2022 Wimbledon Final: [1] Novak Djokovic vs Nick Kyrgios
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I'm just expressing my sadness.
Ray Mercer
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Kyrgios has a phenomenal serve but nothing else really. His backhand shovel isn’t bad but that loopy forehand is pure garbage. The competition out there right now is the worst it’s ever been.
roysid
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Had nick won those two games wed have a real match, much more competitive
TennisFan3
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You're an informed poster and I'm surprised you didn't read the news that Australia no longer requires vaccination to enter the country.
So Novak will play AO 2023 and very likely win it too.
TheAssassin
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Regarding Kyrgios, not much new to say. His talent is undeniable as much as the poor on court behaviour. He showed both of those things today once more. And I am not going to buy this new bromance, for now at least. But his comments from half a year ago are certainly something to be appreciated. When it mattered the most, he showed to be more decent than many, especially that fake-humble injured person. So kudos to Nick for that, and making this a hard fought memorable final. It was one of better ones Wimbledon has had in modern era. Hopefully there is still time left for him to transform for the better, as it would be good for his sake, and for all of us who love tennis.
Now, it's only been a year since the last Major triumph. But given how much chaos got condensed in this period, from the lolympics collapse, the calendar fairytale denied, and especially all the disgraceful labeling during events down under, this Slam blackjack feels like loooooong overdue. And it feels so incredibly right. Whatever it means for the marathon race going forward who knows, but as long as this guy gets a chance to compete, he will remain to be an absolute nightmare for all his competitors. Because, at the end of the day, he is the most stunning player tennis has ever had.
And I have distanced myself as much as possible from all the wars between supporters through all the years, but this one time, after all the bottled up frustration from above mentioned setbacks, which our man has had to deal with more than anybody, I have one message. So dear witch hunters and all the haters around the world, eat, no, CHOKE on that crow. Novak Djokovic will always return, whether you like it or not!
Now, it's only been a year since the last Major triumph. But given how much chaos got condensed in this period, from the lolympics collapse, the calendar fairytale denied, and especially all the disgraceful labeling during events down under, this Slam blackjack feels like loooooong overdue. And it feels so incredibly right. Whatever it means for the marathon race going forward who knows, but as long as this guy gets a chance to compete, he will remain to be an absolute nightmare for all his competitors. Because, at the end of the day, he is the most stunning player tennis has ever had.
And I have distanced myself as much as possible from all the wars between supporters through all the years, but this one time, after all the bottled up frustration from above mentioned setbacks, which our man has had to deal with more than anybody, I have one message. So dear witch hunters and all the haters around the world, eat, no, CHOKE on that crow. Novak Djokovic will always return, whether you like it or not!
THUNDERVOLLEY
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Hmmm...Djokovic, with his superior talent has surpassed Federer in the majors count, just as many believed he would years ago. The worst of Federer's obsessed cultists are now moving the goal posts once again, with the expected:
- "It am not same beezcuz Novak competition not am same, capiche?"
- "Russian players were banned, so this is not a legitimate Wimbledon!!"
- "The Master Federer--dats whoze he iss!!! No! No Djokovkic or Nadal!"
- ...and the ever-historically coded "Fed am Golden Eagle! He be am pure!"
Sudacafan
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Different thing. Djokovic could have done something almost everyone did to participate, Medvedev had no choice.
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i thought he was technically banned for 3 years? not that they won’t lift it but
they haven’t yet
romeo8880
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MOST people who watch the sport still rank Federer above Djokovic.
Niekotokio
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How many times has Medvedev been in WB final?
TennisFan3
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That's just a clause in fine print and no one cares. They said they would allow Novak in the country should the situation change.
The situation has ALREADY CHANGED. And the previous government was also booted out.
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3-1 was a perfect prediction. Congratulations:
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What a magnificent performance. Nick was redlining on serve the whole time and couldn't even force a fifth set. Some of those returns today were absolute poetry. Fitting of one of Wimbledon's finest ever champions, and quite possibly the greatest player that ever picked up a racquet. As a fan of Rafa, I have been blown away once more by this guy's brilliance.
Ole ole ole oleee
Noleeeeeeeeeee
Noleeeeeeeeeee
Congratulations. And go get more Wimbledon trophies, hombre.
Ole ole ole oleee
Noleeeeeeeeeee
Noleeeeeeeeeee
Congratulations. And go get more Wimbledon trophies, hombre.
i mean to be honest what else would it be lol
Well, you know...... I'm NOT a "Federer cultist," or an anything else cultist, but to a degree, the absence of Medvedev does shave just a little off of this win. We missed Nadal, of course, but the odds are against him beating Djokovic on grass, anyway.
