2023 U.S. Open - Women's Discussion

Who will be WTA singles champion for the 2023 U.S. Open?

  • SWIATEK

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • SABALENKA

    Votes: 4 16.7%
  • PEGULA

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • RYBAKINA

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • JABEUR

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • GAUFF

    Votes: 6 25.0%
  • GARCIA

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • SAKKARI

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • VONDROUSOVA

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • OTHER

    Votes: 4 16.7%

  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .
There was some discussion with gauff on who wore the confetti outfit the best, carlos and tiafoe etc .
Keys carried the dress well.

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So far the biggest shock of USO2023 is that someone at Nike actually got paid for coming up with that design.
 

ktx

Professional
I think Coco has a chance to beat Sabs and here’s why:
She’s built up tons of confidence this season,
She wobbled in her semi serving out the match but still pulled through,
She is slicing low balls to her forehand instead of trying to lift it up with her crazy grip,
Her higher balls will take away Sabs’ ability to hit the crap out of the ball,
She will get a lot back,
Her kick serve is underrated.

I watched both semis and while I do think if Aryna is treeing then nobody can beat her. But she really struggled in her semi, and she will have to take the ball super early to hit through Coco. I think Coco has shown she has enough variety to mix it up and make Aryna uncomfortable - maybe the BG influence there. I am excited either way. I hope it’s a good one.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Why is the final on so early? The ladies SF's were on at a decent time for me but this one is just too early.

:(

Anyway, will be cheering for Sabalenka to win her 2nd slam of the year (and career) and stamp her spot on the new #1 ranking. But would be also happy for Gauff to cap off her great North American hard court season with her maiden slam at the ripe old age of 19!
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Why is the final on so early? The ladies SF's were on at a decent time for me but this one is just too early.

:(

Anyway, will be cheering for Sabalenka to win her 2nd slam of the year (and career) and stamp her spot on the new #1 ranking. But would be also happy for Gauff to cap off her great North American hard court season with her maiden slam at the ripe old age of 19!
Over here in the North America (N.Y. time) 4:00 pm is just fine for a match time. It isn't early at all.
In fact, compared to the Wimbledon final it is late!
 

boredone3456

G.O.A.T.
Coco is playing really consistent, which is to her credit because Sabalenka is starting Fiery hot then hitting cold spells. If Coco can take advantage of the dips, she can win this
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Here Aryna I'll give you the secret to winning today.
Think of it as free advice.
You can thank me later. :)

Just play 'business as usual'.
Do NOT, I repeat do NOT over-hit!
And above all STAY CALM!
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Sharapova has just been outed in the audience! Now a brunette.
Tracy Austin.
Seles.
I wonder who they're cheering for? :)
 
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THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Sabalenka (unlike of the entitled Swiatek type) is so carefree when she loses at the majors. That first set was a display of her talent, and one would need to be mainlining some serious crap to think she wll never win another major. She's too good not to.

Coco Gauff has lived up to expectations and won her home nation's major as her breakthrough. She's also the first African American woman to win this title since Sloane Stephens captured the title 6 years ago in 2017. Gauff joins the aforementioned Stephens and of course, Serena and Venus Williams as African American women responsible for winning 9 US Open titles in the 21st century so far (Serena - 5 / Venus - 2 / Stephens - 1 / Gauff - 1).

...and for the dullards who resented the idea of Gauff winning the US Open, claiming her mere presence in the finals was somehow "woke" (whatever hate-induced fantasy that is), well, you can enjoy this new, African American champion for the United States. Yes, its a great day for tennis.

As always, the updated list of majors winners since 2010:


Schiavone: FO - 2010

Clijsters: USO 2010 & AO 2011

Li Na: FO 2011 & AO 2014

Kvitova: Wimbledon 2011 & 2014

Stosur: USO 2011

Sharapova: FO 2012 & FO 2014

Azarenka: AO 2012 & 2013

Bartoli: Wimbledon 2013

Pennetta: USO 2015

Kerber: AO 2016, USO 2016 & Wimbledon 2018

Muguruza: FO 2016 & Wimbledon 2017

Ostapenko: FO 2017

Stephens: USO 2017

Wozniacki: AO 2018

Osaka: USO 2018, 2020 & AO 2019 and 2021

Barty: FO 2019, Wimbledon 2021 & A0 2022

Halep: FO 2018 & Wimbledon 2019

Andreescu: 2019 USO

Kenin: AO 2020

Krejčíková: FO 2021

Raducanu: USO 2021

Świątek: FO 2020 & 2022, 2023 & USO 2022

Rybakina: Wimbledon 2022

Sabalenka: AO 2023

Vondroušová: Wimbledon 2023

Gauff: USO 2023
 
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My (female) friend who is at best a casual fan and was watching with me was just like "that's it?" when it ended because she expected it to be a BO5 rather than BO3. When will women's slams cast off this last vestige of th sexist past so we can start taking them seriously like they deserve to be?
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Little bit awkward in both singles and doubles that we will have new number #1's after the US Open that did not win the tournament.

