2022 Wimbledon R16: [5] C. Alcaraz Garfia vs [10] J. Sinner
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Poisoned Slice
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Beulah Jesus
Hall of Fame
This.
Sudacafan
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My disappointment started when Zverev broke his streak of not beating top tens at slams at his expense.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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ACE of Hearts
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Yeah man his ROS is pathetic. That has to improve but yeah maybe the hype on this kid should settle down a little. A lot of improvements need to be made. He needs to learn how to handle pace. Brainless ball bashing is not it.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
The narrative will now switch to "he would have destroyed Djokovic had he got through"
From what I've seen the defending champ is playing better than last year - only Nadal and Kyrgios have decent chances to stop him in the sort of form he showed in last couple of rounds
Lleytonstation
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@NeutralFan you can still be saved.
Great win for Sinner. PD I can't believe how biased ESPN Latin America is towards Spanish players. Always asking what "Carlitos" has to do to win the game. And the main guy is a huge Nadal fanboy
Nothing against them, but broadcasts are supposed to be neutral and focus on tennis itself.
Nothing against them, but broadcasts are supposed to be neutral and focus on tennis itself.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Ironically, Tim Van will have more chances against Djokovic than Sinner mug.
Not until Nadal loses, I’m still looking good on that one
ChaelAZ
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Sinner was 41 UE's vs. Alcz 39. Alcz only won 118 point vs. Sinner's 146 points. Again, Sinner just outplayed Alcz, but Alcz did donate quite a few, but there was pressure from Sinner on those.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Well, he will win slams eventually. Why don't you make an id bet?
Lleytonstation
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GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Krish872007
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Well someone has to eventually pick up the Slams that the Big 3 leave on the table once they are all retired
My guess is we go through a long transition period where Slams are divided up amongst several players
My guess is we go through a long transition period where Slams are divided up amongst several players
ACE of Hearts
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Let’s be honest nadal vs djokovic is the best final. Nothing else will matter. I hope we can get it. I think novak has a greater chance to get there. Nadal still has some pits.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Well, we were talking about bps and the games that Alcaraz were in. As for points won, first two sets were absolute gift and that makes the difference. In last two sets Alcaraz was nowhere second best. In 4 th set go watch he was in almost all games, had more bps , more 30-30 or 40-40. You must have watched different 4th set. In first most of the bps and 40-40 he was in rally and then stupid errors .
DariaGT
Professional
I hope so, just want to see beautiful tennis after this eyeball burning liquid excrement, almost as bad as Nadal vs Berankis
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yea look, I like Alcaraz too but Djokovic deserves more respect on this board as a grass great. Alcaraz has to earn that level of respect like he had to.
He is playing better than last year but let's not jinx it since he's about to play. Lol
I'm no Alcaraz fan, I'm just going off what I see and the numbers. He's broken 60% of games on hard courts already this year, which is slam-winning territory at just 18. He's clearly comfortable playing in the US too, and showed promise at the Open last year.
I think he'll be able to manipulate the crowd well there, particularly against someone like Medvedev, who on paper is a better contender based on past pedigree but has been ropey this year. If he meets Nadal I don't think he'll beat him but I've a feeling someone else will deal with that problem for him.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah good point lol
TVR should be a good test - arguably the man in form on grass now that Berrettini isn't playing
Omega_7000
Legend
If Alcaraz is brain dead then Sinner has a black hole in place of a brain....Today's match was Alcaraz not being able to execute his game more than Sinner outwitting his opponent
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yea his 4th round opponent will not be a pushover at all. Has to play well again today.
TennisFan3
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Sinner was there for the taking. When your opponent is nervous, you "make them play".
Instead Alcaraz tries flashy shots on all of the break points. 3 BPs lost from 0-40. Then in the final game - more BPs lost. He did NOT break even once in the match.
Sinner was trying to choke as HARD as possible - All Alcaraz had to do was keep the ball in play and make him work. Sinner would have coughed up errors and lost the set.
This is why I said Carlos is probably NOT going to win 10+ slams. He does NOT have the right mix of aggression and defense. His shot tolerance and decision making is suspect.
You can't be an ATG without a great shot tolerance and defensive game. Nadal/Djokovic/Fed would have NEVER NOT broken in set 4. Even when they were young.
It's about WINNING. Sometimes it's UGLY and not with highlight reel flashy shots 100% of the time. Carlos needs to understand that - it's like being too proud of yourself to do the dirty work.
Instead Alcaraz tries flashy shots on all of the break points. 3 BPs lost from 0-40. Then in the final game - more BPs lost. He did NOT break even once in the match.
Sinner was trying to choke as HARD as possible - All Alcaraz had to do was keep the ball in play and make him work. Sinner would have coughed up errors and lost the set.
