2023 US Open Final: Daniil Medvedev vs. Novak Djokovic

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Rina

Hall of Fame
Well maybe because you don’t like competitive tennis. This was another ho hum final lol.
You seem mad for some reason. Is it bcs you are trying to convince yourself that Novak won bcs Med played poorly?
As for competitive tennis, I’m more than in the know.
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
You seem mad for some reason. Is it bcs you are trying to convince yourself that Novak won bcs Med played poorly?
As for competitive tennis, I’m more than in the know.

No **** med brung nothing to the table. Couldn’t even make it competitive. Again straightsetted! I had Novak winning in straight sets because med was gonna bring nothing.
 

Rina

Hall of Fame
No **** med brung nothing to the table. Couldn’t even make it competitive. Again straightsetted! I had Novak winning in straight sets because med was gonna bring nothing.
Ok, then Prozac is a wonderful drug. very little side effects an many benefits.
 

Rina

Hall of Fame
I watched the match live and watched the second set again today.

My #1 thought is that Med's tactics were abysmal. As others have said, Med was constantly hitting his passing shots directly at Novak. Yes, Djokovic has dramatically improved at net, but he's still not a natural serve and volleyer and he's never been comfortable up there. Yet Med continually hit it right back to his opponent, almost without exception. Sinfully bad decision from him.

#2 is that Med clearly saw Djokovic was laboring physically in the second set. Sure, he was exaggerating his exhaustion for effect. But Med didn't try to run Djokovic into the ground and take his legs from him entirely. He continually hit the ball right back to him. He wasn't initiating side to side baseline exchanges, Med was basically hitting the ball right in the middle of the court throughout most of the match. He didn't hit one drop shot or one lob. Bafflingly bad decision. Make Djokovic run and run some more.

So Daniil really deserved to lose and with his maddeningly passive play, I'm happy he lost since such cowardly play and absurd ROS position shouldn't be rewarded. It was a baffling and horrible strategic performance from Daniil, up there with his chokefest against Rafa at the AO. It's basic tennis to change a losing game and to ruthlessly pounce on an opponent who is struggling physically. Med handed it to Novak, though he wouldn't have won the match even had he played tactically sound. Novak is clearly two levels above him and that's not changing even with advancing years.

All credit to Djokovic for winning this slam at age 36, that's a towering achivement. He's the best of the best and to win 3 slams in one year at age 35-36 is mind blowing. Total credit to him for his 2023 year.
Much you wrote is good, however, it should be taken into account that Med had to run a lot and often his huge limbs got in the way of him being able to actually play more aggressively. If you are awkward in your running, you will not be able to execute great shot placement.
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
Much you wrote is good, however, it should be taken into account that Med had to run a lot and often his huge limbs got in the way of him being able to actually play more aggressively. If you are awkward in your running, you will not be able to execute great shot placement.

Gosh dude are you med’s publicist? Lol
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Do you understand that Daniil plays tennis that his body can handle ... He is a very tall and skinny guy without much muscles ...he has no power to his shots and long limbs disturb his subtle movement shots like net game and slices where you need a strong wrist also .. his skinniness allows him to run longer and faster and that is his only natural ability ... And he trying to make the most of what nature gave him ... for example Tsitsipas has perfect tennis body with plenty of power and abilities but he cant win as often as Daniil ,i Mean Medvedev isn't a next Federer or Djokovic but at least he somehow managed to overcame his natural weaknesses and able to stay at the top of the game .
Maybe DeadMed should start lifting weights?
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Funniest thing was DeadMed passed Djokovic at the net zero times during the match.
Not even once. He couldn't do anything to Djokovic when Djoker came to net. And Djokovic isn't even an S&V player. LMAO
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
I’ve never seen Djokovic volley as well as he did especially on big points. While he has become a good volleyer lately, he was a great volleyer yesterday. If he can keep this up, he will roar his way to staying unbeaten during the indoor season also.
 