Sabalenka will dethrone Swiatek for #1 despite losing to Gauff in the final.

Gauff/Pegula will become #1 in the doubles despite losing in the QF's and also having never won a slam in their career. They join the list of slamless number #1s.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Gauff will be #1 in doubles and #3 in singles, the highest ranked player to do so since Serena was #1 in both divisions in August 2010.

Some recent players who came close:

Krejcikova was #1 in doubles and #5 in singles in October 2021

Sabalenka was #1 in doubles and #8 in singles in Feb 2021

Then it was all the way back 2013 with Errani who was #1 in doubles and #5 in singles in 2013.
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Coco ain't winning this.

There are only two possible outcomes:
1. Sab wins it.
2. Sab loses it.

It's ALL on her racket.

OK folks it's time for my match analysis.
I will cut right to the chase. Yesterday I made the above post saying Gauff will not win the match.
I said Sab will either win or lose the match, it was all on her racket.

This was midway into the second set!
I was already starting to see the writing on the wall. Despite her winning the first set, I could see Sab beginning to cave in.
It still wasn't clear at that point how the match would turn out, but the cracks were starting with Sab's game
and I knew she could easily lose it, even at that early stage, being up a set.

Shot for shot, Sab is a stronger player than Gauff. Once a rally begins it is Sab who is usually in the driver's seat.
But that does not automatically translate into points won by Sab.

Strategy, point construction, shot precision, power/control of shot and feel all are important factors for each point
won or lost.
But probably THE most important factor of all is the mental factor. The demons that torment her mind.
This is and probably will always be Sab's Achilles' heel.
While she certainly has improved in this department the past couple of years, it still has a habit
of returning in almost every match she plays.

It all depends on who she is playing, how close the match is, what the stakes are etc. etc.

She wears her heart on her sleeve and her emotions are always on full display for not only the fans,
but most importantly for her opponent.

On paper Sab should have taken the match yesterday. But that totally ignores the mental factor.

I didn't have the sound turned on for much of yesterday's match nor for the Sab-Keys match.
But when I did have it on it was clear as day that the crowd was massively behind Keys and even
more so with Gauff.

Sab was able to get by this annoyance in the Keys match and turn things around to win a squeaker
of a match by the tightest of margins. We had two big babes hitting big balls!

Now let's get to the heart of the matter (which is directly related to Sab's mental factor).
Winners and unforced errors. The tally of these two shot categories will usually tell the whole
picture of a match.

Let's build up slowly, beginning with her Kasatkina match on Sep. 4. 6-1, 6-3
Winners: Kasat: 7 Sab: 31
U.E.'s: Kasat: 11 Sab: 23

We will see that in general, Sab has a habit of going for broke quite often in matches.
Her U.E. count was twice as big as Kasat's but this was countered by hitting more than
four times as many winners.

Next up, her Zheng match on Sep. 6. 6-1, 6-4
Winners: Zheng: 13 Sab: 17
U.E.'s: Zheng: 16 Sab: 12

Here we see that Sab played an extremely clean and efficient match by her standards.
A higher winners count was to be expected of course, but she actually had fewer unforced
errors than her opponent! That was most unusual.

Next up, her Keys match on Sep. 7. 0-6, 7-6 (6-1) , 7-6 (10-5)
Winners: Keys: 32 Sab: 35
U.E.'s: Keys: 35 Sab: 39

These stats are very striking and also very telling.
First they show it was a very closely contested match, which
it was indeed!
Next they show Sab edging out Keys ever so slightly on the winners count.
And no surprise at all, especially with a long three sets match, we have Sab
tallying a whopping 39 unforced errors, surpassing even Key's high number
of 35.
So all of this translates to the conclusion that it's OK to have a high number
of U.E.'s, providing your opponent is also making them!

And now finally the final from yesterday, Sep. 9 6-2, 3-6, 2-6
Winners: Gauff: 13 Sab: 25
U.E.'s: Gauff: 19 Sab: 46

These numbers back up my rather odd statement at the top when I said
that Gauff will not win the match; Sab will either win or lose it.

Sab hit almost twice as many winners as Gauff. That showed who was really
in control (the driver's seat) for most of the match.
But the KILLER, the reason why Sab lost the match in the end, was her 46 unforced
errors. The tally was more than twice as many U.E.'s than Gauff made.

This post is not meant to take anything away from Gauff.
Her game continues to get stronger and stronger each year that passes.
The post is simply meant to explain how and why Sab lost yesterday.
 

ScottleeSV

Hall of Fame
Anyone watching the doubles final?

Siegemund let out the most ridiculously animalistic scream (accompanied by a double leap), just because her team got back to 4-4 in the first set tie break. It was easily a bigger celebration than when Gauff clinched the entire United States Open.

Dabrowski and Routliffe close to victory. I hope they can see it out.
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Anyone watching the doubles final?

