of excellence was very brief. Those were also his only three finals, whereas Djokovic has 6 in Paris. He also has double digit M1000 titles on clay (to Kuerten's 4) and a whopping SIX Rome titles, with TWELVE finals at the Foro Italico, which is historically the second most prestigious clay event in the world BY FAR.

Kuerten beat Muster, Medvedev, Kafelnikov, Bruguera in RG 97
beat Kafelnikov, Ferrero, Norman in RG 2000
beat Kafelnikov, Ferrero, Corretja in RG 2001

you say you adored Guga, but only mention Norman and Corretja as his opponents? really?

 

[abmk]

Some of the ridiculous over-hyping of Djoko on clay as far as OE lists go in this thread makes me go ack thoo.

 

[JaxTeller]

when tennis analysis is simply not your thing

You're Spot on

 

[NeutralFan]

Some of the ridiculous over-hyping of Djoko on clay as far as OE lists go in this thread makes me go ack thoo.

Yeah, man o man please go to Hypotheticals to comfort yourself. Reality has been unkind to you from 2008AO.

 

[GabeT]

You're Spot on

It’s my greatest redeeming quality. That and my humility

 

[RS]

No way can Djokovic be over Borg with 3 versus 6 FOs. Not even to mention that he never ever came anywhere near the level of dominance which Borg showed on clay.

I would still have Borg ahead as well.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

I would still have Borg ahead as well.

Yes. There is a lot of mental gymnastics needed to put someone with 3 ahead of Someone with 6 slams. This “if it wasn’t for Nadal” argument isn’t very convincing either.

 

[RS]

Yes. There is a lot of mental gymnastics needed to put someone with 3 ahead of Someone with 6 slams. This “if it wasn’t for Nadal” argument isn’t very convincing either.

6 to 3 is still a huge gap. And Borg himself stopped playing early so the “what if” exists.

 

[Third Serve]

Yes. There is a lot of mental gymnastics needed to put someone with 3 ahead of Someone with 6 slams. This “if it wasn’t for Nadal” argument isn’t very convincing either.

“If it wasn’t for Nadal” only works if you can make a good case that Djokovic is actually as good on clay as Borg was in the first place. But he wasn’t, not all the time. In a few instances like 2013 and 2015 QF he was actually really good but then you have matches like the 2012 and 2014 finals where he was getting rekt in one before the conditions changed mid-match and just flat out wasn’t that good in the other. It’s like when people big up Murray’s Slam finals against Djokovic and Federer as evidence for his being on the level of Becker and Edberg while ignoring that Murray was only impressive in like 3-4 of them.

That said, this argument only really applies to Borg and Lendl in my opinion, guys who actually produced very high levels of clay court tennis in their eras that I don’t think Djokovic has been able to replicate in this one. Some of the others like Kuerten are probably fair game.

 

[RS]

“If it wasn’t for Nadal” only works if you can make a good case that Djokovic is actually as good on clay as Borg was in the first place. But he wasn’t, not all the time. In a few instances like 2013 and 2015 QF he was actually really good but then you have matches like the 2012 and 2014 finals where he was getting rekt in one before the conditions changed mid-match and just flat out wasn’t that good in the other. It’s like when people big up Murray’s Slam finals against Djokovic and Federer as evidence for his being on the level of Becker and Edberg while ignoring that Murray was only impressive in like 3-4 of them.

That said, this argument only really applies to Borg and Lendl in my opinion, guys who actually produced very high levels of clay court tennis in their eras that I don’t think Djokovic has been able to replicate in this one. Some of the others like Kuerten are probably fair game.

Djokovic was good in the RG 14 final. Nadal just GOATed.