2023 Paris Open ATP Master's 1000 Quarterfinal matchup - Novak Djokovic [1] (SRB) v/s Holger Vitus Nodskov Rune [6] (DEN)

[Kralingen]

Man I didn’t miss this BS challenge drama

Electronic linespeople make the experience so much better. I hate to say it but automate it all.

 

[MeatTornado]

No way an angry Novak loses this game now.

 

[ultimathule]

Djokovic has a point. Rune played the ball

 

[Krish0608]

Novak was right about the challenge

 

[Zodd]

was a late call tbf

 

[nolefam_2024]

MP came and went

 

[ojo rojo]

Their so-called friendship will be short-lived lol

 

[CoolCoolCool]

37 year old Roger had a big decline and demise - no big titles after age 37. 37 year old Rafa has not win a big title. The same will happen for Nole

Rog was a point away from winning Wimbledon at 38, reached a slam SF on his weakest surface and it took the clay GOAT to stop him. And Djoker is himself fitter than Rog.

Rafa is an entirely different case, given the multiple physical issues he's been dealing with his whole career.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Huge call from umpire but it’s fired Novak up. Rune saves first MP though.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Rog was a point away from winning Wimbledon at 38, reached a slam SF on his weakest surface and it took the clay GOAT to stop him. And Djoker is himself fitter than Rog.

Rafa is an entirely different cases, given the multiple physical issues he's been dealing with his whole career.

Roger would have been beaten by Dominic as well if not Rafa. And Nole.

 

[Kralingen]

Crowd chanting Holger

 

[NoleFam]

Rune did the same thing yesterday with the late challenging and the umpire let him get away with it. It's the umpires fault allowing him to do that.

 

[Krish0608]

Reminds me of the time when Roger went ballistic about a very late challenge from Delpo

 

[ultimathule]

C'mon, kid.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Rune did the same thing yesterday with the late challenging and the umpire let him get away with it. It's the umpires fault allowing him to do that.

Rune is a kid.
I say umpires should put fear of god in players when they are still kids. When they get older, they will bully umpires.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Wow! Incredible baseline rally!

 

[tudwell]

Why does Paris even have line umps still? ATP should just institute automated line calling for all events, at least off clay.

 

[Terenigma]

God I want nothing more than Djokovic to break and end the match here here but credit to Rune, he's playing some great tennis right now to hang on.

 

[dking68]

Roger would have been beaten by Dominic as well if not Rafa. And Nole.

Either way there’s a pattern after turning 37. No big titles

 

[EddieChang]

Why do we still have lines-persons it’s ridiculous

 

[RF-18]

This is cheating honestly.

 

[mahatma]

What's the rule around challenge. Can one challenge after hitting the ball?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Why does Paris even have line umps still? ATP should just institute automated line calling for all events, at least off clay.

If it was automatic line calling, the match wouldn't have changed though. I don't see why it's a big issue.

 

[BeatlesFan]

C'mon, kid.

Win or lose, I'm proud of Holger. He's played his heart out, he's kept his focus, he's taking rally balls and serves within the baseline-- even if he loses, which is likely, this announces he's back and will be a force in 2024. We'll see what he brings to Turin.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Titanium hold from Rune! Balls of steel there from the young Dane.

 

[nolefam_2024]

This is cheating honestly.

What is cheating. The ball was out. Nole would have lost it if Umpire wasn't stupid enough.

 

[Pheasant]

Rune stepped up big. This kid has grit. He saved a match point and played well at those last couple of deuces. That's much easier said than done against a stone-cold killer shark.

 

[NoleFam]

Rune is a kid.
I say umpires should put fear of god in players when they are still kids. When they get older, they will bully umpires.

Well at the very least they can do their jobs. Shouldn't be allowed to challenge after you miss your next shot.

 

[EddieChang]

If it was automatic line calling, the match wouldn't have changed though. I don't see why it's a big issue.

In this case no difference in terms of the result. But it’s caused by two errors in a row to reach this result lol

 

[nolefam_2024]

Well at the very least they can do their jobs. Shouldn't be allowed to challenge after you miss your next shot.

