2022 Wimbledon R32: [5] C. Alcaraz Garfia vs [32] O. Otte

Who will win


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TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
Otte is in the form of his life. Lost 4 games in 2 rounds (aided by WO in R2).

Alcaraz is improving on grass.

This one could be better than Alcaraz vs Struff. My pick: Alcaraz in 5 tough sets.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Ottes unorthodox style of play and being a really great fit for grass will throw Alcaraz off who isn't that experienced on grass yet. I have Otte taking this.
 

dking68

Legend
Ottes unorthodox style of play and being a really great fit for grass will throw Alcaraz off who isn't that experienced on grass yet. I have Otte taking this.
Same, also if 19 year old Nadal couldnt get past the third round, Alcaraz won't
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
He is a serial Djokovic underestimator. He thinks Novak is a pusher.
Novak has little chance against Alcaraz. The match is totally on young Carlos's racquet. He has more firepower off both wings, much better offensive footwork and volleys, and better drop shots.

If Novak wins it will be solely because Alcaraz choked. Djokovic doesn't do anything better than Carlos once the ball is in play in a rally.
 
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TheNachoMan

Guest
Novak has little chance against Alcaraz. The match is totally on young Carlos's racquet. He has more firepower off both wings, much better offensive footwork and volleys, and better drop shots.

If Novak wins it will be solely because Alcaraz choked. Djokovic doesn't do anything better than Carlos once the ball is in play in a rally.
You're out of your mind, but Alcaraz ain’t even getting that far. Book it.
 

Nadal - GOAT

Hall of Fame
Novak has little chance against Alcaraz. The match is totally on young Carlos's racquet. He has more firepower off both wings, much better offensive footwork and volleys, and better drop shots.

If Novak wins it will be solely because Alcaraz choked. Djokovic doesn't do anything better than Carlos once the ball is in play in a rally.
Agree mostly.. Though only think Novak does better is make less UEs and has a better shot selection.

The match if it happens will be on Alcaraz's racquet for sure. The bigger challenge for Alcaraz is getting to QF. A player like Otte can cause many problems for him.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Same, also if 19 year old Nadal couldnt get past the third round, Alcaraz won't
2R. Beaten by nemesis Muller, the answer to a Wimby trivia question (Name the third player after Fedovic to have multiple Wimbledon victories vs Nadal). Alcaraz has already advanced further than 19 year old Nadal and has as many cumulative Wimby wins as teenage Nadal.

It was 17 year old Nadal that made 3R in 2003. Beat a good grass court player Ancic, who had booted fedr 1R the year before; in 2R he beat a Brit WC who had outlasted Davydenko in 5; lost to #12 seed Srichaphan.
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
Novak has little chance against Alcaraz. The match is totally on young Carlos's racquet. He has more firepower off both wings, much better offensive footwork and volleys, and better drop shots.

If Novak wins it will be solely because Alcaraz choked. Djokovic doesn't do anything better than Carlos once the ball is in play in a rally.

He's much better looking than Novak too
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
Huge test for Raz. As good as Struff played, this will be easily the toughest match so far.

key for him to not panic in the big moments.

I think Carlos has a better chance against Djokovic in the QFs than against Otte in the 3rd round. We shall see.
I think Otte has a better chance against Novak than Alcaraz does:D, no disrespect to the boy, but between the quality of his serve, particularly the slicer out wide, and his flat hitting, the dude has more of the basics to help him do the deed.

Alcaraz also struggled big-time with Gojowczyk at the US Open last year, who also hits crazy flat. I know he's come a long way since then, but I doubt it will be easy for him.
 

zuluzazu

Hall of Fame
Now that those two British Frauds (Raducanu and Murray) are ousted, I just hope we can see this match on the centre court or atleast court 1
 

vive le beau jeu !

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Mivic

Hall of Fame
Agree mostly.. Though only think Novak does better is make less UEs and has a better shot selection.

The match if it happens will be on Alcaraz's racquet for sure. The bigger challenge for Alcaraz is getting to QF. A player like Otte can cause many problems for him.
No good the match being 'on your racquet' if you can't keep the ball in play consistently, otherwise Dustin Brown would be the favourite to win Wimbledon every single year. Alcaraz imploded on the big stage against the first good opponent he played at RG this year and has virtually no experience on grass. How likely is it that he's able to overwhelm Djokovic (the first elite guy he'll have ever faced on the surface) from the baseline consistently over the course of five sets at this point in his career in conditions which are brand new to him? So far I haven't seen Alcaraz play a match against a high level retriever without spraying like a hose at various junctures in the contest even in territory which is familiar to him (i.e. clay and HC, conditions in which he's had plenty of time to adapt to the nuances and specifics that are posed by those respective surfaces over the course of both his fledgling pro and junior career). Even if Djokovic's aggression from the baseline is down from prime levels, he has the experience and nous on the surface to put Alcaraz in a lot of awkward spots and put an extra ball in play and still has a clear advantage in the serve-return complex to boot. His game is also more compact and his offense is higher margin on grass atm, even if Alcaraz hits a bigger ball. Alcaraz probably won't get enough free points on serve either and won't have that lethal kicker that he had at altitude in Madrid (which was the difference maker in the contest) even if his flat serve looks pretty monstrous on the slicker outside courts rn. I don't think conditions on centre will favour him in the match-up.

