2022 Wimbledon R128: [1] Novak Djokovic vs Soonwoo Kwon

Your prediction:


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Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
True. Let's see how the UsOpen pans out.
I think 3 other big factors for the slam race:
  • Can Nadal win another slam? If Nadal gets to 23, Novak's job is all the more harder. He might NOT win the slam race then even if plays UsOpen/AO.
  • What about Alcaraz? Will he be a factor in 2023/2024? Novak counts on himself for longevity and expects to play LONGER than Nadal and win more slams. But if Alcaraz starts to GOAT, Novak's chances go down.
  • Will Novak win Wimbledon 2022? Seems like a powder puff draw and slam dunk. But if Novak does NOT win Wimbledon 2022, the race is over, especially if Nadal wins it.
All in all, this is a critical time for Novak. But if he wins Wimbledon 2022, Nadal doesn't win a slam this year, and Alcaraz underperforms (as expected) - Novak will feel good about his slam race chances.
  • I can see Nadal winning another French Open for sure. And also possibly the USO this year with an easy draw like 2017 and with Novak out.
  • Alcaraz? He has just 1 top 10 win at a slam and that's against Tstisipas. I'm nowhere near ready to declare him a threat at winning slams.
  • Novak Wimbledon 2022? Possibly but his performance today was rusty. He has a very good chance at winning it as his draw already is opening up and it's only day 1. \
Djokovic wins this Wimbledon but is banned from the USO you'd give some fortune to Nadal there.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Damn shame Kwon is short and height is wasted on people like Philosopher and ChainZ and a bunch of minimal racket talent players. Kwon has some incredible strokes.

As for Djoko, he’s not going to lose here unless maybe to Rafito playing with numbed footsies.
If Diego was half a foot taller, he'd be winning majors I guess?
 
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Deleted member 629564

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Meanwhile @Enceladus entering TTW 'Pro Match Results' section and seeing 1R match thread has 3 times more posts than tournament thread:

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Rattie

Legend
Not an impressive showing from Djokovic although I never expected him to lose. He has time to find his form on grass given he isn’t drawn to face anyone decent in early rounds.
However….convincing he is not today. Very shaky.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
  • I can see Nadal winning another French Open for sure. And also possibly the USO this year with an easy draw like 2017 and with Novak out.
    • It's going to be hard at 37 for Nadal at French Open. He is the clay GOAT and could do it, but will he be healthy?
  • Alcaraz? He has just 1 top 10 win at a slam and that's against Tstisipas. I'm nowhere near ready to declare him a threat at winning slams.
    • 100% agree. But if Alcaraz doesn't pan out as a threat, Novak's chances go up. Coz if Nadal doesn't win a slam, Novak will.
  • Novak Wimbledon 2022? Possibly but his performance today was rusty. He has a very good chance at winning it as his draw already is opening up and it's only day 1. \
    • Absolutely. Draw opened up and he's won the last 3 titles and 5 out of last 7. SOLID favorite.
Djokovic wins this Wimbledon but is banned from the USO you'd give some fortune to Nadal there.
Good post. Mostly agree with everything. My comments in bold.

  • I can see Nadal winning another French Open for sure. And also possibly the USO this year with an easy draw like 2017 and with Novak out.
    • It's going to be hard at 37 for Nadal at French Open. He is the clay GOAT and could do it, but will he be healthy?
  • Alcaraz? He has just 1 top 10 win at a slam and that's against Tstisipas. I'm nowhere near ready to declare him a threat at winning slams.
    • 100% agree. But if Alcaraz doesn't pan out as a threat, Novak's chances go up. Coz if Nadal doesn't win a slam, Novak will.
  • Novak Wimbledon 2022? Possibly but his performance today was rusty. He has a very good chance at winning it as his draw already is opening up and it's only day 1. \
    • Absolutely. Draw opened up and he's won the last 3 titles and 5 out of last 7. SOLID favorite.
If Nadal wins UsOpen 2022 OR Novak does NOT win Wimb 2022 - Both Scenarios slam race is OVER.
But if Novak wins WImb 2022 and Nadal does NOT win UsOpen 2022 - then yeah - we are still in the hunt for the GOAT of this era..
 
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Enceladus

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Meanwhile @Enceladus entering TTW 'Pro Match Results' section and seeing 1R match thread has 3 times more posts than tournament thread:

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@dapchai
I find it unnecessary to create a match thread for each match. Until recently, there was an unwritten consensus at TTW that match threads were created for attractive match ups (ie two famous top players) and that tournament thread was used for other matches. Thanks to this, tournament threads have reached more than 60/70/80 pages in the past. Now, tournament threads are halved due to overproduction of match threads. And I don't like that.
 