Fed881981

Hall of Fame
I’ve never seen Djokovic volley as well as he did especially on big points. While he has become a good volleyer lately, he was a great volleyer yesterday. If he can keep this up, he will roar his way to staying unbeaten during the indoor season also.
He was almost unchallenged at the net yesterday.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
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And indeed it was.
 

tennis24x7

Hall of Fame
I'm assuming it has to do with the cannonball serves they encounter in modern tennis. Heck, Ben was pushing 150 mph several times. If you stand at the baseline, you simply won't have enough available reaction time. If it's a wide serve to the deuce court and you're 20 feet back, that makes it even wider, which in turn leaves you open to a wide shot to the ad court, as happened to Med WAY too many times. I'm not sure what the best strategy is for dealing with this; they didn't have this issue in the old days. at least not to this degree.
Wasn't the server speed the same last year or the year before?
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.

The GOAT debate will never really be over as cannot compare Novak with likes of Laver, different eras and circumstances.

One sport. One history. Laver--like others who won the Grand Slam--are the GOAT players. All others are "best of the rest".

However, unless Rafa mounts miracle of all comebacks next year the argument over who is best of big 3 is definitely over for most people (except a lot of FEDAL fans).

Well, we know of at least one member who spent years pulling nonexistent "evidence" against Djokovic out of his rear (e.g., "career inflation", etc.) all because this member was rattled to the core over the fact his tin god Federer had been surpassed in the majors count. That same member once used majors count as the end-all credit to determine Federer's alleged GOAT-hood when he was ahead of Nadal and Djokovic. Now, TTW in 2023 witnessed this member post lies and goal-post shifting, with "Him Djoker weak Weembleduun player, and career inflation make him not al GOAT! Say its Federer---pleeeaassee? Capiche?"
 

paolo2143

Hall of Fame
One sport. One history. Laver--like others who won the Grand Slam--are the GOAT players. All others are "best of the rest".



Well, we know of at least one member who spent years pulling nonexistent "evidence" against Djokovic out of his rear (e.g., "career inflation", etc.) all because this member was rattled to the core over the fact his tin god Federer had been surpassed in the majors count. That same member once used majors count as the end-all credit to determine Federer's alleged GOAT-hood when he was ahead of Nadal and Djokovic. Now, TTW in 2023 witnessed this member post lies and goal-post shifting, with "Him Djoker weak Weembleduun player, and career inflation make him not al GOAT! Say its Federer---pleeeaassee? Capiche?"
Out of curiosity who was that poster.
 

Lauren_Girl'

Hall of Fame
Seriously, why does Djokovic ALWAYS gets the conditions he wants? Once again the roof is closed when there is no rain, which helps his servebotting. This is annoying as hell. The luckiest player of all time for sure.

Forecast for Sunday were 100% rain and it was raining literally minutes before the final. They also closed the room for the women's final. Please stop these useless polemics.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
I watched the match live and watched the second set again today.

My #1 thought is that Med's tactics were abysmal. As others have said, Med was constantly hitting his passing shots directly at Novak. Yes, Djokovic has dramatically improved at net, but he's still not a natural serve and volleyer and he's never been comfortable up there. Yet Med continually hit it right back to his opponent, almost without exception. Sinfully bad decision from him.

#2 is that Med clearly saw Djokovic was laboring physically in the second set. Sure, he was exaggerating his exhaustion for effect. But Med didn't try to run Djokovic into the ground and take his legs from him entirely. He continually hit the ball right back to him. He wasn't initiating side to side baseline exchanges, Med was basically hitting the ball right in the middle of the court throughout most of the match. He didn't hit one drop shot or one lob. Bafflingly bad decision. Make Djokovic run and run some more.

