2022 Wimbledon QF: Novak Djokovic vs. Jannik Sinner

[mike danny]

And Federer fans like you believe that Roddick was a "worthy" rival for his idol with the head to head 21 to 3 in favor of the Swiss and an 8 to 0 in GS tournaments, the last one well remembered for the choke of the American.

Wimb 2004 and Wimb 2009 are better efforts from Roddick than any of the Next Gen's vs Djokodal. Looks like it will stay that way.

 

[Mainad]

Most NextGenners can't seem to handle Bo5. They're good for 2 sets but asking them to win a 3rd seems a step too much for them.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Most NextGenners can't seem to handle Bo5. They're good for 2 sets but asking them to win a 3rd seems a step too much for them.

Pathetic is the word to use.

 

[Aabye5]

Wimb 2004 and Wimb 2009 are better efforts from Roddick than any of the Next Gen's vs Djokodal. Looks like it will stay that way.

Certainly they were better matches, but you will recall that grass was likely Roddick's best surface.

Sinner played Djokovic on Nole's favorite court, and his own worst surface.

 

[Aabye5]

But we have seen 21 year olds beat the best in the past.

How often has it happened on their worst surface?

 

[Mainad]

Pathetic is the word to use.

It actually makes me concerned for the future of Bo5. Already it's been phased out everywhere except at the Slams and, as soon as the Old Guard finally hang up their racquets, I fear the newer generation of players will put pressure on to reduce even the Slams to Bo3. It doesn't bode well.

 

[Aabye5]

I agree with everything you said. Although Medvedev belongs in that list as well. His win against Novak was a massive fluke. His real mental ability was shown in the AO final.

There are no flukes. He won that match, because Nole had a long year. Not Med's problem.

 

[Aabye5]

I'm disappointed that there was no bagel or bread stick in last three sets. It was one way traffic but Sinner managed to lose with respectable scoreline.

Because he's better than the TTW mugs give him credit for...

 

[Sudacafan]

Your right not to... I think he played great. Novak was just better..

 

[Krish0608]

There are no flukes. He won that match, because Nole had a long year. Not Med's problem.

Yeah it’s legit. But it’ll always be viewed like Thiem’s USO. Especially because of his AO choke.

 

[Sudacafan]

Yeah it’s legit. But it’ll always be viewed like Thiem’s USO. Especially because of his AO choke.

USO 20 also ended with a choke for Nole, but not precisely his.

 

[Aabye5]

Yeah it’s legit. But it’ll always be viewed like Thiem’s USO. Especially because of his AO choke.

No, Thiem's USO was more problematic. Among other things, he was not playing the big 3. And yet the score would make you think it was a big battle. He couldn't even take advantage of a bigger choker than himself.

Med, on the other hand, still had to actually close the door on Nole, even if it was a beaten up and weary Nole.

 

[dking68]

A lot of positives for young Sinner, from not winning a match prior to this edition of Wimbledon to taking 2 sets of the defending champion, there’s no shame.

 

[Deleted member 765728]

No, Thiem's USO was more problematic. Among other things, he was not playing the big 3. And yet the score would make you think it was a big battle. He couldn't even take advantage of a bigger choker than himself.

Med, on the other hand, still had to actually close the door on Nole, even if it was a beaten up and weary Nole.

Yeah, no matter what people think of Med (and I was very disappointed with his attitude in the fourth set against Nadal at the AO), his performance against Novak was incredible, had a clear plan and was clutch all the way and never blinked.

 

[RS]

Wimb 2004 and Wimb 2009 are better efforts from Roddick than any of the Next Gen's vs Djokodal. Looks like it will stay that way.

Federer can always count on you to have his back.

 

[mightyrick]

Most NextGenners can't seem to handle Bo5. They're good for 2 sets but asking them to win a 3rd seems a step too much for them.

It isn't their fault. The older guys were raised playing best-of-five in the Masters and Year-End Championship. But in the latest era, nobody has to play best-of-five except in slams... which is a joke in my opinion. The younger guys get absolutely zero experience playing best-of-five outside of slams. And that experience is critical. I actually think the lack of exposure to best-of-five is one of the reasons that the younger gen players have had difficulty breaking through in slams. Very little best-of-five experience.

And let's face it... playing best-of-five in practice against a hitting partner is nowhere near the kind of test required to learn how to handle the pressure and hold your level.

 

[StrongerThanAll]

Djokovic with a whole lot of WImbledons won in years where there wasn't anyone else who even wanted to try and win it.

 

[DSH]

Wimb 2004 and Wimb 2009 are better efforts from Roddick than any of the Next Gen's vs Djokodal. Looks like it will stay that way.

You yourself said it before with Sinner's performance: efforts but no results.
Roddick would have liked to have won one of those finals but he didn't, despite having an unbeatable chance in 2009.
The American failed miserably.

 

[Kralingen]

Djokovic with a whole lot of WImbledons won in years where there wasn't anyone else who even wanted to try and win it.

Quite an insult to the guy in your avatar there lol

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Quite an insult to the guy in your avatar there lol

You keep them truth bombs coming! Haha

 

[mike danny]

You yourself said it before with Sinner's performance: efforts but no results.
Roddick would have liked to have won one of those finals but he didn't, despite having an unbeatable chance in 2009.
The American failed miserably.

It's worse not having results against mid 30's Djokodal than prime Federer.

 

[dking68]

I think Sinner will win Wimbledon in 2-3 years

 

[mike danny]

Federer can always count on you to have his back.