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Deleted member 629564

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I find it unnecessary to create a match thread for each match. Until recently, there was an unwritten consensus at TTW that match threads were created for attractive match ups (ie two famous top players) and that tournament thread was used for other matches. Thanks to this, tournament threads have reached more than 60/70/80 pages in the past. Now, tournament threads are halved due to overproduction of match threads. And I don't like that.
TTW evolved. From single-threaded mess it became a much more tidy place with a set of dedicated threads. That's good.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
That is kind of sad. Caring about four out of 70+ tournaments a year.. Doesn't make sense..
Well it's clear as day right on this board. All the discussions revolve around the Slam count. Nobody even watches Masters tournaments anymore nor give it much thought. Years back, people were crazy for the smaller tournaments when the big 3 were all competing and fighting for everything. This is back when nobody was skipping the Masters.
 
Djokovic will need to raise his game to get to the second week. The aura and intimidation factor is gone. Kwon didn’t care one bit who he was facing.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
I know. My point is the level of tennis being played by Struff and also ADF today would have seen Djokovic on the plane home now in comparison to what Kwon had to offer.
You're mistaken if you think that. To beat the big 2, you need consistency for the duration. Struff isn't one who is going to beat Djokovic in a major. Djokovic would've adjusted and read his game. Struff would've began leaking errors as Djokovic continued keeping the ball in play and moving him around.
 

Rattie

Legend
You're mistaken if you think that. To beat the big 2, you need consistency for the duration. Struff isn't one who is going to beat Djokovic in a major. Djokovic would've adjusted and read his game. Struff would've began leaking errors as Djokovic continued keeping the ball in play and moving him around.
That is speculation.
The level of tennis played on court today by both ADF and Struff is way way higher than Kwon’s. Djokovic struggled against Kwon who had no weapons and barely held serve, so it’s fairly logical to conclude that he would have in all likelihood been at a high risk of losing R1 had he faced them.
Of course it’s all hypothetical but the bottom line is, Novak got lucky playing at that level today.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
That is speculation.
The level of tennis played on court today by both ADF and Struff is way way higher than Kwon’s. Djokovic struggled against Kwon who had no weapons and barely held serve, so it’s fairly logical to conclude that he would have in all likelihood been at a high risk of losing R1 had he faced them.
Of course it’s all hypothetical but the bottom line is, Novak got lucky if that was his level today.
So what? Novak looked like trash in many matches at Wimbledon 2018, 2019 and 2021. Yet still he brought the goods against Nadal, Federer, Berretini, etc. You really dismissing a 6 time Wimbledon champion who's won here 3 consecutive times? :-D
 

Rattie

Legend
So what? Novak looked like trash in many matches at Wimbledon 2018, 2019 and 2021. Yet still he brought the goods against Nadal, Federer, Berretini, etc. You really dismissing a 6 time Wimbledon champion who's won here 3 consecutive times? :-D
Lol no I’m not. I’m saying he got lucky playing Kwon who was nowhere near the level of the two players I’m talking about! His level today wouldn’t have seen him into round 2 against them. Today. Not what he’s done before. Today.
 

Niekotokio

Semi-Pro
Lol no I’m not. I’m saying he got lucky playing Kwon who was nowhere near the level of the two players I’m talking about! His level today wouldn’t have seen him into round 2 against them. Today. Not what he’s done before. Today.
Can you tell me how lucky was Nadal at AO2022 and RG2023. Luckiest ever
 

Rattie

Legend
Can you tell me how lucky was Nadal at AO2022 and RG2023. Luckiest ever
Because Novak wasn’t at the AO? Not really considering he hasn’t delivered his dominating level since last years WB.
No player goes on a tear forever you know. Not even Novak.
RG 2023 hasn’t happened yet.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Because Novak wasn’t at the AO? Not really considering he hasn’t delivered his dominating level since last years WB.
No player goes on a tear forever you know. Not even Novak.
RG 2023 hasn’t happened yet.

Wasn't Nadal dehydrated and basically looking ill after this five set quarter final match? I heard he had lost several pounds due to that. And he was meant to play Novak next, who is a nightmare for him even when Nadal is fully healthy and ready to go....and really who was stopping Novak from getting to the semis, Berrettini or Monfils? Nadal was lucky, but I don't blame him for taking advantage. He did what he had to do.
 
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