2023 NITTO ATP FINALS TORINO

Who takes home the Turin title?

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dking68

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Now we have our 8 hardworking qualifiers who have had a spectacular season and have earned their place rightfully so in Turin. Now it’s soon time for the most anticipated event at the end of the season - The Nitto ATP Finals! Who will lift the trophy in Turin?

Our qualifiers are:

Novak Djokovic
Carlos Alcaraz
Daniil Medvedev
Jannik Sinner
Andrey Rublev
Stefanos Tsitsipas
Alexander Zverev
Holger Rune

Our two alternates

Hubert Hurkacz
Taylor Fritz

Novak Djokovic is the reigning champion. Will he be able to defend his crown? Or who will he relinquish it to? Please vote and discuss. Thank you.
 
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The pair of seeds will be
1-2 Djokovic Alcaraz
3-4 Medvedev Sinner
5-6 Rublev Tsitsipas
7-8 Zverev Rune

As usual, the draw will be important. I used to think being in the "weaker" group was better, but I changed my mind over the years. Being in the most difficult group guarantees you an easier Semifinal. Best example In 2021 Djokovic beat Norrie, Ruud and Rublev but then had to beat the deadly duo Zverev/Medvedev. On the contrary in 2022, he was with Medvedev and Tsitsipas... playing the 2nd best player of the weaker group (Fritz) in Semifinal was much easier.

In this case, IMO Djokovic > Alcaraz, Sinner > Medvedev, Tsitsipas > Rublev, Zverev > Rune.
So, the strongest group would be Djokovic/Sinner/Tsitsipas/Zverev, the weaker one would be Alcaraz/Medvedev/Rublev/Rune.
Even if Rune played a great match today, the surface in Turino is WAY faster than in Paris. It's more similar to Basel/Vienna. Same for Alcaraz... I think he still needs to improve on fast indoor conditions and he is out of form right now. I think Zverev shines better on fast courts with his serve, that's why he won this tournament twice. The trio Tsitsipas/Zverev/Medvedev will thrive in these conditions, though I still put Sinner ahead of Medvedev after that Vienna final on a similar court. Rublev can make the Semi or final maybe, but he is never winning the whole thing.

So.... I'd say Djokovic and Sinner as big favorites. Zverev-Tsitsipas-Medvedev as strong contenders. Alcaraz-Rune-Rublev little chance.
 
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dking68 said:
Now we have our 8 hardworking qualifiers who have had a spectacular season and have earned their place rightfully so in Turin. Now it’s soon time for the most anticipated event at the end of the season - The Nitto ATP Finals! Who will lift the trophy in Turin?

Our qualifiers are:

Novak Djokovic
Carlos Alcaraz
Daniil Medvedev
Jannik Sinner
Andrey Rublev
Stefanos Tsitsipas
Alexander Zverev
Holger Rune

Our two alternates

Hubert Hurkacz
Taylor Fritz

Novak Djokovic is the reigning champion. Will he be able to defend his crown? Or who will he relinquish it to? Please vote and discuss. Thank you.
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Djokovic is the safest bet, as his primary indoor HC threats Zverev & Medvedev are in patchy form; Alcaraz is almost useless on this surface and is also out of form since the Wimbledon triumph; and everyone else is a notch or two below him.
 
Boris talked to the German media yesterday after the Rune loss and they asked him about Alcaraz and the YEC.

He was brutally honest and said, "well, you know, Turin surface is as fast almost as carpet back in our day. It's the fastest surface on the circuit. Alcaraz hasn't proven he can play on fast, fast surfaces. Wimbledon isn't fast anymore. I think Djokovic is the favorite because he can play on glass if that was the surface. He has the advantage over the field there. Maybe Zverev too if he serves at his highest level. It will be interesting."
 
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Hard to pick against Novak. He’s lost one match on hard courts all year. The other guys are just playing for second place – although the draw will make that race for second interesting. I could see anyone in the semis, depending on how things fall.
 
tudwell said:
Hard to pick against Novak. He’s lost one match on hard courts all year. The other guys are just playing for second place – although the draw will make that race for second interesting. I could see anyone in the semis, depending on how things fall.
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Sinner will make the big surprise in Turin!
 
I think Djokovic, Sinner and Medvedev in that order are more likely to win than others. However the rest of the line-up is also good. Carlos is the only one whose form now is noticeably worse than what it used to be earlier. Looking forward to this especially as most of the participants have some indoor credentials already and all their serves can bail them out of trouble.
 
Games won % against top 10 players on hard courts in 2023, according to UTS:

Djokovic 58.7%
Alcaraz 54.7%
Medvedev 53.3%
Sinner 53.0%
Rune 45.6%
Tsitsipas 45.5%
Rublev 44.4%
Zverev 44.0%

Novak’s just head and shoulders above the rest. I don’t care what his age is – he’s just better, and there are no signs the field is catching up. He even has some room for wobbles here with the round robin format. But who knows – that’s why they play the matches.
 
tudwell said:
Games won % against top 10 players on hard courts in 2023, according to UTS:

Djokovic 58.7%
Alcaraz 54.7%
Medvedev 53.3%
Sinner 53.0%
Rune 45.6%
Tsitsipas 45.5%
Rublev 44.4%
Zverev 44.0%

Novak’s just head and shoulders above the rest. I don’t care what his age is – he’s just better, and there are no signs the field is catching up. He even has some room for wobbles here with the round robin format. But who knows – that’s why they play the matches.
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Rune? Lol this guy has not done squat on outdoor hard. I don’t trust these stats
 
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Honestly, only Sinner can stop the world number 1 in Turin.
Zverev is not the same as before the injury, Medvedev is in free fall, Alcaraz, the same and it is not his best surface, Tsitsipas is not good enough with that very poor backhand, Rublev is a limited player, Rune has great potential but is still "tender", so only the young Italian player will be able to accomplish the feat of ending the Serbian wolf in the ATP Finals.
:D
 
Baseline_Bungle said:
Oh god...
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His level in Vienna was imo higher than what we saw from anyone in Paris this week, with an uneven Novak vs Griekspoor and others. Djokovic is obviously a better player and both he and Medvedev likely would be favored, but no one else particularly scares me for Jannik. what he must avoid is an arduous RR stage full of three setters, getting looped into grueling matches before the knockouts.
 
