GodlessEndeavor
Professional
I think this sums it up well.
2023 US Open Final: Daniil Medvedev vs. Novak Djokovic
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I think this sums it up well.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Planet Earth.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
He managed to pass Alcaraz better. Should have practiced more passing shots and definetly step in the ROS positions at least at times.
Benf15harp
Hall of Fame
GAR UN TEA DUH
Benf15harp
Hall of Fame
Meddy wad was blown in SF. Nole almost FKD up continuously getting into those long rallies but survived the second set and that’s all she wrote kids.
Novaks definitely not physically what he was a year or two ago. Age is definitely catching up to him. If he wants more majors he’s gonna have to stop being a wall/defensive minded(only when absolutely necessary) and always be the aggressor. Luckily for him this is as good as it gets in terms of opposition. Some of the worst tennis I’ve ever seen has occurred this season and it’s not improving any time soon
Novaks definitely not physically what he was a year or two ago. Age is definitely catching up to him. If he wants more majors he’s gonna have to stop being a wall/defensive minded(only when absolutely necessary) and always be the aggressor. Luckily for him this is as good as it gets in terms of opposition. Some of the worst tennis I’ve ever seen has occurred this season and it’s not improving any time soon
sortof
Professional
Yes, countless passers in vain. Not a single attempt to play a lob (as far as I remember) too, which was also astonishing.
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Benf15harp
Hall of Fame
Novak is the goat for this reason alone.
6 years worth of slams in 9 years worth of chances.
Nole = 69.
Niekotokio
Semi-Pro
the result doesn't show that
I think the difference against Alcaraz was that Tiny was doing S&V more constantly. Djokovic played many points on his serve without going forward, so Med did not get as much practice. Still Med lost tons of points against Alcaraz like that, up to the point of being ridiculous.
Djokovic’s serve is also better when he does not miss it, this made a difference.
Zardoz7/12
Hall of Fame
I hope djokovic fans aren't rubbing it in, show some class, if you're aggrieved at certain posters let it drop.
lol all joking aside Rafa & Roger still absolute titans of the game and only just behind NovakTennis is saved.
He wasn't that bad especially in 2nd set where he played some amazing tennis it was just that Novak played one of his best matches of the year.
The GOAT debate will never really be over as cannot compare Novak with likes of Laver, different eras and circumstances.
However, unless Rafa mounts miracle of all comebacks next year the argument over who is best of big 3 is definitely over for most people (except a lot of FEDAL fans).
I think you will find most neutrals and ex tennis players and commentators, journalist etc are now coming more and more to same conclusion.
However, unless Rafa mounts miracle of all comebacks next year the argument over who is best of big 3 is definitely over for most people (except a lot of FEDAL fans).
I think you will find most neutrals and ex tennis players and commentators, journalist etc are now coming more and more to same conclusion.
NuBas
Legend
You have to be physically there? Is there an online site?
Fed881981
Hall of Fame
Medvedev had a set point at 5-4 I believe, and then had 5-4 lead in the TB, ended up losing the second set. That was it.
It wasn’t a bad match by him, despite the straight set loss. It’s just Djokovic was clever and found a way to win the big points, while Medvedev couldn’t. After all, this 3-set match lasted 3:17 hours.
Poor Daniil. It must be soul destroying to get to a GS final and then have your efforts neutralised to the point where you cannot even take a set from the opponent. I hope he is okay. In any event, well done for being the finalist - even that is an achievement.
However, the moment belongs to the Maestro. I would be surprised if this further example of his formidable resources is unexpected for many tennis fans. What is there left to say when Novak has taken 3 of the GS titles this year and was a finalist in the only well contested GS final of the year - Wimbledon. To achieve what he has at any time would be outstanding, but to do so this year at age 36 is, in itself, a mark of his great prowess. He regains world number one too. His is a comprehensively superior vantage point on achievements in tennis, and a mind-blowingly exceptional one in all sports. Very well done to Novak.
However, the moment belongs to the Maestro. I would be surprised if this further example of his formidable resources is unexpected for many tennis fans. What is there left to say when Novak has taken 3 of the GS titles this year and was a finalist in the only well contested GS final of the year - Wimbledon. To achieve what he has at any time would be outstanding, but to do so this year at age 36 is, in itself, a mark of his great prowess. He regains world number one too. His is a comprehensively superior vantage point on achievements in tennis, and a mind-blowingly exceptional one in all sports. Very well done to Novak.
Mr.Lob
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic is the Maestro now?
Does Fed know about this?
Niekotokio
Semi-Pro
Fed called himself maestro... I didn't know that
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
This is sore loser thinking.
Yeah, that and completely blowing HUGE winner opportunities, over and over. Kinda brings to mind the old question of, "did he win the match, or did the other guy lose it"? But this is not to rag on Med personally; he's clearly a decent guy and a great sportsman, with virtually no ego. It'd be nice to see him holding up that trophy sometime.
Wow, ok yes Med server bad first couple of games. After that there were powerful rallies and good tennis from both. Not sure where you watched it but there was no indication that Novak just steamrolled him.
tennis24x7
Hall of Fame
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Oh plz Med stunk lol. Not even shocked. The only chance he had was in the second set tiebreaker as well. He was up 3-1 with a serve and couldn’t make it 4-1z
tennis24x7
Hall of Fame
Why is it that suddenly all the players started staying back 20 feet behind baseline? Zverev, Sinner, Wavrinka and Ben this US open.
Not well at all. Yes Med had a bad service game however he was far from bad. He played well and the score does not reflect the high level of tennis from both.
GodlessEndeavor
Professional
I didn't read the post I quoted as saying he played badly (except for his first service game in the first set where he didn't get a single point).
You clearly were not there. He played well.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
He played well yeah sure and got straightsetted. Looked awful on his return. Playing well is not getting straightsetted.