Am I wrong?

 

[TheNachoMan]

I think Sinner will win Wimbledon in 2-3 years

Sinner will have a greater legacy at Wimbledon than Roddick.

 

[mike danny]

How often has it happened on their worst surface?

Is this really Sinner's worst surface?

 

[mike danny]

Certainly they were better matches, but you will recall that grass was likely Roddick's best surface.

Sinner played Djokovic on Nole's favorite court, and his own worst surface.

At the same time Roddick also played Federer at the latter's best slam and surface. Sinner didn't play Djokovic at the AO.

 

[dking68]

Is this really Sinner's worst surface?

I’m wondering the same

 

[Tennfan123]

Sinner can recover. It’s still early days for him and the hype is less now Carlitos is around.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

There are no flukes. He won that match, because Nole had a long year. Not Med's problem.

Yes he deserves his slam but he needs to show more against the top guns.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

I think Sinner will win Wimbledon in 2-3 years

All these mugs will win when Nadal and novak retire.

 

[antony]

Well done, Novak

 

[Aabye5]

At the same time Roddick also played Federer at the latter's best slam and surface. Sinner didn't play Djokovic at the AO.

But Djokovic still has a commanding 6 Wimbledons? That's almost as many as Sampras.

Roddick never played Federer at the French Open. I doubt it would be as close.

 

[mike danny]

But Djokovic still has a commanding 6 Wimbledons? That's almost as many as Sampras.

Roddick never played Federer at the French Open. I doubt it would be as close.

Djokovic at Wimb is still not Djokovic at the AO. It's not a like for like comparison.

 

[Tennfan123]

Djokovic’s six Wimbledons mean we should give Sampras another 3 titles so things look proper and right. But not Federer because he and Djokovic played in the same era.

 

[Aabye5]

I think Sinner will win Wimbledon in 2-3 years

Maybe. I think he is in the mix for the US Open this year.

 

[Aabye5]

Djokovic at Wimb is still not Djokovic at the AO. It's not a like for like comparison.

He still damn good at Wimbledon. Don't dismiss that, just because it hurts your feelings as a Fed fan.

 

[brinkeguthrie]

I just now caught the score. Can't believe he blew a 2-0 lead. Hall of Fame choke.

 

[dking68]

I just now caught the score. Can't believe he blew a 2-0 lead. Hall of Fame choke.

He didn’t choke, you clearly didn’t watch the match.

 

[GabeT]

He didn’t choke, you clearly didn’t watch the match.

Yeah, there was no choke. Novak just raised his level

 

[alinefx]

Guys, Sinner is not even 21 yet. The guy on the other side of the net has a huge experience of big slam matches. Allow the boy some time to mature !

20 year old Marat Safin destroyed Sampras in straights at the 2000 USO F. This social Media obsessed nextgen is trash.

 

[Aabye5]

20 year old Marat Safin destroyed Sampras in straights at the 2000 USO F. This social Media obsessed nextgen is trash.

And Andre destroyed 20-year-old Federer.

Who had the better career, at the end of the day? Safin or Federer?

 

[dking68]

And Andre destroyed 20-year-old Federer.

Who had the better career, at the end of the day? Safin or Federer?

It’s not about how you start or how much you achieve at a certain age. It’s how you finish. Kyrgios beat nadal at 19, and what has he achieved?

 

[Deleted member 765728]

He didn’t choke, you clearly didn’t watch the match.

True, he didn't have even a half a chance after the second set. And he did dig pretty deep to get out of the abyss after being a break down in the first (had to save a BP if I recall, too).

Still, a bit disappointing that he couldn't match Novak as soon as he raised his game (decreased the unforced errors and started serving really big).

 

[Aabye5]

Is this really Sinner's worst surface?

For now? Yes.

 

[dking68]

True, he didn't have even a half a chance after the second set. And he did dig pretty deep to get out of the abyss after being a break down in the first (had to save a BP if I recall, too).

Still, a bit disappointing that he couldn't match Novak as soon as he raised his game (decreased the unforced errors and started serving really big).

It’s his 8th match in his career on grass. He will figure out a way to win soon, I anticipate he’s the next multiple WB winner after Novak

 

[Deleted member 765728]

It’s his 8th match in his career on grass. He will figure out a way to win soon, I anticipate he’s the next multiple WB winner after Novak

He surprised me with the level he's been playing on during this Wimbledon, didn't expect such a serve - return performance. And he's been moving quite well on the surface, so he definitely has a potential.
However, until I see him really achieving something significant, won't keep my hopes up. Don't really trust these kids anymore, lol.

 

[GabeT]

I still stand by my Djokovic in 5 prediction. No matter what happens.

Some people just know!

 

[dking68]

He surprised me with the level he's been playing on during this Wimbledon, didn't expect such a serve - return performance. And he's been moving quite well on the surface, so he definitely has a potential.
However, until I see him really achieving something significant, won't keep my hopes up. Don't really trust these kids anymore, lol.

I think hes gonna go deep deep at US open, possibly even win it

 

[bluetrain4]

A lot of positives for young Sinner, from not winning a match prior to this edition of Wimbledon to taking 2 sets of the defending champion, there’s no shame.

I think there's some shame - not making any of the last three sets competitive. But, overall big picture, there's a lot of positives.

 

[mahatma]

A tight 5 setter with Djokovic eventually prevailing.

Oh I was thinking that I called this on Monday. Thanks to @Aabye5 and @Impressario for reminding where I predicted this by liking