Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
What.... In what world is 3 of the 4 players in the bottom half all being top 10 "the first round of an ATP250"?
I know people here can act dumb but Tiafoe and Fritz are both quite literally top 10 in the world.
2023 US Open - Official Thread for Men's Singles
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I know people here can act dumb but Tiafoe and Fritz are both quite literally top 10 in the world.
optic yellow
Legend
Yes and Shelton is rapidly becoming an elite servebot.
Vamos Carlos Alcaraz
Semi-Pro
Two Americans instead of one = ESPN wants them to be the night session! (;
Rattie
Legend
I don’t think 29 degrees that feels like 37 degrees at night is cool weather.
Updated after round of 16:
Dominance ratio:
Djokovic 1.64
Alcaraz 1.50
Medvedev 1.45
Games won:
Djokovic 68%
Medvedev 68%
Alcaraz 64%
Removing Sinner since he lost. Alcaraz has overtaken Medvedev in dominance ratio, if my math is right. Med still has the lead in games won but I blame that mostly on the first round. Daniil had a truly overmatched opponent, even by ordinary first-round-slam-match standards, and Alcaraz's opponent retired before things could get too lopsided. If Koepfer had finished the match at about the same level as the portion he actually played, then Carlitos's games-won % could be a point or two higher and the gap between him and Medovic wouldn't look like a whole lot. Djokovic is still comfortably ahead in dominance ratio.
Surprisingly (to me, at least), Medvedev has been the best on return. Almost half of return points won (49%) – Djokovic and Alcaraz are several comfortably lower (44-45%). On the other hand, he's been the least efficient on serve. Djokovic has been the most efficient on serve and also winning about 1.3% more return points than Alcaraz. Obviously opposition matters in such a small sample size, but I'm not really seeing any obvious outliers in any of these guys' opponents who would radically skew things (the way Sinner's stats would have been against Zverev, say, had he won that match).
Think it's fair to say Novak has still statistically been the best (of these three, I haven't looked at Fritz or anybody else), but the margin is narrowing.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
How do you factor in Zod's 80% win rate on first serves, especially given that he was playing a great returner like Sinner? That was pretty astounding.
Hmm. US Open site has him at 70% behind first serves in last night's match. And Sinner was hardly moving for some of those in the third set, which might inflate things a tad. That 70% mark is where he's at in his other matches too, with the exception for his first round (whopping 86% of first serves won). He's getting 70% of first serves in, though, or close to it, which is a big number. He'll need to keep that up, or maybe even take things to a slightly higher gear, to have a real chance against Alcaraz or Medvedev, in my opinion.
LeastExhaustingPlayer
Professional
No true tennis fan would utter such words. ESPN, Foxsports, etc. are brainwashing too many Americans. Case in point, Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayless making millions spewing nonsense.
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Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
I meant, how does that factor into your dominance ratio? For him, I feel those numbers are more indicative of his level of play than games won.
Honza
Semi-Pro
Fritz is playing very good. Looking forward to Tiafoe or Shelton.
Anyone of the 4 from the top draw could put up more resistance.
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
I have no idea if the Fritz "lighter than most pros" racquet thing is true, but it looks like it when he tries to bunt those lobs.
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
Anyone of the 4 from the top of the draw and probably several other players knocked out by them could provide more resistance than Fritz.
He looks like he's playing while strapped to roller skates half the time (and not the good half).
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
Taylor Swift had a better chance.
[I joke. I just saw a tweet saying that Carillo accidentally referred to Fritz ad Swift. Lol.]
[I joke. I just saw a tweet saying that Carillo accidentally referred to Fritz ad Swift. Lol.]
Oh. I haven’t actually calculated Zverev’s numbers but the more efficiently you hold serve, the higher your dominance ratio is gonna be (well, as long as return-points-won stays equal). So a high first-serve % and a high win-% behind it bodes well.
LeastExhaustingPlayer
Professional
It's going to be awfully tough for Alca to beat Zebra, likely Med, then most likely Joco to defend his USO title. That is a huge ask. If Alca accomplishes it, the title will be well-deserved. I give him about a 25% chance.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Likely cooler conditions coming up which is good for Djokovic too. He likely will be the first semi as well.
Honza
Semi-Pro
Geez that was terribad from the top 10 players Tiafoe and Fritz. Seemed like first round of an ATP250 to me
Novak is having nice two weeks in the bottom half coming very rested into the final.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I’m not sure about this year but Zverev had a good history of recovering well from long matches in past. He’s physically been a very fit player.
