2023 US Open R16 - Jannik Sinner [6] (ITA) v/s Alexander 'Sascha' Zverev [12] (GER)

[Leonidas]

Now the draw is more even. It would not have been fair for Alcaraz to play Sinner an Medvedev before and hypothetic final.Djoker has his pigeon fritz and Tiafoe or a non seeded player.

 

[Midaso240]

I wanted an epic five set battle, I wanted Zverev to win it, and I want him to crash out in the quarters to Carlos. 2/3 of the way there!

What a match, what a battle! That was intense!

I don't think you have much to worry about, Alcaraz should take care of Z fairly comfortably

 

[Pheasant]

That was a great match. Zverev played a great 5th set, which was the difference in this one.

Zverev appears to be back to his best, which makes him dangerous. Alacaraz will still be favored against Zverev. But Alex is dangerous. I can’t wait to see them play.

 

[dking68]

Exactly. He has never had signature moments. He is 22 already.

Bro he should be coming into his own. His trajectory is seriously behind if he’s to be an ATG. Only lendls trajectory he can follow, when he won a slam at 24, but even at this age he was making slam finals regularly. Sinner hasn’t even made 1

 

[socallefty]

Did Sinner change anything in how he played from set 1 to set 5? He seems to win/lose the same way and never changes what he does - against the best players, it is just not good enough to bang away from both wings mostly to targets far away from the sidelines. Even Zverev was coming to net a lot to win the fifth set today which was a change of pace for the one dimensional style he usually plays. Sinner is not the most physical of players and he needs to find a way to end points quicker in longer matches against elite competition.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sascha vs carlos at USOpen is dream matchup. I hope Sascha recovers. He can give Carlos a big scare.

 

[ADuck]

That was a great match. Zverev played a great 5th set, which was the difference in this one.

Zverev appears to be back to his best, which makes him dangerous. Alacaraz will still be favored against Zverev. But Alex is dangerous. I can’t wait to see them play.

Agree. I don't think things are that much easier for Carlos. Zverev when on is dangerous. Also he beat Carlos pretty convincingly at the French open last year and leads the h2h.

 

[Vamos Carlos Alcaraz]

16 of us predicted correctly Zverev in 5 sets:

• d-quik
• austintennis2005
• arvind13
• TennisFan3
• Nostradamus
• Boom-Boom
• deniz1234
• Berasategui94
• Rafa.the.Magnificent
• Arak
• Fluffy_Skye
• Magneto89
• SlangB
• Razer
• Vamos Carlos Alcaraz
• NYTennisfan

 

[nolefam_2024]

Bro he should be coming into his own. His trajectory is seriously behind if he’s to be an ATG. Only lendls trajectory he can follow, when he won a slam at 24, but even at this age he was making slam finals regularly. Sinner hasn’t even made 1

Lendl is ATG and he was playing like ATG at 22. Only slam wins was not there. We can't compare sinner with lendl.

 

[dking68]

No stamina. So no fight.

I think it’s time to change coaches - Sinner that is. His slam results are worse than last year. Time for a change

 

[Federev]

Zverev has shot vs Carlos. Let's not fear the kid.

Can’t imagine it.

A few glimmers of brilliance but mainly - way too much of a push-fest tonight. And they aren’t Novak.

Tiny won’t have any of it.

 

[dking68]

Lendl is ATG and he was playing like ATG at 22. Only slam wins was not there. We can't compare sinner with lendl.

Yes but Sinner isn’t developing or showing any progress. Progress for me would be avenging the Alcaraz loss last year and playing a slam final. Sinner failed to do that. Apart from the masters, his season has been a complete failure

 

[chjtennis]

Now the draw is more even. It would not have been fair for Alcaraz to play Sinner an Medvedev before and hypothetic final.Djoker has his pigeon fritz and Tiafoe or a non seeded player.

Shelton to beat Djokovic.

Just my wish. I don't think that will happen.

 

[Cortana]

6:4 3:6 6:2 4:6 3:6

What a beatiful score. 2 sets between each 6:4/4:6 combo and 2 sets between each 3:6/6:3 combo, middle set 6:2.

 

[JustTennis76]

Just finished watching Zverev in 5 sets. I'm not sure if Sinner has another gear or game and he's on the tour for a few years now. Not much variation other than just hitting from baseline and raising his arms in delight as if he won the match when he won a point or a game or set. Don't think he has the IT quality.

 

[Rattie]

Agree. I don't think things are that much easier for Carlos. Zverev when on is dangerous. Also he beat Carlos pretty convincingly at the French open last year and leads the h2h.

I don’t think it’s easy for Carlos either but I think the first two wins Zverev had in 2021 were firstly when Carlos was ranked #132 and then a few months later ranked #42. Not really comparable to the player Alcaraz now is, so I pretty much discount those.
That leaves a 2-1 lead in h2h for Carlos, who wiped the floor with Sascha twice. The match he lost at RG, he played really poorly. So, a Carlos in form is a tough one for Zverev on Wednesday, especially given the physical toll this match against Sinner has taken.

 

[abmk]

My bad. In any case, I think it was a significant win and marks a return to form. I think his SF showing against Ruud was not indicative of his true level but this match came closer.

