2023 Jannik Sinner vs 2006 Roger Federer at the ATP Finals

[RoddickAce]

It's not just a matter of level, but match-ups. As have been pointed out many times in the past, peak Fed struggled against players with top tier defense, but ate up power players for breakfast.

Wawrinka was able to overpower peak Djoko in slams, look at how Fed handled him throughout their careers. This is a Sinner that barely edged past a much older Djoko in a RR match, in a 3rd set tiebreak.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

Lmao calm down.

Excuse me but don't you mean "cool" down?

 

[MichaelNadal]

It's not just a matter of level, but match-ups. As have been pointed out many times in the past, peak Fed struggled against players with top tier defense, but ate up power players for breakfast.

Wawrinka was able to overpower peak Djoko in slams, look at how Fed handled him throughout their careers. This is a Sinner that barely edged past a much older Djoko in a RR match, in a 3rd set tiebreak.

Power was the worst thing you could come at peak Fed with. That ball would be re-directed with JUICE.

 

[tennis3]

On fast courts nobody stands chance against peak Roger. Too much pace, too much variety, too much creative shotmking to handle.

I'll take peak Pete.

 

[CoolCoolCool]

Excuse me but don't you mean "cool" down?

 

[MichaelNadal]

Andy Samberg

 

[NatF]

The disrepect to Federer smh.

 

[Subway Tennis]

I don’t understand the specific choice of 2006 Federer.

Why not a by-age equivalent?

2006 Federer is one of the best versions of any tennis player ever. Very unusual and unfair choice. Sinner is playing at an insane level at the moment but he has hardly started his career.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

We’ve seen plenty of great BO3 levels from these #NextGerm players. It’s BO5 where they wet the bed. We’re still in a weak era until they can consistently bring it in the schlems.

Agreed on this and lots have produced in best of 3 but now need to step up in slams. A lot of it seems mental thing and fitness issue. Sinner has the tools to win slams though if he sorts his physical issues, improves mental strength and adds a bit more variety too.

2024 will be a very interesting year with a few players in mix. I don’t see Djokovic having it as easy next year.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

More like Sinner won bc Novak already did what he came to do in the last round. Had this been for YE#1 it would have been straights.

Not buying that excuse. Djokovic played well but Sinner was just a bit better. Novak struggled to deal with the Italians power. He served and returned well too.

Sinner played fantastic and Djokovic will look to learn a few lessons from the match if they meet again.

 

[FeroBango]

I don’t understand the specific choice of 2006 Federer.

Why not a by-age equivalent?

2006 Federer is one of the best versions of any tennis player ever. Very unusual and unfair choice. Sinner is playing at an insane level at the moment but he has hardly started his career.

Sinner is arguably better at 21/22 than Fed by win percentage but Fed had won a slam and was poised to win two more before he turned 23.

2024 can't come sooner.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Gioco, Fedelel

Why did I read Falafel?
Am I hungry?

 

[MichaelNadal]

Sinner is arguably better at 21/22 than Fed by win percentage but Fed had won a slam and was poised to win two more before he turned 23.

2024 can't come sooner.

More of the same

 

[DSH]

Sinner played great, but even 2019 Pensionerer could at least win a set.

The Philosopher sent the old man to receive his pension at home.

 

[DSH]

I'll take peak Pete.

He hasn't seen BB either.

 

[dking68]

Sinner is arguably better at 21/22 than Fed by win percentage but Fed had won a slam and was poised to win two more before he turned 23.

2024 can't come sooner.

Sinner will win one next year

 

[T&M Returns]

It's funny how quickly people forget how good players were.

 

[DSH]

It's funny how quickly people forget how good players were.

This is also reflected, unfortunately, in voting for candidates in public positions who did poorly in the past.
The human mind, an inexhaustible and unfathomable mystery.

 

[MichaelNadal]

It's funny how quickly people forget how good players were.

