2022 Wimbledon R16: [5] C. Alcaraz Garfia vs [10] J. Sinner

[Baseline_Bungle]

Ive never understood why the umpire is allowed to over rule calls as whats the point in having lines judges? especially when the calls can be challenged anyway.

I guess at this point it's mostly just so that more humans can be embarrassed - and ultimately cast aside and replaced by machines.

 

[Genious at Work]

Lol easy there, buddy, keep that butthurt in check. Just very proud of Gianni as he continues to grow into my country's best tennis player of all time. But nobody's trying to discredit your fave - in fact, I've been predicting world domination for him since before you most likely ever heard of him. Fantastic player, will easily win double digit slams. Just a little perplexed by all the plasma treatments and transfusions starting in his mid teens, but hey, that's just the Spanish way

This type of classless crap is what can be expected from your kind. You are implying that Alcaraz dopes? Alcaraz is great because of his complete technique and his talent, only an idiot thinks you can get that from doping.

Best point and volley of the tournament.

 

[EpitomeOfAwesome]

Ive never understood why the umpire is allowed to over rule calls as whats the point in having lines judges? especially when the calls can be challenged anyway.

the line judges can make mistakes either from fatigue or if the player is in the way.
I find it alright the umpire overruling when super confident.

 

[thepaint19]

"Down goes Alcaraz! Down goes Alcaraz!"
Looks like the only thing Carlos Alcaraz is king of, is getting knocked out

 

[Slicehand]

just saw the replay of the match, a little disapointed, but sinner was returning every serve to alcarazs feet and on the line for the first two sets, carlos couldnt dicatate, and when he tried to deffend, it just didnt work against sinner groundstrokes, sinner was very comfortable during the match, he had the tactical advantage, didnt need to do much at first to get two sets, carlos started nervous as he himself admited on press, center court was big for him, at the end, he wasnt ready to play his best on grass yet consistently, it might take a little longer than i tought to put his game together to be consistent troughout the whole year, curiously enough, his defeats at grand slams were always the same in the sense that he lost the two first sets and then he fought a lot but it was too difficult to pull it out against the best players

 

[thepaint19]

Alcaraz 0-7 break points converted, incredible lack of clutchness for a player known for mental toughness, while Sinner was 4-12

 

[Slicehand]

Alcaraz 0-7 break points converted, incredible lack of clutchness for a player known for mental toughness, while Sinner was 4-12

he didnt play good in general, difficult to do good in break points when you are not doing well in almost any point, sinner dismantled him tactically, and when things got more even, it was too late, it wasnt carlos best day, he started too nervous, and sinner played very good for first two sets, sinner was returning unbelievable for the first two sets, carlos couldnt start ataking in almost any of his service points

 

[stringertom]

he didnt play good in general, difficult to do good in break points when you are not doing well in almost any point, sinner dismantled him tactically, and when things got more even, it was too late, it wasnt carlos best day, he started too nervous, and sinner played very good for first two sets, sinner was returning unbelievable for the first two sets, carlos couldnt start ataking in almost any of his service points

Great sportsmanship after the match in their net embrace. I think these guys like each other.

As to why the Italian prevailed it was clear Sinner’s longer levers helped reduce the Alcaraz ace count to 9 in 18 service games; without the higher volume cheap points nearly every Alcaraz service game became an adventure.

Contrast that to the supposedly weaker serving Sinner, who was never broken and saved every one of seven BPs. He was getting the job done by better placement of his serves (only 4 aces) that induced weaker returns in general.

Getting ahead in the rallies, whether as server or returner was key for Sinner to win 28 more points in the match.

It was clearly evident Alcaraz hadn’t faced that level of pressure in his brief 5-match grass cv. A rusty Struff took him to the edge. A newly confident grass player who owned zero grass wins until last Monday pushed him over the cliff. He needs more match play on grass. He will get it in 2023.

In his presser today Carlos acknowledged the zero prep before Wimby was not wise and needs to be addressed in scheduling for Wimby in 2023. He will not make the same mistake in backing out of QC.

That is now the second blunder committed by JCF in his pre-slam scheduling. This time it was undercooking. At USO’21 it was overcooking when W-S was chosen by him to play the week before Flushing. A week and change after making SFs at the 250, Alcaraz retired with a leg injury that required a month of down time before a silly boondoggle of a trip across 8 time zones to play and lose his first match at IW’21. Could you imagine how many more wins Alcaraz could have if JCF scheduled as well as he played???