This is why I said Carlos is probably NOT going to win 10+ slams. He does NOT have the right mix of aggression and defense. His shot tolerance and decision making is suspect.
You can't be an ATG without a great shot tolerance and defensive game. Nadal/Djokovic/Fed would have NEVER NOT broken in set 4. Even when they were young.
It's about WINNING. Sometimes it's UGLY and not with highlight reel flashy shots 100% of the time. Carlos needs to understand that - it's like being too proud of yourself to do the dirty work.
SardinesForDinner
Professional
Highlights in HD:
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Id bet or keep this aside ? You will be trollrd massively the day he wins a slam
Baseline_Bungle
Legend
There ya go Charlie, enjoy some specialty Tyrolean baked goods to go with your magic juice and your platelet-rich plasma.
Hasta pronto and have a pleasant trip home.
Hasta pronto and have a pleasant trip home.
UnforcedTerror
Hall of Fame
I wanted and expected Alcaraz to win but I can't complain. Sinner is great youngster as well and this victory keeps their rivalry alive.
Great match from both and Sinner deserved to take it for his superb hitting and returns. One of his top performances if not the best.
Great match from both and Sinner deserved to take it for his superb hitting and returns. One of his top performances if not the best.
prosperned
Professional
He has the game but no mental strength on BPs.
The biggest problem with the next gen is mentality so till I see a player who plays their best tennis on big points then I’ll jump of the bandwagon.
Alcaraz is no future ATG. He’ll be lucky to win a slam tbh. Good night
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yea the return on grass is not good. Has to improve that. The hype needs to cool down a bit. Made the 4th round at 19 like players like Djokovic so he's on the right track but he's not quite at that elite level. You're right. It takes more than that to beat great players day in and day out.
slipgrip93
Professional
Maybe Alcaraz needs to stop fist-pumping every won point (the wta too) distracted on outward attention, and use those seconds in between to think and evaluate how to play the next point instead.
DariaGT
Professional
nextgen all do it, Shapo is the worst but now has competition
EpitomeOfAwesome
Semi-Pro
This forum is being too harsh on Alcaraz.
mistakes in execution does not mean brain dead.
Not returning 130 mph serves on grass does not mean poor returner
mistakes in execution does not mean brain dead.
Not returning 130 mph serves on grass does not mean poor returner
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Baseline_Bungle
Legend
Y'all can keep talking about Rats and the Rodent - clearly the only topics of interest for the majority - but the real story here is the awe-inducing performance of Jannik Sinner, the Blacksmith of the Dolomites. A coming of age moment today, right there on Centre Court in front of Rocket Rod and the rest of them.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
But he has raw power. That should not be underestimated.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Those are still atrocious numbers regardless.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
True but come on man those are legends that had won something beforehand.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Well it's not like Janik Sinner is just going to stay at the same level with all the other young guys. They're going to improve as well and be even better next year just like Alcaraz.
Mike Sams
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Yes but a legend himself was playing in the match and had all those opportunities.
4/23 BPs against Djokovic at USO 2015. LOL
I think you could just stand at the fence and whack a hail mary with your eyes closed and get better conversions than that junk.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Well i can tell you this match i have killed federer over the years in this match. Everyone will tell you. That was a winnable by Roger and he sucked.
Genious at Work
G.O.A.T.
But the thing is that his ROS is usually excellent. Today Alcaraz was way off, nothing worked. Even his dropshots were really bad today. I don't think Sinner is a bad matchup for him either, as he has been successful against him before. I think Alcaraz just had a very bad day. There might be some tactical (not technical) lessons to be learned, like how Carlos sometimes unnecessarily goes for too much at critical points causing him to make mistakes, but the kid is 19 and he and Ferrero can work these things out.
Genious at Work
G.O.A.T.
Alcaraz has won two MS1000 this year and is 3rd in the race at 19, son. Sinner will crash and burn against Djokovic. Try harder next time. Alcaraz is much more entertaining than Sinner and twice as talented as him. He just had a really bad day today.Y'all can keep talking about Rats and the Rodent - clearly the only topics of interest for the majority - but the real story here is the awe-inducing performance of Jannik Sinner, the Blacksmith of the Dolomites. A coming of age moment today, right there on Centre Court in front of Rocket Rod and the rest of them.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Sinner looked good. `
Baseline_Bungle
Legend
Lol easy there, buddy, keep that butthurt in check. Just very proud of Gianni as he continues to grow into my country's best tennis player of all time. But nobody's trying to discredit your fave - in fact, I've been predicting world domination for him since before you most likely ever heard of him. Fantastic player, will easily win double digit slams. Just a little perplexed by all the plasma treatments and transfusions starting in his mid teens, but hey, that's just the Spanish way
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