ACE of Hearts
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Let’s not get ahead of ourselves just yet.
ACE of Hearts
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Based on what exactly?
bitcoinoperated
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He hit ground stroke sitters left and right today. Also went to stupid low percentage shots when there was no real reason to go for them.
ACE of Hearts
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I think nadal even with a slow serve would have beaten kyrgios. Lol .
Sudacafan
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Wrong reasoning. You are factoring probability, we are discussing the essence of the issue.
Djokovic spoiled his chance on ignorance. The funny thing is that he still has chances.
Biotic
Hall of Fame
Maybe, maybe not. No gear can help you when the opponent is servebotting like Kyrgios was for the most part. But his return game is just very average, Djoko's A game on serve wasn't really needed. Surprisingly, i think it was overall a better effort than 2021 Berrettini.
RS
Bionic Poster
Out of 10?
romeo8880
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Watching tennis and using common sense. People rank both of them above Nadal Bc the average fan sees Nadal as a clay courter.
chrischris
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Nice to see both guys play hard and respect each other.
acintya
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Nadal is so much better of a mover - now im kinda sad he couldnt make it.
Nicks serve is superb but i really dont see nothing special in his groundstrokes.
that loopy forehand needs a lot time to set up to kick ass. i think he would be better of with a more compact forehand - something like Sinners.
Medvedev - Tiafoe - Kyrgios - Kachanov etc. all have this weird old school sampras motion with modern twist to it. They need more preparation time, so there is also more mishits - as you have seen if you carefuly watched Kyrgios.
YES he can smack the ball - but he needs a lot od time due the un-compactness of his stroke.
and the backhand?its just a showel - nothing spectacular.
I pick Nadal over Kyrgios anyday in ANY tournament.
Basically im starting to change my opinion about Kyrgios. His serve rocks,everything else is mediocre and his fitness also. Alcaraz is my new hope. If Alcaraz had Kyrgios serve he would probably win next 20 slams.
Nicks serve is superb but i really dont see nothing special in his groundstrokes.
that loopy forehand needs a lot time to set up to kick ass. i think he would be better of with a more compact forehand - something like Sinners.
Medvedev - Tiafoe - Kyrgios - Kachanov etc. all have this weird old school sampras motion with modern twist to it. They need more preparation time, so there is also more mishits - as you have seen if you carefuly watched Kyrgios.
YES he can smack the ball - but he needs a lot od time due the un-compactness of his stroke.
and the backhand?its just a showel - nothing spectacular.
I pick Nadal over Kyrgios anyday in ANY tournament.
Basically im starting to change my opinion about Kyrgios. His serve rocks,everything else is mediocre and his fitness also. Alcaraz is my new hope. If Alcaraz had Kyrgios serve he would probably win next 20 slams.
TennisFan3
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What do you mean? He will play and he will likely win.
The past year has shown that outside of Nadal@RG - no one can beat Novak at slams.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Good time for a reminder of why Djokovic is the GOAT:
# of tier 1 events won:
1- Djoko: 64 (21 slams + 5 ATP Finals + 38 masters)
2- Nadal: 58 + OG (22 slams + 0 ATP Finals + 36 masters )
3- Fed: 54 (20 slams + 6 ATP Finals + 28 masters)
Advantage Djoko as well in terms of versatility. He's won every one of the 14 main events at least twice: 9 AO, 7 W, 6 Miami, 6 Rome, 6 Paris, 5 ATP finals, 5 IW, 4 Canada, 4 1st fall master, 3 USO, 3 3rd clay master, 2 RG, 2 M-C and 2 Cincy
By contrast, Fed has only 1 RG, 1 Paris master and 0 M-C, 0 Rome.
Nadal is the least versatile with only 1 Cincy, 1 1st fall master and 0 WTF, 0 Miami and 0 Paris master.
Nadal is also the most specialized with double digit titles in his 3 fav events ( 14 RG, 11 M-C and 10 Rome, max at same tier 1 event is 9 for Djoko, 8 for Fed)
Fed is the only one of the 3 that has not done the career slam twice (only 1 RG) but both Fed and Djoko have 3+ titles at 3 slams out of the 4 while Nadal has only 2 at 2 of the slams.
Djoko is the only one who's achieved the 4 in a row.
Who would have thought that Fed would end up with the least slams? Wasn't Nadal the one whose body was supposed to break down early while Fed's "ballerina" style would guarantee him eternal longevity and glory? Ha ha. Sorry Fed fans, you got owned
Djoko dominates again in terms of ranking:
1- Djoko: 373 weeks at #1, 7 year ends at #1 (absolute record in both)
2- Fed: 310 weeks, 5 year ends
3- Nadal: 209 weeks, 5 year ends
The morality of the story is: slow and steady wins the race.