Anyway let him get past Otte and Isner/Sinner first. Definitely not even close to a gimme that he makes the QF.
 
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TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
Novak has little chance against Alcaraz. The match is totally on young Carlos's racquet. He has more firepower off both wings, much better offensive footwork and volleys, and better drop shots.

If Novak wins it will be solely because Alcaraz choked. Djokovic doesn't do anything better than Carlos once the ball is in play in a rally.
This is so so wrong.
Novak has a vastly better serve and vastly vastly better ROS. The serve-return dynamic alone is enough to win on grass.
Clay - Alcaraz can use the kick serve. Grass - the Kick serve is NULL and Void. So the Madrid tactics are useless.
But even if we cross all that:

Forehand - DTL for Carlos and CC for Novak
Defense on grass- Novak
Movement/speed on grass - Novak
Net play - Novak
Backhand - Novak by Far
Transition game: Novak
Shot tolerance: Novak (this is KEY). Alcaraz can start spraying easily. Novak never gives anything away.

To think that the match is on Tiny Carlos racquet vs Novak is ridiculous at best and borderline insane at worst.
 

Nadal - GOAT

Hall of Fame
No good the match being 'on your racquet' if you can't keep the ball in play consistently, otherwise Dustin Brown would be the favourite to win Wimbledon every single year. Alcaraz completely imploded on the big stage against the first decent opponent he played at RG and has virtually no experience on grass. How likely is it that Alcaraz is able to overwhelm Djokovic from the baseline consistently over the course of five sets at this stage? So far I haven't seen him play a match against a high level retriever without spraying like a hose at various passages of the contest. Even if Djokovic's aggression from the baseline is down from prime levels, he has the experience and nous on the surface to put Alcaraz in a lot of awkward spots and put an extra ball in play and still has a significant edge in the serve-return complex to boot. His game is also more compact and his offense is higher margin on grass imo, even if Alcaraz hits a bigger ball. Alcaraz probably won't get enough free points on serve either and won't have that lethal kicker that he had at altitude in Madrid even if his serve looks pretty monstrous on the slicker outside courts rn. I don't think conditions on centre will favour him in the match-up.

Anyway let him get past Otte and Isner/Sinner first. Definitely not even close to a gimme that he makes the QF.
I agree that Alcaraz may not make it to the QF and even if he does and Novak does too, Novak will of course be the favorite. The advantages you speak that Novak has over him though mostly accurate is a lil exaggerated IMO.

Yes, Alcaraz has his flaws but I believe he also is one of those players capable of the extraordinary. He did it in Madrid this year (beating Nadal and Novak back to back on clay).

I know its Wimb and Novak has been impossible to beat there in recent years. Though I believe a 15 years younger player as talented as Alcaraz should have a decent chance of toppling Novak.

Hope they meet in QF. Am very curious to see how it plays out.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
2R. Beaten by nemesis Muller, the answer to a Wimby trivia question (Name the third player after Fedovic to have multiple Wimbledon victories vs Nadal). Alcaraz has already advanced further than 19 year old Nadal and has as many cumulative Wimby wins as teenage Nadal.

It was 17 year old Nadal that made 3R in 2003. Beat a good grass court player Ancic, who had booted fedr 1R the year before; in 2R he beat a Brit WC who had outlasted Davydenko in 5; lost to #12 seed Srichaphan.
The "small" big difference is that Nadal came from winning Roland Garros and Federer in the process, while Alcaraz arrives at Wimbledon after clearly losing to Zverev, who is not exactly a titan on clay.
If you ignore the details, we cannot draw a great conclusion and make the comparisons between them.
8-B
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
The "small" big difference is that Nadal came from winning Roland Garros and Federer in the process, while Alcaraz arrives at Wimbledon after clearly losing to Zverev, who is not exactly a titan on clay.
If you ignore the details, we cannot draw a great conclusion and make the comparisons between them.
8-B
Who was trying to draw any conclusions? I just cleared up a factual error.
 
This is so so wrong.
Novak has a vastly better serve and vastly vastly better ROS. The serve-return dynamic alone is enough to win on grass.
Clay - Alcaraz can use the kick serve. Grass - the Kick serve is NULL and Void. So the Madrid tactics are useless.
But even if we cross all that:

Forehand - DTL for Carlos and CC for Novak
Defense on grass- Novak
Movement/speed on grass - Novak
Net play - Novak
Backhand - Novak by Far
Transition game: Novak
Shot tolerance: Novak (this is KEY). Alcaraz can start spraying easily. Novak never gives anything away.