He’s obviously took time to get back but he’s probably playing the best he has prior to his injury. Hopefully he’s physically good and plays well to give Carlos a test tonight.
Updated after quarters – and I’ll throw Shelton in there for fun:
Dominance ratio:
Djokovic 1.54
Alcaraz 1.45
Medvedev 1.35
Shelton 1.26
Games won:
Djokovic 67.3%
Medvedev 66.9%
Alcaraz 64.7%
Shelton 58.2%
Medvedev’s dominance ratio has plummeted the last two rounds. He’s still winning almost half of return points but he’s getting worse on the serve – the least efficient server of the four semi finalists by some margin (like, winning a full 5% fewer serve points). As a result, Alcaraz has overtaken him in dominance ratio, although he still lags behind in games won. Djokovic still in front in both categories, although the margins grow slimmer.
I’d have more hope in Medvedev’s chances in the semifinal if he were cruising on serve. I think his return stats are gonna plummet against Alcaraz, not because Alcaraz’s serve is especially good but because he has every tool in the world to punish Medvedev’s return position on the third ball. He can come to net, he can blast a big forehand, he can dink an impossible drop shot. Med’s gonna be out of sorts as usual. So he really needs to hold serve – and if I’ve counted correctly, he’s already dropped serve 11 times this tournament. Carlos just 4 times (the least of all four guys). I think we’re in for another Wimbledon-like match, unless Medvedev can serve from a tree (which he hasn’t done at all this fortnight) or bring something radically new on the return.
In the other semi, I think it’s clear Shelton is going to be well and truly overmatched on Friday. Not only is Djokovic in a different league on return but he’s even been holding serve more comfortably. Not sure what Shelton can do here except redline his serve for as long as possible. I think the absolute best he does is to snatch a tight set and maybe make another tight as well, but most likely a comfortable straight-setter for Novak.
Gonna be another boring round before we get to the fireworks of the final. Buckle up.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Men's doubles getting ignored again.............. ESPN not even covering it escept online.. LOL. and even this TW board is not taking about it.... Should we just get rid of Doubles from all pro tournaments ??
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Unless Carlos has a broken femur, expect Med to win <9 games.
Rattie
Legend
Not worth trusting feelings.
Rattie
Legend
They were referring to the match against Zverev.
optic yellow
Legend
It is, just not when those feelings are wrong.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Djokovic first, Alcaraz second
Vamos Carlos Alcaraz
Semi-Pro
Vincent-C
Legend
Go, Meddy! Go, Djok!
Vamos Carlos Alcaraz
Semi-Pro
Go Carlos!!!!!!! Go Ben!!!!
Baseline_Bungle
Legend
So I was watching some of the wheelchair matches and I must say, these guys are pretty impressive.
I do have a question though: if one player is an especially good retriever, would it still be appropriate to say "he has good wheels"?
I do have a question though: if one player is an especially good retriever, would it still be appropriate to say "he has good wheels"?
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Yes, I think that's the only way to put it.
Just a note to say very well done to Rajiv Ram and Joe Salisbury for winning the USO men's doubles title!! I know this is a thread for the singles matches but trust I'll be excused! It's their 3rd successive USO title.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Salisbury & Ram win third US Open title in a row
Briton Joe Salisbury and American partner Rajeev Ram come from behind to secure US Open men's doubles title for a third year in a row.
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Rajeev Ram & Joe Salisbury Seal Historic US Open Hat-Trick | ATP Tour | Tennis
Rajeev Ram and Joe Salisbury made history at the US Open on Friday when they became the first team to win three straight doubles titles at the hard-court major.
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Ah, the unjustified overconfidence in Alcatraz, or whatever his name is. For all who thought he's some invincible force and leaving Djokovic behind....well, it serves as a reminder to not build up any current generation player as some ATG (or higher) before they've actually earned that distinction.Obviously I believe that CARLOS will defend his title
Vincent-C
Legend
I agree with your comment.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Eight people picked Med, just for the record.
optic yellow
Legend
I disagree. It was surrounded entirely by not warm water and every bit of faith in it's security as a location was well placed.
Vincent-C
Legend
You and commenter DSH have some commonalities, I think.
BTW: "it's" is a contraction of "it is", only.
optic yellow
Legend
a) I was too lazy (read: tired of typing on a phone keyboard) to fix the typo, which I suppose I have to mea culpa for considering the joke was based off of a typo.
b) I've noticed it is normal for posters to have some commonalities with others? Not sure if you are just noting this or rather trying to insinuate something.
FrankyRelax
Professional
It's raining in Queens?
It's more common for users to have commonalities with banned users.
optic yellow
Legend
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