All hail the GOAT ! Well done Novak ! also huge congrats for sticking to his beliefs. Maybe integrity wins the race too (to be continued...)
# of tier 1 events won:
1- Djoko: 64 (21 slams + 5 ATP Finals + 38 masters)
2- Nadal: 58 + OG (22 slams + 0 ATP Finals + 36 masters )
3- Fed: 54 (20 slams + 6 ATP Finals + 28 masters)
Advantage Djoko as well in terms of versatility. He's won every one of the 14 main events at least twice: 9 AO, 7 W, 6 Miami, 6 Rome, 6 Paris, 5 ATP finals, 5 IW, 4 Canada, 4 1st fall master, 3 USO, 3 3rd clay master, 2 RG, 2 M-C and 2 Cincy
By contrast, Fed has only 1 RG, 1 Paris master and 0 M-C, 0 Rome.
Nadal is the least versatile with only 1 Cincy, 1 1st fall master and 0 WTF, 0 Miami and 0 Paris master.
Nadal is also the most specialized with double digit titles in his 3 fav events ( 14 RG, 11 M-C and 10 Rome, max at same tier 1 event is 9 for Djoko, 8 for Fed)
Fed is the only one of the 3 that has not done the career slam twice (only 1 RG) but both Fed and Djoko have 3+ titles at 3 slams out of the 4 while Nadal has only 2 at 2 of the slams.
Djoko is the only one who's achieved the 4 in a row.
Who would have thought that Fed would end up with the least slams?
Wasn't Nadal the one whose body was supposed to break down early while Fed's "ballerina" style would guarantee him eternal longevity and glory? Ha ha. Sorry Fed fans, you got owned Djoko dominates again in terms of ranking:
1- Djoko: 373 weeks at #1, 7 year ends at #1 (absolute record in both)
2- Fed: 310 weeks, 5 year ends
3- Nadal: 209 weeks, 5 year ends
The morality of the story is: slow and steady wins the race.
All hail the GOAT ! Well done Novak !
also huge congrats for sticking to his beliefs. Maybe integrity wins the race too (to be continued...)
No they don't unless they are Federer fans. Even if Novak was to win 25 slams and hold every other record Roger fans would still say Roger was better lol
NuBas
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Good time for a reminder of why Djokovic is the GOAT:
# of tier 1 events won:
1- Djoko: 64 (21 slams + 5 ATP Finals + 38 masters)
2- Nadal: 58 + OG (22 slams + 0 ATP Finals + 36 masters )
3- Fed: 54 (20 slams + 6 ATP Finals + 28 masters)
Advantage Djoko as well in terms of versatility. He's won every one of the 14 main events at least twice: 9 AO, 7 W, 6 Miami, 6 Rome, 6 Paris, 5 ATP finals, 5 IW, 4 Canada, 4 1st fall master, 3 USO, 3 3rd clay master, 2 RG, 2 M-C and 2 Cincy
By contrast, Fed has only 1 RG, 1 Paris master and 0 M-C, 0 Rome.
Nadal is the least versatile with only 1 Cincy, 1 1st fall master and 0 WTF, 0 Miami and 0 Paris master.
Nadal is also the most specialized with double digit titles in his 3 fav events ( 14 RG, 11 M-C and 10 Rome, max at same tier 1 event is 9 for Djoko, 8 for Fed)
Fed is the only one of the 3 that has not done the career slam twice (only 1 RG) but both Fed and Djoko have 3+ titles at 3 slams out of the 4 while Nadal has only 2 at 2 of the slams.
Djoko is the only one who's achieved the 4 in a row.
Who would have thought that Fed would end up with the least slams?
Djoko dominates again in terms of ranking:
1- Djoko: 373 weeks at #1, 7 year ends at #1 (absolute record in both)
2- Fed: 310 weeks, 5 year ends
3- Nadal: 209 weeks, 5 year ends
The morality of the story is: slow and steady wins the race.
All hail the GOAT ! Well done Novak !
I like Federer because his playing style looks effortless and plus he uses a one handed backhand and played with a small frame for majority of his career. But no doubt Djokovic is great. Nadal also has lefty advantage added to the RG titles, so not as impressive.
To be fair Medvedev has done nothing major on grass yet at Wimbledon and also he has not been playing anywhere near as well as 2021 since he lost the Australian open final
ACE of Hearts
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Federer lost a bunch of important matches against him . Federer could have won those matches and you can’t tell he was past his prime.
romeo8880
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Well that’s your opinion but you’re in the minority. Just telling you if there was a world wide poll that every single person voted in FEDERER would be voted on as the best tennis player of all time. Djokovic would be second. Nadal would be a distant third or possibly even worse than 3rd.