SinCaraz seems to be quite the rivalry in its infancy stage, played across the three surfaces. At Challenger level we had clay when they were still learning and growing. We’ve had indoor HC last autumn when they were quite a bit more mature. Now we have had grass after Sinner has settled in with a new team. All we can do is hope we see an outdoor HC matchup in August or September. A USO slam at QF or later would be outstanding!

Hopefully the matchup happens much more frequently now that they are both going to be top 10 (fingers crossed it’s top 5) because they will be playing weekends for spots in the finals or for trophies.

 

[weakera]

@Vamos Carlos Alcaraz in shambles

He really abandoned Rafa as his favorite player to support a guy who L to Zverev and Sinner

 

[Slicehand]

Great sportsmanship after the match in their net embrace. I think these guys like each other.

As to why the Italian prevailed it was clear Sinner’s longer levers helped reduce the Alcaraz ace count to 9 in 18 service games; without the higher volume cheap points nearly every Alcaraz service game became an adventure.

Contrast that to the supposedly weaker serving Sinner, who was never broken and saved every one of seven BPs. He was getting the job done by better placement of his serves (only 4 aces) that induced weaker returns in general.

Getting ahead in the rallies, whether as server or returner was key for Sinner to win 28 more points in the match.

It was clearly evident Alcaraz hadn’t faced that level of pressure in his brief 5-match grass cv. A rusty Struff took him to the edge. A newly confident grass player who owned zero grass wins until last Monday pushed him over the cliff. He needs more match play on grass. He will get it in 2023.

In his presser today Carlos acknowledged the zero prep before Wimby was not wise and needs to be addressed in scheduling for Wimby in 2023. He will not make the same mistake in backing out of QC.

That is now the second blunder committed by JCF in his pre-slam scheduling. This time it was undercooking. At USO’21 it was overcooking when W-S was chosen by him to play the week before Flushing. A week and change after making SFs at the 250, Alcaraz retired with a leg injury that required a month of down time before a silly boondoggle of a trip across 8 time zones to play and lose his first match at IW’21. Could you imagine how many more wins Alcaraz could have if JCF scheduled as well as he played???

SinCaraz seems to be quite the rivalry in its infancy stage, played across the three surfaces. At Challenger level we had clay when they were still learning and growing. We’ve had indoor HC last autumn when they were quite a bit more mature. Now we have had grass after Sinner has settled in with a new team. All we can do is hope we see an outdoor HC matchup in August or September. A USO slam at QF or later would be outstanding!

Hopefully the matchup happens much more frequently now that they are both going to be top 10 (fingers crossed it’s top 5) because they will be playing weekends for spots in the finals or for trophies.

Yeah totally agree, sinner had also faced more difficult opponents than alcaraz before this match, and he served much better rarely getting to 125 mph, he just found his spots, but its still amazing to me how sinner was able to return practically every serve to carlos feet just on the baseline, but yeah carlos didnt serve too good either, he served fast, but not good, sinner showed great maturity, even when he lost some match points, i hope he can trouble djoko, about carlos scheduleing, i agree things could have been done better, but there was little to do coming into wimbledon because of his elbow pain, at least he could play some matches at wimbledon, now he is suposed to play hamburg and umag, lets see how they manage the uso swing

 

[Winners or Errors]

I don't know that there's anything wrong with Alcaraz. I'd prefer to believe that Sinner is turning some tactical corner, has put in some necessary time in the gym (looks like he has some more meat on his bones), and is ready to make a statement. We'll see what the next match needs. Sinner just looks like he's playing smarter tennis at the moment. It's nice to see him do something other than just bashing the ball, which is what I have associated him with prior to this moment.

 

[Slicehand]

I don't know that there's anything wrong with Alcaraz. I'd prefer to believe that Sinner is turning some tactical corner, has put in some necessary time in the gym (looks like he has some more meat on his bones), and is ready to make a statement. We'll see what the next match needs. Sinner just looks like he's playing smarter tennis at the moment. It's nice to see him do something other than just bashing the ball, which is what I have associated him with prior to this moment.