Come on man, Sinner and Rune would smoke 2008 Nadal

 

[dking68]

@Megafanoftennis100 poor comparison. A better one would be Federer 2003 and Sinner 2023

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

@Megafanoftennis100 poor comparison. A better one would be Federer 2003 and Sinner 2023

Still Federer

 

[FeroBango]

Come on man, Sinner and Rune would smoke 2008 Nadal

Sinner is the best 22-yo ever says the OP lmao.

 

[dking68]

Still Federer

Not sure. Sinner would make returns in Federer’s service games no doubt. It’s 50-50 imo

 

[RS]

@Megafanoftennis100 poor comparison. A better one would be Federer 2003 and Sinner 2023

Fed fans rank 2003 above 2006 at YEC

 

[NatF]

Sinner has 9 votes

 

[Subway Tennis]

Sinner is arguably better at 21/22 than Fed by win percentage but Fed had won a slam and was poised to win two more before he turned 23.

2024 can't come sooner.

Yeah agree.

I think Sinner is favourite to win AO now.

Sinner already matched up well with Alcaraz, Djokovic was his only stumbling block.

Now he has solved the Djokovic problem as well.

I love Alcaraz, but the Australian Open surface is not the best for him.

Hard to see anyone stopping Sinner at AO. Goatsipas used to match up well on Sinner but that matchup has changed a lot now.

 

[RaulRamirez]

Yeah agree.

I think Sinner is favourite to win AO now.

Sinner already matched up well with Alcaraz, Djokovic was his only stumbling block.

Now he has solved the Djokovic problem as well.

I love Alcaraz, but the Australian Open surface is not the best for him.

Hard to see anyone stopping Sinner at AO. Goatsipas used to match up well on Sinner but that matchup has changed a lot now.

Sinner played great yesterday, and won deservedly, but I would still slate Djokovic as the slight favorite heading into next year's AO, regardless of how this tourney plays out.. Indeed, they could still meet in the finals here.

Until someone knocks Novak off in Melbourne or his play drops off, I think he's earned the favorite tag.

As an overall tennis fan, though, it was great to see a high-level match, with Sinner hanging tough and pulling through. Hopefully, this will build his confidence for slams.

 

[NatF]

Yeah agree.

I think Sinner is favourite to win AO now.

Sinner already matched up well with Alcaraz, Djokovic was his only stumbling block.

Now he has solved the Djokovic problem as well.

I love Alcaraz, but the Australian Open surface is not the best for him.

Hard to see anyone stopping Sinner at AO. Goatsipas used to match up well on Sinner but that matchup has changed a lot now.

BO5 is a different kettle of fish, far too soon to say Sinner has solved Djokovic.

 

[mike danny]

Sinner is arguably better at 21/22 than Fed by win percentage but Fed had won a slam and was poised to win two more before he turned 23.

2024 can't come sooner.

Plus let’s see if Sinner can even close the deal here which 22 year old Fed did

 

[dking68]

Plus let’s see if Sinner can even close the deal here which 22 year old Fed did

I think he will

 

[Subway Tennis]

BO5 is a different kettle of fish, far too soon to say Sinner has solved Djokovic.

Fair

 

[Subway Tennis]

I think he will

Next year is going to be insane. This arms race developing between Rune, Alcaraz and Sinner with entertaining cameos from Shelton at the majors is going to be special to watch.

If I were Rune and Alcaraz I would be wary of the serve dominance creeping into Sinner’s game. When he is not hammering people into submission from a metre inside the baseline, he is picking up a lot of cheap and easy points on serve.

 

[duaneeo]

Plus let’s see if Sinner can even close the deal here which 22 year old Fed did

Exactly. The guy simply won a RR match vs Nole for heavens sakes. One would think he already won the title reading this thread.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Not buying that excuse. Djokovic played well but Sinner was just a bit better. Novak struggled to deal with the Italians power. He served and returned well too.

Sinner played fantastic and Djokovic will look to learn a few lessons from the match if they meet again.

Eh, Sinner was good, but he didn’t even outplay Djokovic to be honest. Points won were equal, Djoko won more return points. Very good final TB, but o don’t think there’s anybody who would put money on Sinner winning again vs. Djoko given the same circumstances.