So Daniil really deserved to lose and with his maddeningly passive play, I'm happy he lost since such cowardly play and absurd ROS position shouldn't be rewarded. It was a baffling and horrible strategic performance from Daniil, up there with his chokefest against Rafa at the AO. It's basic tennis to change a losing game and to ruthlessly pounce on an opponent who is struggling physically. Med handed it to Novak, though he wouldn't have won the match even had he played tactically sound. Novak is clearly two levels above him and that's not changing even with advancing years.

All credit to Djokovic for winning this slam at age 36, that's a towering achivement. He's the best of the best and to win 3 slams in one year at age 35-36 is mind blowing. Total credit to him for his 2023 year.
For all the hype, the next gen players are really poor at passing shots. Even Alcaraz is not so great at that.
Time was when you would approach the net while playing against Nadal. Rafa would pass you easily (especially from his backhand). Every SINGLE time.
I was just completely flabbergasted on how Medvedev was hitting EXACTLY right where Novak stood at the net or where Novak guessed. It's unbelievable. Novak is set point down and Med just hands him a sitter volley at the net -- basically microcosm of the match. BRAINLESS tennis. Med doesn't deserve to win more slams.

It's not like Novak is Edberg/Becker/Rafter at the net. But Med surely made him look like one. Even Nadal did the same to Medvedev, and even to Alcaraz when he beat him once on HC.
Glory to Novak though. He is undoubtedly now the GREATEST. His ability to adapt his game and his sheer will to win is REMARKABLE.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
HUge news today,, Novak arrived in Valentia Spain today to play for Serbia in Davis cup..... will play either tomorrow or day after.... Now that Alcarez pulled out of spain tie,, Novak shows up..........LOL,,, how these avoid each other like plague.... :-D :-D


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robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
Just wanted to say that although Novak was dominant, he embarrassed himself again with the whole "drunken style" routine.

You seem mad for some reason. Is it bcs you are trying to convince yourself that Novak won bcs Med played poorly?
As for competitive tennis, I’m more than in the know.
Ohhhhh, what does this mean? Please elaborate as to how you are "more than in the know"...

Forecast for Sunday were 100% rain and it was raining literally minutes before the final. They also closed the room for the women's final. Please stop these useless polemics.
Yes, I live about 10 miles from Flushing Meadows, and it was raining on and off throughout the day, sometimes pretty heavily.
 

Rina

Hall of Fame
Just wanted to say that although Novak was dominant, he embarrassed himself again with the whole "drunken style" routine.


Ohhhhh, what does this mean? Please elaborate as to how you are "more than in the know"...


Yes, I live about 10 miles from Flushing Meadows, and it was raining on and off throughout the day, sometimes pretty heavily.
LOL, dude, I am not going to say it on a tennis forum.
 

robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
LOL, dude, I am not going to say it on a tennis forum.
Ah, yes, the ultimate internet flex! Make some grandiose claim, and then claim you can't actually provide/share the information needed to back your claim. It's a tale as old as time... or at least as old as the late 1990's.
 

doodlyd

Semi-Pro
Maybe DeadMed should start lifting weights?
man, it doesn't work that way... power is a natural ability in tennis, powershots even depends on technique, Danil has no natural ability to hit hard and his technique is for ginding not for attack type game... and if you were a tall skinny guy you would now how hard is to bild muscles ... and you cant change somthing significant on this stage of a career... only some minor tactial changes and he is already peaked
 

robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
man, it doesn't work that way... power is a natural ability in tennis, powershots even depends on technique, Danil has no natural ability to hit hard and his technique is for ginding not for attack type game... and if you were a tall skinny guy you would now how hard is to bild muscles ... and you cant change somthing significant on this stage of a career... only some minor tactial changes and he is already peaked
Ok, but let's be clear that you are speaking in relative terms.

Medvedev isn't a power player, but he's not totally weak, either. The guy has been near the very top of the game for several years now, has beaten Djokovic in a slam final, and just beat Alcaraz pretty comprehensively. He can put some pace on the ball when going for a winner, usually by hitting a little flatter, and certainly isn't anemic or limited in his play.
 
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