2022 Wimbledon QF: Novak Djokovic vs. Jannik Sinner
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alinefx
Rookie
And Andre destroyed 20-year-old Federer.
Who had the better career, at the end of the day? Safin or Federer?
Andre only managed 1 Masters win against Fed when Fed was out of the Top 20. And Andre did to Fed what Sampras should have done to Fed at the same stage 2 months earlier at WC. Considering Pete was 5 years younger than Novak is today (and only 9 years older than Safin @ USO 2000, 6 less than Novak is from Sinner), and the fact that WC was his turf, its even more shameful than nextgen is so pathetic.
Andre was also able to defend his second hardcourt home (after AO) better than Sampras was able to his grass turf.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Shoulda Coulda Woulda! Someone give sinner a participation trophy for taking two sets off novak. Seriously this has been the story for these youngins for how long now? They will be known for their inability to end the djokonadal era with their game.
Tennis_dude101
Professional
Sinner was a boy trying to complete a man's job...
mike danny
Bionic Poster
More like Federer played in Djokovic's era but not the other way around.Djokovic’s six Wimbledons mean we should give Sampras another 3 titles so things look proper and right. But not Federer because he and Djokovic played in the same era.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Your comparison is faulty, simple as that. Roddick played Fed at the latter's best slam. Sinner didn't with Djokovic. Fed is pretty damn good at the USO too and Roddick played him there too.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
But 20 year old Fed had beaten Sampras on the big stage before that.And Andre destroyed 20-year-old Federer.
Who had the better career, at the end of the day? Safin or Federer?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Aren't people saying how awesome he played? So you can't have it both ways.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
There are always positives with no payoff.
Tennfan123
Legend
I agree. I was making fun of the notions that they were in the same era their whole careers.
Winners or Errors
Legend
Still waiting for him to become a man. I was hoping it'd be yesterday. Man, if he'd just realize he doesn't have to do anything other than play his normal game to beat Djoker, he'd win. Started pressing and the errors, tactical miscues, and just plain brain-farts came in droves... Very disappointed. I thought he could do it.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Two, consecutive generations of failures (with few exceptions) against 3 players. Three.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Sure, you can. Is clay Fed's worst surface? How well has he played on it?
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
But Agassi was also there. You can't just ignore him, in this case.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I'm not saying Fed was made of stern stuff but he pulled the kid of upset the Next Gen could only dream of pulling.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
We are talking about at 20 years old. Don't change the subject. That would be a very sneaky thing to do.
Fed lost to Agassi in straights at 20.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Sure, but he also got his butt handed to him in straights. So he won one of the matches, and went down in straights in the other. And he played Pete on his favorite surface, as well.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Which was also Pete's best surface.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
No, it's not faulty. If Roddick had played Roger even once at RG, we could have this discussion. But Roddick was not good enough to get there.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
But Roddick played Fed at the USO, the other slam where Fed was strong.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Yes, but in this case Novak has a decided advantage. That's the part you are missing.
If this was a hard court (which is Novak's best surface AND Jannik's best surface), this would be a different conversation entirely.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
But not on his own (Roddick's) WORST surface. That's what you are missing.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
But Fed was just an almost 20 year old who was playing on Center Court for the very first time. He didn't have a favorite surface then yet. Pete had just as massive of an advantage.
And Djokovic routines Sinner on HC. Grass can help the big hitter tee on better.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
It's too early to say grass is Sinner's weakest surface.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Fed did have a favorite surface then, and he had already played Wimbledon 4 times.
Sinner has only played Wimbledon twice before, including qualifiers.
ElChivoEspañol
Hall of Fame
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
No, it's not. At this point in his career, it is his weakest surface. That may change.
Even Rafa's worst Slam tournament has changed.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
But yet you already proclaim grass was 20 year old Fed's best surface.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
But he'd never played on Center Court let alone against someone like Pete. It's not just the surface, Sinner would still lose to Djokovic irrespective of the surface.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
No, that's an excuse. Surface experience is at least as important as playing on a particular court. Both are important.
By the way, Sinner had not played on Centre Court either. So - neither Roger nor Jannik had played on Centre. But one of them had more experience.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
He had won the junior event at Wimbledon in '98, and he had made the quarterfinals at Halle in 2001. If you want to argue that Carpet or Hard were his better surfaces at the time, fair enough. But he was known to be very dangerous on grass already.
Jannik has nothing even close to that so far.
Airspun
Hall of Fame
Yes he is
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Just one of those weird matches on both sides. Not great on both sides but novak doing just enough.
sportsfan1
Legend
Coming into the sf, Sinner had an easy draw and now has the step up in level to djoko. He could at least help raz or med a little by extending the match.
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