There wasnt anything wrong with alcaraz apart from being nervous and not playing well, sinner knew what he had to do and executed nicely, what also surprised me from sinner was how he almost didnt drop his level at any point, tactically alcaraz tried to find solutions but he didnt serve good enough and dindnt know how to presure sinner in key moments, looked like to win a point he had to crazy things

 

[Winners or Errors]

There wasnt anything wrong with alcaraz apart from being nervous and not playing well, sinner knew what he had to do and executed nicely, what also surprised me from sinner was how he almost didnt drop his level at any point, tactically alcaraz tried to find solutions but he didnt serve good enough and dindnt know how to presure sinner in key moments, looked like to win a point he had to crazy things

Yes, we agree that Sinner executed well and was rock solid, making it necessary for Alcaraz to try to solve the problem by getting out of his comfort zone.

 

[Terry Tibbs]

the line judges can make mistakes either from fatigue or if the player is in the way.
I find it alright the umpire overruling when super confident.

yeah fair enough

 

[Genious at Work]

I feel like Sinner will put up a decent fight, MAYBE even steal a set, but will ultimately succumb to the superhuman intensity of the doctored-up, plasma-injecting Spanish lab Raz.

 

[Darksong]

Sinner was there for the taking. When your opponent is nervous, you "make them play".
Instead Alcaraz tries flashy shots on all of the break points. 3 BPs lost from 0-40. Then in the final game - more BPs lost. He did NOT break even once in the match.
Sinner was trying to choke as HARD as possible - All Alcaraz had to do was keep the ball in play and make him work. Sinner would have coughed up errors and lost the set.

This is why I said Carlos is probably NOT going to win 10+ slams. He does NOT have the right mix of aggression and defense. His shot tolerance and decision making is suspect.
You can't be an ATG without a great shot tolerance and defensive game. Nadal/Djokovic/Fed would have NEVER NOT broken in set 4. Even when they were young.
It's about WINNING. Sometimes it's UGLY and not with highlight reel flashy shots 100% of the time. Carlos needs to understand that - it's like being too proud of yourself to do the dirty work.

You talk about him like he’s a seasoned player. yeah, he has to develop, but there is plenty to be excited about. It’s unlikely he’ll break through this year, but I’m confident it’ll come.

This was his 7th Slam. He‘s made the 2nd round, 3rd round, 2nd round, quarter final, 3rd round, quarter final and 4th round. So two quarter finals for a kid barely 19 with a lot of develop and improvement to come, I’d say that’s pretty good.

For comparison Novak made the 1st round, 2nd round, 3rd round, 3rd round, 1st round, quarter final and 4th round In his first slams. You write as he was performing way better at that age, which is clearly not correct.

I think the issue is we have half the forum who hype him way too much, desperate for a new name to rise to the top and we have half the forum who don‘t like him an applaud every defeat, then take pleasure in trying to put him down, every time he loses. However this is tennis and player lose a lot, even the ATG’s.

 

[Darksong]

Great sportsmanship after the match in their net embrace. I think these guys like each other.

As to why the Italian prevailed it was clear Sinner’s longer levers helped reduce the Alcaraz ace count to 9 in 18 service games; without the higher volume cheap points nearly every Alcaraz service game became an adventure.

Contrast that to the supposedly weaker serving Sinner, who was never broken and saved every one of seven BPs. He was getting the job done by better placement of his serves (only 4 aces) that induced weaker returns in general.

Getting ahead in the rallies, whether as server or returner was key for Sinner to win 28 more points in the match.

It was clearly evident Alcaraz hadn’t faced that level of pressure in his brief 5-match grass cv. A rusty Struff took him to the edge. A newly confident grass player who owned zero grass wins until last Monday pushed him over the cliff. He needs more match play on grass. He will get it in 2023.

In his presser today Carlos acknowledged the zero prep before Wimby was not wise and needs to be addressed in scheduling for Wimby in 2023. He will not make the same mistake in backing out of QC.

That is now the second blunder committed by JCF in his pre-slam scheduling. This time it was undercooking. At USO’21 it was overcooking when W-S was chosen by him to play the week before Flushing. A week and change after making SFs at the 250, Alcaraz retired with a leg injury that required a month of down time before a silly boondoggle of a trip across 8 time zones to play and lose his first match at IW’21. Could you imagine how many more wins Alcaraz could have if JCF scheduled as well as he played???

SinCaraz seems to be quite the rivalry in its infancy stage, played across the three surfaces. At Challenger level we had clay when they were still learning and growing. We’ve had indoor HC last autumn when they were quite a bit more mature. Now we have had grass after Sinner has settled in with a new team. All we can do is hope we see an outdoor HC matchup in August or September. A USO slam at QF or later would be outstanding!