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Fed881981
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That’s the most amazing part.Who would have thought that Fed would end up with the least slams?
Fed spent 4.5 years without a slam. That’s 18 slams in a row that he didn’t win. He was mostly in the first half of his 30s. This is where Djokovic and Nadal did better, and now they have passed him.
He also spent 2.5 years (January 2010-July 2012) with no slam. He was ~ 29-31 years old.
Fed missed many opportunities during his younger years.
Technology Ruined Tennis
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Nick played about as well as one could hope. I don't remember him screaming at his box this often in the past? Fake-out under-arm was sublime.
Quite similar to the 2012 final with the loser playing in their first Wimby final. Especially the triple game-pointerer appearance turning the tide in both matches.
Quite similar to the 2012 final with the loser playing in their first Wimby final. Especially the triple game-pointerer appearance turning the tide in both matches.
You’ve got to be kidding. If you showed everyone in the world the stats (GS victories, weeks at #1, YE#1, Masters 1000s, etc.), it’s obvious that the debate for #1 is between Nadal and Djokovic (give that Grand Slams are the most important factor). Federer is now a solid third in the eternal GOAT debate. BTW, I like them all and even my friends who are diehard Fed fans acknowledge that Fed is #3 and out of contention for GOAThood.
Omega_7000
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You have to provide context. Fed had broken all records and probably wasn't as motivated as someone chasing a record.
Fed also probably assumed like the rest of us that there has to be someone that steps up from the next gen to stop Djokodal. Well three generations later we're still waiting for the longest dry spell in tennis history to end.
Fed881981
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Fed was super motivated, and I don’t think that he trusted the next generation to save his record. He just didn’t win.
Grand Slam #16: January 2010
Grand Slam #18: January 2017
7 years with two slams only!
He lost way too many matches. He definitely was motivated at Wimbledon 2014, 2015 and… 2019. He just ended up losing all of these. I can also add USO 2015 final.
During his 20s, he let Nadal beat him too many times on clay (fair enough), but he also lost to him at Wimbledon 2008 and AO 2009.
During his 30s, he let Djokovic and others beat him too many times too, including his favorite slam.
I Am Finnish
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Kyrgios played better than I thought I think he was better than Berrettini last year
PrinceMoron
Legend
Hard to tell what Nick’s game plan was.
He just played like he always does.
Undone by some stupid FH slaps at the ball in the tiebreak.
A couple of too careful FHs he rolled into the net
Got distracted by a child calling out when serving.
Arguing with his box when he lost the point after hitting a big shot.
Slightly late getting to a few dropshots
Lots of very slow Novak serves went unpunished.
Could not return body serves
At least 3 FHs that he did not prepare for.
He did well at the net.
Novak’s returns were less deep that usual due to Nick’s pace.
He held it together reasonably well
But did not take advantage of the openings he made.
That is just how it looked courtside
He just played like he always does.
Undone by some stupid FH slaps at the ball in the tiebreak.
A couple of too careful FHs he rolled into the net
Got distracted by a child calling out when serving.
Arguing with his box when he lost the point after hitting a big shot.
Slightly late getting to a few dropshots
Lots of very slow Novak serves went unpunished.
Could not return body serves
At least 3 FHs that he did not prepare for.
He did well at the net.
Novak’s returns were less deep that usual due to Nick’s pace.
He held it together reasonably well
But did not take advantage of the openings he made.
That is just how it looked courtside
romeo8880
G.O.A.T.
Well you are showing your extremely novice view of the sport then. Nadal is a CLEAR #3 for most fans
I think we know who the novice is here. LOL. In no universe are either Nadal or Djokovic third best. That spot is now firmly owned by Federer.
BTW - I’ve been watching tennis since the late 1970s, played it since the early 1980s, have attended every Grand Slam at least once, and love the sport. I am the furthest thing from “extremely novice view of the sport.” It is evident that you are biased and not objective. I look at facts/data and nothing else to guide my decisions.
Federer had his chances to cement GOAT but he didn’t close the deal. He should have beaten Djokovic at least three times in Grand Slams but did not. At the end of the day, his 10 - 21 record against Nadal/Djokovic in Grand Slam tournaments was his failing. You can’t win only ten times out of 31 matches and be considered the GOAT.
enishi1357
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Federer might now be the #3 of all time but he's still better looking than nadal or djokovic 5 years older. Nadal looked ragged and Djokovic like he took dieting too extreme.
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