2023 Jannik Sinner vs 2006 Roger Federer at the ATP Finals

[nawoo]

How many grandslams has Sinner won?
Oh right, ZERO

Can't even make a GS final. Even Ruud has 3

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

How many grandslams has Sinner won?
Oh right, ZERO

Can't even make a GS final. Even Ruud has 3

Well he's suddenly winning against everyone and turning around his top 10 h2h struggles. "So we shall see..."

 

[stormholloway]

If this Tour Finals turns out to be his 2003 Masters Cup moment, then we can revisit this thread.

Federer was untouchable on a fast court from 2003-2007. OP should feel ashamed of even thinking about posting this.

 

[MrFlip]

Sinner isn't even in Del Potro's league and Del Potro barely beat an post-peak Federer.

 

[FeroBango]

If this Tour Finals turns out to be his 2003 Masters Cup moment, then we can revisit this thread.

Federer was untouchable on a fast court from 2003-2007. OP should feel ashamed of even thinking about posting this.

Fed was the best fast court player of his time til he retired imo.

 

[fedfan24]

Federer would dismantle him with his variety and peak ground game. Sinner has no chance.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

Fed was the best fast court player of his time til he retired imo.

True, even old Federer was better than Djokovic on fast... such as still dominating him in 2019 atp finals. Sinner barely beat an older Djokovic with a worse winner UE ratio than djokovic just now

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

And to me fast reveals true skill as it helps to eliminate that ping pong human wall pushing BS

 

[SonnyT]

If this Tour Finals turns out to be his 2003 Masters Cup moment, then we can revisit this thread.

Federer was untouchable on a fast court from 2003-2007. OP should feel ashamed of even thinking about posting this.

Aside from teenagers Nadal & Djokovic, whom has Federer defeated?

 

[Federev]

RIDICULOUS

 

[Federev]

Overrated performance. It's easy to look so good when your opponent is James freaking Blake lol!

Underrated performance. It’s easy to look so bad when your opponent is Peak Roger Federer.

Why did you even ask the question BTW?

You obviously already have your answer and no evidence is going to change your mind.

 

[Federev]

True, even old Federer was better than Djokovic on fast... such as still dominating him in 2019 atp finals. Sinner barely beat an older Djokovic with a worse winner UE ratio than djokovic just now

This is pretty good.

 

[Mivic]

True, even old Federer was better than Djokovic on fast... such as still dominating him in 2019 atp finals. Sinner barely beat an older Djokovic with a worse winner UE ratio than djokovic just now

You can apply a similar chain of transitive logic via Tsitsipas to shine Sinner in a more favourable light relative to 2019 Fed as well. If only tennis were as simple as you guys make it out to be. This has nothing to do with the OP which is obviously not really worth entertaining but there are better ways to vouch for Fed’s superiority in a variety of cases than some of these extremely basic transitive lines of argumentation which make use of one match sample sizes that I’ve seen doing the rounds recently.

 

[Third Serve]

True, even old Federer was better than Djokovic on fast... such as still dominating him in 2019 atp finals. Sinner barely beat an older Djokovic with a worse winner UE ratio than djokovic just now

I think that fast courts are certainly a favorable condition for Federer vs. Djokovic as that match indicates but Djokovic had a poor returning day by his standards and Fed served unusually well.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

I think that fast courts are certainly a favorable condition for Federer vs. Djokovic as that match indicates but Djokovic had a poor returning day by his standards and Fed served unusually well.

He had a poor returning day precisely because Federer's serve too good

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

You can apply a similar chain of transitive logic via Tsitsipas to shine Sinner in a more favourable light relative to 2019 Fed as well. If only tennis were as simple as you guys make it out to be. This has nothing to do with the OP which is obviously not really worth entertaining but there are better ways to vouch for Fed’s superiority in a variety of cases than some of these extremely basic transitive lines of argumentation which make use of one match sample sizes that I’ve seen doing the rounds recently.

Federer has generally always been favored over Djokovic on fast courts

 

[SonnyT]

Underrated performance. It’s easy to look so bad when opponent is peak Federer.

Why did you even ask the question BTW?

You obviously already have your answer and no evidence is going to change your mind.

It’s Holmes/ Herald/ Juanparty- esque work you’ve been about. I admit it does make me wonder.

Competition makes sharper and tougher opponents. I doubt Federer reached peak when battling Roddick and Hewitt. And who bothers with strategy when you routine them in straight sets?

Now with Nadal and Djokovic at their best, he needed to be at his best and to have workable tactics.

 

[stormholloway]

Aside from teenagers Nadal & Djokovic, whom has Federer defeated?

He defeated the players in front of him, the best in the world at the time. That's all that matters. Just watch the matches. His level was god tier.

 

[President]

But he beat HOLGER RUNE!!!

I thought you liked Legs

 

[Pheasant]

These courts are very fast. Fast hard courts are where Federer shines over everybody. If Fed owns one type of surface, then it's fast hard courts. The WTF was much slower from 2009-2020 in London. Federer is beatable on medium-to-slow hard courts(All 3 of Roddick's wins against Fed were on slow hard courts) However, he was incredibly dominant on fast hard courts.