Hopefully the matchup happens much more frequently now that they are both going to be top 10 (fingers crossed it’s top 5) because they will be playing weekends for spots in the finals or for trophies.

Didn’t he miss Queens due to the elbow injury? JCF said he was struggling with the heavy balls, causing pain in his elbow, hence he had to withdraw from Queens.

Not ideal preperation, but he’s young and the extra days off will allow him to rest the arm.

 

[TennisFan3]

You talk about him like he’s a seasoned player. yeah, he has to develop, but there is plenty to be excited about. It’s unlikely he’ll break through this year, but I’m confident it’ll come.

This was his 7th Slam. He‘s made the 2nd round, 3rd round, 2nd round, quarter final, 3rd round, quarter final and 4th round. So two quarter finals for a kid barely 19 with a lot of develop and improvement to come, I’d say that’s pretty good.

For comparison Novak made the 1st round, 2nd round, 3rd round, 3rd round, 1st round, quarter final and 4th round In his first slams. You write as he was performing way better at that age, which is clearly not correct.

I think the issue is we have half the forum who hype him way too much, desperate for a new name to rise to the top and we have half the forum who don‘t like him an applaud every defeat, then take pleasure in trying to put him down, every time he loses. However this is tennis and player lose a lot, even the ATG’s.

Thanks. That's a well researched post. I enjoyed reading it.
I just have a sense that Carlos developed a little earlier than usual. Novak's and Roger's improvement curve was steep. Meaning they suddenly got to a very high level after having a fairly usual younger years. So while they were as precocious in their younger years, as many other great players, they became ATGs because they have a steep rise in their level.
Case in point: 2011 - Novak 2.0 - post that - he's been the most dominant player in tennis history.
Roger Federer after winning his first Wimbledon went on a tear.

Plenty to be excited about Carlos. But it's NOT a given that he will have the same development curve that Novak/Fed had and become the next ATG. That is fairly uncommon and a lot of younger promising players don't get to that level.

 

[TennisFan3]

Great sportsmanship after the match in their net embrace. I think these guys like each other.

As to why the Italian prevailed it was clear Sinner’s longer levers helped reduce the Alcaraz ace count to 9 in 18 service games; without the higher volume cheap points nearly every Alcaraz service game became an adventure.

Contrast that to the supposedly weaker serving Sinner, who was never broken and saved every one of seven BPs. He was getting the job done by better placement of his serves (only 4 aces) that induced weaker returns in general.

Getting ahead in the rallies, whether as server or returner was key for Sinner to win 28 more points in the match.

It was clearly evident Alcaraz hadn’t faced that level of pressure in his brief 5-match grass cv. A rusty Struff took him to the edge. A newly confident grass player who owned zero grass wins until last Monday pushed him over the cliff. He needs more match play on grass. He will get it in 2023.

In his presser today Carlos acknowledged the zero prep before Wimby was not wise and needs to be addressed in scheduling for Wimby in 2023. He will not make the same mistake in backing out of QC.

That is now the second blunder committed by JCF in his pre-slam scheduling. This time it was undercooking. At USO’21 it was overcooking when W-S was chosen by him to play the week before Flushing. A week and change after making SFs at the 250, Alcaraz retired with a leg injury that required a month of down time before a silly boondoggle of a trip across 8 time zones to play and lose his first match at IW’21. Could you imagine how many more wins Alcaraz could have if JCF scheduled as well as he played???

SinCaraz seems to be quite the rivalry in its infancy stage, played across the three surfaces. At Challenger level we had clay when they were still learning and growing. We’ve had indoor HC last autumn when they were quite a bit more mature. Now we have had grass after Sinner has settled in with a new team. All we can do is hope we see an outdoor HC matchup in August or September. A USO slam at QF or later would be outstanding!

Hopefully the matchup happens much more frequently now that they are both going to be top 10 (fingers crossed it’s top 5) because they will be playing weekends for spots in the finals or for trophies.

Great post. Wasn't aware of the scheduling fiascos.

 

[Genious at Work]

"Down goes Alcaraz! Down goes Alcaraz!"
Looks like the only thing Carlos Alcaraz is king of, is getting knocked out

Welcome back 23deliberatestranger

Alcaraz has 2 MS1000 this year and is third in the race.