2023 NITTO ATP FINALS TORINO

Who takes home the Turin title?


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Vincent-C

Hall of Fame
Dude have you not opened up your eyes and see how Sinners career has progressed?

Sinner did some great things
1. Beat two top three players in a row in straights
2. Snapped a 19 match winning streak from the greatest tennis player in history
3. Beat the current second best hard courter in the last 5 years in two hardcourt finals (now third best to Sinner IMO)
I think Sinner has a good shot at winning Majors next year. His composure in the Djok match was just right.

Adding: wouldn't a Sinner-Djok rematch @ AO be exciting?
 
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top10

Semi-Pro
I think Sinner has a good shot at winning Majors next year. His composure in the Djok match was just right.

Adding: wouldn't a Sinner-Djok rematch @ AO be exciting?
I think we may see the rematch very soon @final.
I hope Sinner had not peaked too early…
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
So if I’ve done my math right Alcaraz will advance if he defeats Medvedev OR if Zverev loses to Rublev. The only way for him not to advance is if he loses to Medvedev AND Zverev beats Rublev. Pretty decent odds, I’d say.
 

ppma

Professional
So if I’ve done my math right Alcaraz will advance if he defeats Medvedev OR if Zverev loses to Rublev. The only way for him not to advance is if he loses to Medvedev AND Zverev beats Rublev. Pretty decent odds, I’d say.

He's thirsty for revenge from the US Open. I hope that match is gonna be crazy.
 

Notorious_Junkballer

Hall of Fame
This point system is rotten. Hubi and Djoko have now nothing to play for after Djoko lost the second set. No matter if he wins or loses, Novak's faith is now in Sinner's & Rune's hands. Regardless if Djoko wins or loses and Rune wins, Rune rides on. Djoko's only chance now is Sinner beating Rune, and this doesn't even require him winning the 3rd set and the match against Hubi. Please, tell me I've got this wrong!
 

Cortana

Legend
This point system is rotten. Hubi and Djoko have now nothing to play for after Djoko lost the second set. No matter if he wins or loses, Novak's faith is now in Sinner's & Rune's hands. Regardless if Djoko wins or loses and Rune wins, Rune rides on. Djoko's only chance now is Sinner beating Rune, and this doesn't even require him winning the 3rd set and the match against Hubi. Please, tell me I've got this wrong!
Well if Rune wins, he has a 3-0. Djokovic and Sinner would be both at 2-1 and Djokovic lost the match against Sinner. So he should be 3rd?
 

Notorious_Junkballer

Hall of Fame
Well if Rune wins, he has a 3-0. Djokovic and Sinner would be both at 2-1 and Djokovic lost the match against Sinner. So he should be 3rd?
Sinner is already through now that Djokovic lost the second set.

The other place is Rune's if he wins tonight. If he loses, Djokovic is through, even if he lost the 3rd set against Hubi.
 
Well if Rune wins, he has a 3-0. Djokovic and Sinner would be both at 2-1 and Djokovic lost the match against Sinner. So he should be 3rd?

Here's what the official page says:

If the Italian defeats Rune on Thursday evening, Djokovic will finish second in Green Group and move on. If Rune beats Sinner, the Dane will win the group and the home favourite will qualify second, eliminating Djokovic. The Serbian has not been ousted in Nitto ATP Finals group play since 2019.

Source: https://www.nittoatpfinals.com/en/news/djokovic-hurkacz-turin-2023-thursday
 

InvisibleSoul

Hall of Fame
Not to suggest anything dishonest, but wouldn't it be in basically everyone's best interest, including Jannik, if Rune was to win today?
 

robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
Not to suggest anything dishonest, but wouldn't it be in basically everyone's best interest, including Jannik, if Rune was to win today?
There is potential for what they call in Italy, a cookie (biscotto). I don't know why it is actually called that (maybe @Baseline_Bungle could explain the origin), but with group play being such common in soccer/football tournaments, it comes up very often.
 

InvisibleSoul

Hall of Fame
There is potential for what they call in Italy, a cookie (biscotto). I don't know why it is actually called that (maybe @Baseline_Bungle could explain the origin), but with group play being such common in soccer/football tournaments, it comes up very often.
Yeah... playing the final matches concurrently would help prevent this situation, at least partially.

There was also the famous incident for badminton in the Olympics for something similar: https://www.espn.com/olympics/summe...nton-players-disqualified-trying-lose-matches
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
So who do you guys think will go through from the other group? Alcaraz/Medvedev/Zverev? It's worth noting that Zverev's final match is vs Rublev who is already out having lost both his matches so could that be a factor?
 

alexio

G.O.A.T.
So who do you guys think will go through from the other group? Alcaraz/Medvedev/Zverev? It's worth noting that Zverev's final match is vs Rublev who is already out having lost both his matches so could that be a factor?
meddy is already there, only question who has second ticket, tiny or zebrev
 
So who do you guys think will go through from the other group? Alcaraz/Medvedev/Zverev? It's worth noting that Zverev's final match is vs Rublev who is already out having lost both his matches so could that be a factor?
I think probably meddy and Zverev. I’m not sure if Alcaraz can beat meddy in these fast indoor conditions.

Then again he improved a lot 2nd match and has more to play for. We will see.
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
So who do you guys think will go through from the other group? Alcaraz/Medvedev/Zverev? It's worth noting that Zverev's final match is vs Rublev who is already out having lost both his matches so could that be a factor?
I’m picking Alcaraz to come through. Zverev’s lost three straight to Rublev, all of them this year, only winning one set – and a tiebreak at that. Of course, Rublev hasn’t looked great here but his form coming into the tournament was better than Zverev’s. Alcaraz has a decent shot of beating Medvedev as well, but if Zverev loses it doesn't even matter what Alcaraz does – he's through to the semis.
 

mightyjeditribble

Hall of Fame
Interesting that Sinner's win put Djokovic through. He'll be pleased to get his first win v Rune though.

It seems strange that they put the Alc v Med match first today. If Alcaraz wins today, the second match is a dead rubber.
 

paolo2143

Professional
Sinner will destroy novak here and also destroy him at the australian open
Lol he hardly destroyed him the other night winning a final set tie breaker in an epic match. Novak may well be beaten by Med or Sinner over weekend but to say that Sinner will destroy him at Aussie open sounds more like wishful thinking on your part.
Don't get me wrong i think Novak may only have 1 more GS in him and another 2-3 1000 Masters but if he was to somehow win OG next year that would be just fine with me. He has already most of the really big records , anything else from now on in is just a lovely bonus unless Rafa can pull off an unlikely miracle next year.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Interesting that Sinner's win put Djokovic through. He'll be pleased to get his first win v Rune though.

It seems strange that they put the Alc v Med match first today. If Alcaraz wins today, the second match is a dead rubber.
Betting lines my friend. Since the outcome can greatly affect the Zverev line. He's currently favored at around 1.6 with Ruble at 2.3 but both lines likely go even if it's meaningless and dare I say Zverev maybe just folds while Ruble will play for the 200 and money.
 

ALCARAZWON

Professional
Sinner will win his first slam in Australia?
Or Nadal wins his 23rd.
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robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
Says who? He has millions of global fans. At the end of the day, he is the GOAT no matter whether people like him or not.
That’s exactly my point. He has millions of fans (most of them with some similar personality traits), but he could have tens of millions of fans, like Fed or Nadal. And he may have the best stats on paper, but if you think that is all that matters to him, you are mistaken. He is desperate to be loved and adored like the others. Like Valentino Rossi, for example.

Plus, you shouldn’t be so certain about him being the undisputed this or that. It’s not a true/false question.
 
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