Siegemund let out the most ridiculously animalistic scream (accompanied by a double leap), just because her team got back to 4-4 in the first set tie break. It was easily a bigger celebration than when Gauff clinched the entire United States Open.

Dabrowski and Routliffe close to victory. I hope they can see it out.
Thanks for the heads up. I had forgotten about the match.
I tuned in just in time to see the last three points.
They are all great doubles players.
Just a pity Hsieh didn't make the finals. The team that beat Hsieh-Wang ended up with the title.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
OK folks it's time for my match analysis.
I will cut right to the chase. Yesterday I made the above post saying Gauff will not win the match.
I said Sab will either win or lose the match, it was all on her racket.

This was midway into the second set!
I was already starting to see the writing on the wall. Despite her winning the first set, I could see Sab beginning to cave in.
It still wasn't clear at that point how the match would turn out, but the cracks were starting with Sab's game
and I knew she could easily lose it, even at that early stage, being up a set.

Shot for shot, Sab is a stronger player than Gauff. Once a rally begins it is Sab who is usually in the driver's seat.
But that does not automatically translate into points won by Sab.

Strategy, point construction, shot precision, power/control of shot and feel all are important factors for each point
won or lost.
But probably THE most important factor of all is the mental factor. The demons that torment her mind.
This is and probably will always be Sab's Achilles' heel.
While she certainly has improved in this department the past couple of years, it still has a habit
of returning in almost every match she plays.

It all depends on who she is playing, how close the match is, what the stakes are etc. etc.

She wears her heart on her sleeve and her emotions are always on full display for not only the fans,
but most importantly for her opponent.

On paper Sab should have taken the match yesterday. But that totally ignores the mental factor.

I didn't have the sound turned on for much of yesterday's match nor for the Sab-Keys match.
But when I did have it on it was clear as day that the crowd was massively behind Keys and even
more so with Gauff.

Sab was able to get by this annoyance in the Keys match and turn things around to win a squeaker
of a match by the tightest of margins. We had two big babes hitting big balls!

Now let's get to the heart of the matter (which is directly related to Sab's mental factor).
Winners and unforced errors. The tally of these two shot categories will usually tell the whole
picture of a match.

Let's build up slowly, beginning with her Kasatkina match on Sep. 4. 6-1, 6-3
Winners: Kasat: 7 Sab: 31
U.E.'s: Kasat: 11 Sab: 23

We will see that in general, Sab has a habit of going for broke quite often in matches.
Her U.E. count was twice as big as Kasat's but this was countered by hitting more than
four times as many winners.

Next up, her Zheng match on Sep. 6. 6-1, 6-4
Winners: Zheng: 13 Sab: 17
U.E.'s: Zheng: 16 Sab: 12

Here we see that Sab played an extremely clean and efficient match by her standards.
A higher winners count was to be expected of course, but she actually had fewer unforced
errors than her opponent! That was most unusual.

Next up, her Keys match on Sep. 7. 0-6, 7-6 (6-1) , 7-6 (10-5)
Winners: Keys: 32 Sab: 35
U.E.'s: Keys: 35 Sab: 39

These stats are very striking and also very telling.
First they show it was a very closely contested match, which
it was indeed!
Next they show Sab edging out Keys ever so slightly on the winners count.
And no surprise at all, especially with a long three sets match, we have Sab
tallying a whopping 39 unforced errors, surpassing even Key's high number
of 35.
So all of this translates to the conclusion that it's OK to have a high number
of U.E.'s, providing your opponent is also making them!

And now finally the final from yesterday, Sep. 9 6-2, 3-6, 2-6
Winners: Gauff: 13 Sab: 25
U.E.'s: Gauff: 19 Sab: 46

These numbers back up my rather odd statement at the top when I said
that Gauff will not win the match; Sab will either win or lose it.

Sab hit almost twice as many winners as Gauff. That showed who was really
in control (the driver's seat) for most of the match.
But the KILLER, the reason why Sab lost the match in the end, was her 46 unforced
errors. The tally was more than twice as many U.E.'s than Gauff made.

This post is not meant to take anything away from Gauff.
Her game continues to get stronger and stronger each year that passes.
The post is simply meant to explain how and why Sab lost yesterday.
I agree in part, and currently Sabalenka is the better overall player (though Gauff certainly deserved the title and is quickly closing that gap)
I don't think that being the more aggressive player, hitting harder and having the ball on your racket the majority of the time makes someone, necessarily, the better player. Playing defense, taking away winners, and forcing errors with your speed - even if they register as unforced - is also a skill.
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Gabriela Dabrowski/Erin Routliffe take out the US Open in Ladies doubles.

First Ladies Doubles slam for both ladies.

It's also New Zealand's first ever US Open title and just their second ever in Ladies doubles!
I have an opportunity to meet (chat/photo/autographs) Erin tomorrow at my club.
Do you think I should take it? :)
 
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