I'm assuming it has to do with the cannonball serves they encounter in modern tennis. Heck, Ben was pushing 150 mph several times. If you stand at the baseline, you simply won't have enough available reaction time. If it's a wide serve to the deuce court and you're 20 feet back, that makes it even wider, which in turn leaves you open to a wide shot to the ad court, as happened to Med WAY too many times. I'm not sure what the best strategy is for dealing with this; they didn't have this issue in the old days. at least not to this degree.
It is odd that you would seek to make a point of this - I refer to all 3 as Maestro's - Roger / Novak and Rafa, and have always acknowledged their achievements. So, ND is not the Maestro "now" he has been one of them for some time.
As for Roger - my favourite player of all time to date. What a Maestro!! I'd be surprised if he knew about me or anything that I write on this board but who knows. maybe you will tell him given your finger wagging! Loooool!
TheNachoMan
Legend
Hope you slept well.
fundrazer
G.O.A.T.
Played well but only had 2 break chances the entire match?
Perhaps you should not comment on something you don’t know? Tennis is a game of a few points, many deuce games and the score is not the best indicator of how well someone played.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Oh zip it. He had his chances in the second and blew it period. If you think he played well in a straight set match you’re just another excuse maker. This final was boring and pretty much predictable. I believe now it’s 1-4 in finals. A routine straight sets is not a good match lol.
ark_28
Legend
Oops!
ark_28
Legend
95% chance? Hahahahahaha
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
To be fair he had to play djokodal in all those slam finals. That’s rotten luck!
Not boring for thousands of us there.
joshuayuan
Professional
More like you couldn't make your mind up.
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
What do you mean? I made my mind up... to pick Djokovic in 4. You seem confused?
He did break once.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Well maybe because you don’t like competitive tennis. This was another ho hum final lol.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Well that’s the problem as well. These guys can’t get over the hump mentality. I never thought this guy had any chance . None at all. Novak was well rested. I had predicted novak in straight sets. I think it would have been a decent match and tougher maybe for novak had he lost that second set. Once again these guys come up small. Anyway give me a rested novak over the field any day of the week lol. It’s very predictable.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
I watched the match live and watched the second set again today.
My #1 thought is that Med's tactics were abysmal. As others have said, Med was constantly hitting his passing shots directly at Novak. Yes, Djokovic has dramatically improved at net, but he's still not a natural serve and volleyer and he's never been comfortable up there. Yet Med continually hit it right back to his opponent, almost without exception. Sinfully bad decision from him.
#2 is that Med clearly saw Djokovic was laboring physically in the second set. Sure, he was exaggerating his exhaustion for effect. But Med didn't try to run Djokovic into the ground and take his legs from him entirely. He continually hit the ball right back to him. He wasn't initiating side to side baseline exchanges, Med was basically hitting the ball right in the middle of the court throughout most of the match. He didn't hit one drop shot or one lob. Bafflingly bad decision. Make Djokovic run and run some more.
So Daniil really deserved to lose and with his maddeningly passive play, I'm happy he lost since such cowardly play and absurd ROS position shouldn't be rewarded. It was a baffling and horrible strategic performance from Daniil, up there with his chokefest against Rafa at the AO. It's basic tennis to change a losing game and to ruthlessly pounce on an opponent who is struggling physically. Med handed it to Novak, though he wouldn't have won the match even had he played tactically sound. Novak is clearly two levels above him and that's not changing even with advancing years.
All credit to Djokovic for winning this slam at age 36, that's a towering achivement. He's the best of the best and to win 3 slams in one year at age 35-36 is mind blowing. Total credit to him for his 2023 year.
My #1 thought is that Med's tactics were abysmal. As others have said, Med was constantly hitting his passing shots directly at Novak. Yes, Djokovic has dramatically improved at net, but he's still not a natural serve and volleyer and he's never been comfortable up there. Yet Med continually hit it right back to his opponent, almost without exception. Sinfully bad decision from him.
#2 is that Med clearly saw Djokovic was laboring physically in the second set. Sure, he was exaggerating his exhaustion for effect. But Med didn't try to run Djokovic into the ground and take his legs from him entirely. He continually hit the ball right back to him. He wasn't initiating side to side baseline exchanges, Med was basically hitting the ball right in the middle of the court throughout most of the match. He didn't hit one drop shot or one lob. Bafflingly bad decision. Make Djokovic run and run some more.
So Daniil really deserved to lose and with his maddeningly passive play, I'm happy he lost since such cowardly play and absurd ROS position shouldn't be rewarded. It was a baffling and horrible strategic performance from Daniil, up there with his chokefest against Rafa at the AO. It's basic tennis to change a losing game and to ruthlessly pounce on an opponent who is struggling physically. Med handed it to Novak, though he wouldn't have won the match even had he played tactically sound. Novak is clearly two levels above him and that's not changing even with advancing years.
All credit to Djokovic for winning this slam at age 36, that's a towering achivement. He's the best of the best and to win 3 slams in one year at age 35-36 is mind blowing. Total credit to him for his 2023 year.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Yeah you got it spot on with your analysis. Congrats. You should have put a wager on 3 sets! Lol
Do you understand that Daniil plays tennis that his body can handle ... He is a very tall and skinny guy without much muscles ...he has no power to his shots and long limbs disturb his subtle movement shots like net game and slices where you need a strong wrist also .. his skinniness allows him to run longer and faster and that is his only natural ability ... And he trying to make the most of what nature gave him ... for example Tsitsipas has perfect tennis body with plenty of power and abilities but he cant win as often as Daniil ,i Mean Medvedev isn't a next Federer or Djokovic but at least he somehow managed to overcame his natural weaknesses and able to stay at the top of the game .
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