Now, if he can come up with what Federer did in the finals after a close win vs. Agassi in 2003 TMC, then we can really see.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Eh, Sinner was good, but he didn’t even outplay Djokovic to be honest. Points won were equal, Djoko won more return points. Very good final TB, but o don’t think there’s anybody who would put money on Sinner winning again vs. Djoko given the same circumstances.

Now, if he can come up with what Federer did in the finals after a close win vs. Agassi in 2003 TMC, then we can really see.

You could already see how special a player Fed was going to be already that year. That performance from Fed was incredible. Made it look easy and effortless.

 

[Third Serve]

Sinner has 9 votes

Probably safe to assume a few of those are trolling. However, you never know…

 

[RS]

Sinner was leading before I went to bed yesterday by one vote then all a sudden I wake up and the poll dramatically changes to 80% Fed.

 

[Kralingen]

I voted for Sinner

 

[RS]

I voted for Sinner

Out of 10 yesterday for Sinner?

 

[Kralingen]

Out of 10 yesterday for Sinner?

Don’t know, what I do know is, that frame would be twisting in Roger's hand on every off-center hit from the mighty weight of shot of the Sinner.

 

[RS]

Don’t know, what I do know is, that frame would be twisting in Roger's hand on every off-center hit from the mighty weight of shot of the Sinner.

Tennis evolution is a myth

 

[BeatlesFan]

Sinner has 9 votes

All blind morons desperately trolling.

2006 Fed annihilates Sinner on any surface and while playing with a fractured femur. His level is beyond anything any current player (aside from Djoker) has ever seen. 2006 Fed would literally beat Sinner, Alcaraz or Rune 2 and 2. On grass there would be bagels.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

All blind morons desperately trolling.

2006 Fed annihilates Sinner on any surface and while playing with a fractured femur. His level is beyond anything any current player (aside from Djoker) has ever seen. 2006 Fed would literally beat Sinner, Alcaraz or Rune 2 and 2. On grass there would be bagels.

yeah right, just like how he "annihilated Murray" in Cincinnati? or Nadal in Dubai?

 

[Razer]

yeah right, just like how he "annihilated Murray" in Cincinnati? or Nadal in Dubai?

Federer tanked the Murray match in Cinci.
Nadal is Nadal.

Sinner and gang are no match, Beatles is right, Federer would obliterate them all mercilessly without dropping even a set..

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Federer tanked the Murray match in Cinci.
Nadal is Nadal.

Sinner and gang are no match, Beatles is right, Federer would obliterate them all mercilessly without dropping even a set.

Yeah OK, I agree. 2006 Fed utterly annihilates 2023 Sinner, Rune, Alcaraz without dropping a set.
Same goes for 2011 Djokovic, who definitely would not have lost yesterday's match against Sinner or the Wimbledon final against Alcaraz.

 

[RelentlessAttack]

Forget Roger, I won’t tolerate the slander against Nalbandian and Safin. 2007 indoor season and US00/AO05 still some of the highest peaks ever

 

[MichaelNadal]

Forget Roger, I won’t tolerate the slander against Nalbandian and Safin. 2007 indoor season and US00/AO05 still some of the highest peaks ever

But he beat HOLGER RUNE!!!

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

Forget Roger, I won’t tolerate the slander against Nalbandian and Safin. 2007 indoor season and US00/AO05 still some of the highest peaks ever

Completely agree

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Alcaraz vs Safin
Medvedev vs Roddick
Zverev vs Hewitt
Tsitsipas vs Nalbandian
Ruud vs Baghdatis

Pretty much all of the players on the left prevail, come on, should be obvious. This era is still stronger than the 2001-2007 era for sure.

Shouldn't you mention Nadal and Agassi then? Or Davydenko or Ferrero in place of Baghdatis?

And no, Tsitsipas doesn't beat Nalbandian or Zverev Hewitt (the others are debatable).

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Sinner is a great player and has the potential to win a couple of slams and YECs.

Needless to say he is not as good as Federer and Djokovic at their best on the YEC. Better than Nadal probably, but Nadal would have won 1 or 2 YECs without peak Fedovic around too.