To think that the match is on Tiny Carlos racquet vs Novak is ridiculous at best and borderline insane at worst.
Tick tock, tick tock.
 
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Slicehand

Guest
This is so so wrong.
Novak has a vastly better serve and vastly vastly better ROS. The serve-return dynamic alone is enough to win on grass.
Clay - Alcaraz can use the kick serve. Grass - the Kick serve is NULL and Void. So the Madrid tactics are useless.
But even if we cross all that:

Forehand - DTL for Carlos and CC for Novak
Defense on grass- Novak
Movement/speed on grass - Novak
Net play - Novak
Backhand - Novak by Far
Transition game: Novak
Shot tolerance: Novak (this is KEY). Alcaraz can start spraying easily. Novak never gives anything away.

To think that the match is on Tiny Carlos racquet vs Novak is ridiculous at best and borderline insane at worst.
sorry, i think you had a typo with better net play, as for the kicker, dont worry, he does just as well the slice serve as seen in couple last matches, if djoko doesnt have his best serving day of the tournament, he has very little chances , he knows how to move good on grass and has flexibility, but no way he is faster than carlos reaching the net, 1-2 punch from carlos is quite superior, in fact, the more i think about it, the more i feel djoko must have a totally perfect serve and return day if he wants to have ANY chance, outside from that he hasnt many things that are gonna hurt carlos, not even his backhand
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't yet know if Djokovic is aware of this, but one of the most important matches of his entire career is being played tomorrow.

No, it is not his impending 3rd round with his young protege Kecmanovic.

It is this one. Oscar Otte is playing to save Djokovic from the Alcaraz juggernaut. If Otte fails tomorrow, Novak will never win another Slam again as long as Raz and Rafa are in the draw.

No pressure.
 
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TheNachoMan

Guest
I don't yet know if Djokovic is aware of this, but one of the most important matches of his entire career is being played tomorrow.

No, it is not his impending 3rd round with his young protege Kecmanovic.

It is this one. Oscar Otte is playing to save Djokovic from the Alcaraz juggernaut. If Otte fails tomorrow, Novak will never win another Slam again as long as Raz and Rafa are in the draw.

No pressure.
lol
 

zuluzazu

Hall of Fame
I don't yet know if Djokovic is aware of this, but one of the most important matches of his entire career is being played tomorrow.

No, it is not his impending 3rd round with his young protege Kecmanovic.

It is this one. Oscar Otte is playing to save Djokovic from the Alcaraz juggernaut. If Otte fails tomorrow, Novak will never win another Slam again as long as Raz and Rafa are in the draw.

No pressure.
Dont you go all @Jokervich on us ROFL
 

Krish0608

G.O.A.T.
Novak has little chance against Alcaraz. The match is totally on young Carlos's racquet. He has more firepower off both wings, much better offensive footwork and volleys, and better drop shots.

If Novak wins it will be solely because Alcaraz choked. Djokovic doesn't do anything better than Carlos once the ball is in play in a rally.
I remember similar things were being said before Med-Nole final at AO 2021. The brutality that ensued should have been enough to not doubt legends against upstarts. But, I guess not.
 
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Slicehand

Guest
I cant believe im not gonna be able to watch this match live
 
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Slicehand

Guest
It's probably going to be under the roof, so that's going to help his case.
Exactly, conditions were much faster in his first match, they really want this kid to lose
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
Exactly, conditions were much faster in his first match, they really want this kid to lose
Well, it was raining, and if they play under the roof now it'll only be because of the same :D better to play than to wait for the sun, it's not like the conditions HURT him, they just help his opponents.

Things were probably faster too because Struff can hammer the ball in a way Griekspoor cannot:p
 
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Slicehand

Guest
Well, it was raining, and if they play under the roof now it'll only be because of the same :D better to play than to wait for the sun, it's not like the conditions HURT him, they just help his opponents.

Things were probably faster too because Struff can hammer the ball in a way Griekspoor cannot:p
It makes the serve more effective, but yeah i also think is not bad for him, just good for opponents, but conditions were definetly very different, even he said so at press conference
 
I don't yet know if Djokovic is aware of this, but one of the most important matches of his entire career is being played tomorrow.

No, it is not his impending 3rd round with his young protege Kecmanovic.

It is this one. Oscar Otte is playing to save Djokovic from the Alcaraz juggernaut. If Otte fails tomorrow, Novak will never win another Slam again as long as Raz and Rafa are in the draw.

No pressure.
Can we wait for Carlitos to actually win one slam before proclaiming him an ATG?
 

DariaGT

Professional
Courts are getting very bad bounces and not even second week yet so clay specialists will thrive if they get through
 
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