Kralingen said:
His level in Vienna was imo higher than what we saw from anyone in Paris this week, with an uneven Novak vs Griekspoor and others. Djokovic is obviously a better player and both he and Medvedev likely would be favored, but no one else particularly scares me for Jannik. what he must avoid is an arduous RR stage full of three setters, getting looped into grueling matches before the knockouts.
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I think Medvedev is an inferior player to Jannik @Kralingen . I would say Sinner is the #3 player in the world right now (form number 2 for sure/most inform player), in the next 4-6 months the ranking will show it. It’s only gonna get harder for Medvedev to beat Sinner, he’s growing in level week by week, month by month and I don’t see him beating Sinner in Turin if he couldn’t do it in Vienna/Beijing
 
Kralingen said:
His level in Vienna was imo higher than what we saw from anyone in Paris this week, with an uneven Novak vs Griekspoor and others. Djokovic is obviously a better player and both he and Medvedev likely would be favored, but no one else particularly scares me for Jannik. what he must avoid is an arduous RR stage full of three setters, getting looped into grueling matches before the knockouts.
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It's also a very different kind of stage, both for the level of the event and the fact of playing in Italy with insane expectations. He was an intriguing, last-minute underdog with no real pressure when he played the Next Gens in 19 and the Finals in 21 - now he's coming in as one of the favorites, riding arguably the best form of his career: an entirely new situation for him. Curious to see how he fares...
 
To be honest I have sneaky feeling that Novak may lose in the Semi finals this year.

I hope not and he wins it for 7th record time but to be honest he has already so many records that anything else he wins from here on in is just a bonus as far as I am concerned. Unless Rafa stages a miracle comeback next year then Novak is already greatest of big 3 in most pundits and more neutral fans minds.
 
There is no way we won't have Sinner vs Djoker this time.

Alcaraz is null on this surface, Tsitsipas is corrupted by Badosa, Becker will need time to elevate Rune, Zverev is not the same after that injury, Med has been exposed by Novak and Sinner, and Rublev is Rublev.
 
Rune has a chance and the only one to be undefeated against 3 participants.

I think Novak, Zverev and Rune are my Top 3. Definitely not Alcaraz who's clearly injured/fatigued unproven and unlikely Sinner for same reason.

Leaves Daniil who has a chance while Rublev and City would need some upsets to ease their route.
 
Rune is the only player in the field who has proven he can handily defeat Djokovic and just last week played him insanely close. And that happened at the tail end of the worst slump of his career, including the juniors. He showed what brand of tennis disturbs Novak.

Med is going nowhere in these super fast conditions, Alcaraz is playing atrocious tennis, no one in the field is playing inside the baseline or tenaciously coming to net, which is the tennis that needs to be played in super fast conditions.They're not even capable of it.

Except Holger.

Djokovic is the prohibitive favorite, but the only man in the field who had a 50/50 chance of beating him is Rune. Sinner fanatics need to stand down when he's never come close to beating Novak, or Holger for that matter. It's like hyping Ferrer against Federer.

Novak easily takes the trophy, but Rune can beat him in the RR stage. Djokovic will probably play someone like Rublev in the final and dismiss him 6-2, 6-2.

Predicting this YEC is like predicting Fed at Wimbledon in 2006, it's a done deal unless he literally breaks a leg in his first RR match.
 
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BeatlesFan said:
Rune is the only player in the field who has proven he can handily defeat Djokovic and just last week played him insanely close. And that happened at the tail end of the worst slump of his career, including the juniors. He showed what brand of tennis disturbs Novak.

Med is going nowhere in these super fast conditions, Alcaraz is playing atrocious tennis, no one in the field is playing inside the baseline or tenaciously coming to net, which is the tennis that needs to be played in super fast conditions.They're not even capable of it.

Except Holger.

Djokovic is the prohibitive favorite, but the only man in the field who had a 50/50 chance of beating him is Rune. Sinner fanatics need to stand down when he's never come close to beating Novak, or Holger for that matter. It's like hyping Ferrer against Federer.

Novak easily takes the trophy, but Rune can beat him in the RR stage. Djokovic will probably play someone like Rublev in the final and dismiss him 6-2, 6-2.

Predicting this YEC is like predicting Fed at Wimbledon in 2006, it's a done deal unless he literally breaks a leg in his first RR match.
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Man, you’re delusional
 
BeatlesFan said:
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Except Holger.

Djokovic is the prohibitive favorite, but the only man in the field who had a 50/50 chance of beating him is Rune. Sinner fanatics need to stand down when he's never come close to beating Novak, or Holger for that matter. It's like hyping Ferrer against Federer.
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Rune easily loses to everyone except Djokovic. I can see it easily.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Sinner beats Nole. If he serves like the last 2 tournaments.
 
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