Yes but I like order. Tennis players are too entitled and they need to be held back from time to time.

 

[ultimathule]

And on we go

 

[RF-18]

What's the rule around challenge. Can one challenge after hitting the ball?

No, you can't hit the ball, see where it lands then challenge a previous ball. That's essentially giving the player two chances of winning the point. The rules are clear. Umpire probably regrets it cause he knows how terribly wrong he was there.

 

[tudwell]

What's the rule around challenge. Can one challenge after hitting the ball?

Well yes, but not if you play the shot, as it were. If you stop the point immediately after hitting the ball to challenge, that’s fine. Rune waited to see what his shot was doing before challenging – he didn’t stop the point, so shouldn’t have been able to challenge.

 

[CoolCoolCool]

Roger would have been beaten by Dominic as well if not Rafa. And Nole.

Djoker lost to Thiem, so the point is moot. Thiem was tired, as he had to play 4 days in a row. He very well could have lost to Rog.

 

[UnforcedTerror]

The chair umpire is a massive clown. That challenge by Rune was illegitimate.

 

[joekapa]

Win or lose, I'm proud of Holger. He's played his heart out, he's kept his focus, he's taking rally balls and serves within the baseline-- even if he loses, which is likely, this announces he's back and will be a force in 2024.

 

[mahatma]

If it was automatic line calling, the match wouldn't have changed though. I don't see why it's a big issue.

We don't know how many mistakes line umps must have done. Not every close call is challenged.

Automatic line calling is the best

 

[EddieChang]

In this case no difference in terms of the result. But it’s caused by two errors in a row to reach this result lol

And there has been matches where bad line calls had significant impact on the outcome, so why leave rooms for errors when we can almost always get them right

 

[Zodd]

Reminds me of the time when Roger went ballistic about a very late challenge from Delpo

I remember that point - wonder would've happened had the ball been called in...

 

[tudwell]

If it was automatic line calling, the match wouldn't have changed though. I don't see why it's a big issue.

True but it would get rid of pointless drama like this, as well as the unchallenged calls that do change matches (at least to some extent). And just seems best to be consistent everywhere, instead of having a patchwork of line-calling rules from one tournament to the next.

 

[Kralingen]

Win or lose, I'm proud of Holger. He's played his heart out, he's kept his focus, he's taking rally balls and serves within the baseline-- even if he loses, which is likely, this announces he's back and will be a force in 2024. We'll see what he brings to Turin.

He’s exceeded expectations this tournament for sure. I think he’s trending in a champion’s direction with Boris.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djoker lost to Thiem, so the point is moot. Thiem was tired, as he had to play 4 days in a row. He very well could have lost to Rog.

He beat Roger everywhere that year. IW final, Madrid QF, ATP finals. Roger could not scare Thiem at all.

And on top of that, Roger himself got lucky playing tired Wawrinka. He was no challenge to Rafa who thrashed him.

 

[CoolCoolCool]

The crowd being mad at Djoker because they don't know anything about tennis rules lol.

 

[Benf15harp]

Yeah I see him as a new Murray for sure. Pusher

Minus the defensive skills and endurance lol

 

[Terenigma]

What's the rule around challenge. Can one challenge after hitting the ball?

It must be immediate and it's up to the umpire to decide how immediate you act, like you sometimes can get away with sorta hitting a shot and immediately putting your arm up because of a normal tennis reflex but even that is up to the umpires discretion but in this case it wasn't even close. Rune CLEARLY went for the winner, waited to see if it was in and THEN put his arm up and the umpire allowed it.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic in his post 30 age has added so much variety in his game. It's amazing.

 

[Zodd]

that would've been a tasty dropper

 

[nolefam_2024]

Now please finish this now, 7-5 7-5

 

[Genie Of the Bank]

Oh of course! That's why Djokovic has lost the last two matches he played against Rune - and he was supremely healthy both times.

Nope, injuries both times.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Titanium hold from Rune! Balls of steel there from the young Dane.

Boris: "Stay aggressive, he's feeling it too. Quick points now, quick points!!! He's feeling it too!"