Let's look at prime-Fed's record at the WTF on fast hard courts from 2003-2007. Note: 2005 was on carpet, so it's excluded here.
Overall record: 19-1, .950, includes winning 15 of those matches in straight sets. And it includes winning all 4 of those finals in straight set blowouts. And remember, 3 out of those 4 finals were in a best of 5 setup. But it gets better.

% of service games held: 92.1%
% of return points won: 42.1%

Fed was still pretty good on slow hard courts. After all, he won 3 sunshine doubles. But Fed was substantially better on fast hard courts than slow ones.

I loved watching Fed play on fast hardcourts more than on any other surface during his prime.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

I thought you liked Legs

Legs is Sinner "legs" as in "skinny legs"

 

[MichaelNadal]

I thought you liked Legs

You have no idea lol phew!

Holgers are very nice ill give him that.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

These courts are very fast. Fast hard courts are where Federer shines over everybody. If Fed owns one type of surface, then it's fast hard courts. The WTF was much slower from 2009-2020 in London. Federer is beatable on medium-to-slow hard courts(All 3 of Roddick's wins against Fed were on slow hard courts) However, he was incredibly dominant on fast hard courts.

Let's look at prime-Fed's record at the WTF on fast hard courts from 2003-2007. Note: 2005 was on carpet, so it's excluded here.
Overall record: 19-1, .950, includes winning 15 of those matches in straight sets. And it includes winning all 4 of those finals in straight set blowouts. And remember, 3 out of those 4 finals were in a best of 5 setup. But it gets better.

% of service games held: 92.1%
% of return points won: 42.1%

Fed was still pretty good on slow hard courts. After all, he won 3 sunshine doubles. But Fed was substantially better on fast hard courts than slow ones.

I loved watching Fed play on fast hardcourts more than on any other surface during his prime.

This is because Federer is the most skilled complete player ever and the primary thing he's lacking is being a ping pong human wall like Djokovic. He's not a long baseline grind type of guy. So when court is fast his amazing best ever all court attack gets the ball by people and hes unstoppable

 

[Third Serve]

He had a poor returning day precisely because Federer's serve too good

Fed’s serve was good but not 57% unreturned good.

 

[nolefam_2024]

This is because Federer is the most skilled complete player ever and the primary thing he's lacking is being a ping pong human wall like Djokovic. He's not a long baseline grind type of guy. So when court is fast his amazing best ever all court attack gets the ball by people and hes unstoppable

I guess you had to go there.

In his hometown.

 

[RS]

Del Potro USO 2009 vs Federer USO 2011 10 match series?

 

[nolefam_2024]

2009 Basel was the fastest it had ever been in last 25 years as per uts. Nole beat him there.

 

[Kralingen]

I guess you had to go there.

In his hometown.

Koenig sounds so upset this entire video

 

[RS]

Del Potro won Basel in 2012 and 2013. Didn't he beat Fed both times or was it one?

 

[stormholloway]

I guess you had to go there.

In his hometown.

Federer was playing a badminton tournament in a neighboring venue he was under contract for in 2009. Was a charity event as I recall. Had he been 100% focused on tennis it woulda been straights.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Federer was playing a badminton tournament in a neighboring venue he was under contract for in 2009. Was a charity event as I recall. Had he been 100% focused on tennis it woulda been straights.

This is new low from Federer fans after mono excuses from 2008.

I don't give a single damn if he was playing UFC next week. He is a professional. Don't give excuses.

 

[Federev]

This is new low from Federer fans after mono excuses from 2008.

I don't give a single damn if he was playing UFC next week. He is a professional. Don't give excuses.

I think it was a joke.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I think it was a joke.

Sorry

 

[stormholloway]

This is new low from Federer fans after mono excuses from 2008.

I don't give a single damn if he was playing UFC next week. He is a professional. Don't give excuses.

Mono was a legit excuse though.

 

[TheFifthSet]

Federer was playing a badminton tournament in a neighboring venue he was under contract for in 2009. Was a charity event as I recall. Had he been 100% focused on tennis it woulda been straights.

Chuckled.

 

[DSH]

All blind morons desperately trolling.

2006 Fed annihilates Sinner on any surface and while playing with a fractured femur. His level is beyond anything any current player (aside from Djoker) has ever seen. 2006 Fed would literally beat Sinner, Alcaraz or Rune 2 and 2. On grass there would be bagels.

No, they are much better Jonas Bjorkman!

 

[DSH]

Sinner is a great player and has the potential to win a couple of slams and YECs.

Needless to say he is not as good as Federer and Djokovic at their best on the YEC. Better than Nadal probably, but Nadal would have won 1 or 2 YECs without peak Fedovic around too.

Only one or two?
He would have won 3 or 4 without them in his way.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Mono was a legit excuse though.

No

 

[DSH]

No

Stereo?

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

This is new low from Federer fans after mono excuses from 2008.

I don't give a single damn if he was playing UFC next week. He is a professional. Don't give excuses.

What? I don't expect Djokovic to be able to win if he has mono

 

[nolefam_2024]

What? I don't expect Djokovic to be able to win if he has mono

What mono
Fed has played his career for 13 more years after that. I see it as only excuse.

 

[Aestheticsaboveallelse]

What mono
Fed has played his career for 13 more years after that. I see it as only excuse.

Its only an excuse for at least part of 2008 and yes its legit you can't expect a player to do great with mono

 

[duaneeo]

 

[bnjkn]

And the balls were too light. Else Djokovic would have been exposed.