Obviously Ruud match was not indicative of true level (from the scoreline, I didn't watch), but Zverev did play good vs Dimi in 4R (granted Dimi helped) and vs Etchverry in QF - no worse than this match I think (I only watched parts of this match). We'll see what Zverev does in the QF vs Alcaraz.

 

[legcramp]

I wanted an epic five set battle, I wanted Zverev to win it, and I want him to crash out in the quarters to Carlos. 2/3 of the way there!

What a match, what a battle! That was intense!

You're a super cringey Carlos fan.

 

[InsideOut900]

It's official. The little 3 own Sinner. Let's update the numbers. @dking68 help me out here bro in case I underestimate the ownage. @Sampras-Bruguera 1993 you can join in too.
Medvedev - Sinner : 6 - 0
Tsitsipas - Sinner : 5 - 2
Zverev - Sinner : 4 -1

Total 15 - 3 . Absolute ownage.
Starting to read like Fed - Roddick H2H. The next big thing y'all

Throw in Rune, Djoko, Rafa and Rune and that is another 0-10 for Sinner, lol.

Only has good or decent records against Carlos (3-3), Rublev(3-2), Ruud (2-0) and Fritz (1-1)

 

[abmk]

It's official. The little 3 own Sinner. Let's update the numbers. @dking68 help me out here bro in case I underestimate the ownage. @Sampras-Bruguera 1993 you can join in too.
Medvedev - Sinner : 6 - 0
Tsitsipas - Sinner : 5 - 2
Zverev - Sinner : 4 -1

Total 15 - 3 . Absolute ownage.
Starting to read like Fed - Roddick H2H. The next big thing y'all

I see the gist of your post,
but tbf, Sinner did take Tpas to 5 at the AO and beat him in straights at Rotterdam.
So seems to be not owned in that matchup as much as he was earlier.

Zverev Sinner matches have mostly been well contested and this went 5 sets.

But yeah, the Medvedev matchup is still a big question for Sinner even now.

 

[Vamos Carlos Alcaraz]

Carlos will be in form on Wednesday and I am hoping this long match will drain Zverev - that is why I had hoped for a five set battle. My hope and prediction is for Carlos to win on Wednesday!

 

[TennisFan3]

16 of us predicted correctly Zverev in 5 sets:

• d-quik
• austintennis2005
• arvind13
• TennisFan3
• Nostradamus
• Boom-Boom
• deniz1234
• Berasategui94
• Rafa.the.Magnificent
• Arak
• Fluffy_Skye
• Magneto89
• SlangB
• Razer
• Vamos Carlos Alcaraz
• NYTennisfan

As always my prediction was SPOT ON.

 

[ADuck]

I don’t think it’s easy for Carlos either but I think the first two wins Zverev had in 2021 were firstly when Carlos was ranked #132 and then a few months later ranked #42. Not really comparable to the player Alcaraz now is, so I pretty much discount those.
That leaves a 2-1 lead in h2h for Carlos, who wiped the floor with Sascha twice. The match he lost at RG, he played really poorly. So, a Carlos in form is a tough one for Zverev on Wednesday.

I think the match that most closely resembles when both were playing closest to their best was the RG 2022 QF. Since then Zverev was coming back from injury. Now Alcaraz has improved since then too and should definitely be considered favorite, but still, I think it's going to be tougher than people expect.

 

[MichaelNadal]

That is Zverev's 2nd EVER top 10 win at a slam.

His only one was Alcaraz at the 2022 French Open.

Now Sinner.

That's crazy

 

[Krish0608]

I see the gist of your post,
but tbf, Sinner did take Tpas to 5 at the AO and beat him in straights at Rotterdam.
So seems to be not owned in that matchup as much as he was earlier.

Zverev Sinner matches have mostly been well contested and this went 5 sets.

But yeah, the Medvedev matchup is still a big question for Sinner even now.

He loses every close match between them. He’s mentally weak.

 

[Vamos Carlos Alcaraz]

Shelton to beat Djokovic.

Just my wish. I don't think that will happen.

I am an optimist and think he will! Or maybe even Fritz! We will know that one soon enough! They have the day match today!

 

[Vamos Carlos Alcaraz]

I think the match that most closely resembles when both were playing closest to their best was the RG 2022 QF. Since then Zverev was coming back from injury. Now Alcaraz has improved since then too and should definitely be considered favorite, but still, I think it's going to be tougher than people expect.

Could be but I sure hope not! I want Carlos to win easily - I always want Carlos to win easily! (;

 

[Cerdany]

Zverev needs 5 sets to beat severely diminished Sinner... and somehow that's one of the best matches of his career

 

[abmk]

He loses every close match between them. He’s mentally weak.

well yeah, but Sinner has limitations in his game as well. So wouldn't put it solely down to mental weakness.

 

[Rattie]

I think the match that most closely resembles when both were playing closest to their best was the RG 2022 QF. Since then Zverev was coming back from injury. Now Alcaraz has improved since then too and should definitely be considered favorite, but still, I think it's going to be tougher than people expect.

Well that’s not how I remember it. Carlos was spraying errors all over the place and his timing was off. He even double faulted on a break point which is not like him. He really wasn’t impressive while Zverev was in great form that tournament. I do agree that it will be a tough match this time though.

 

[Berasategui94]

The level wasn't very high throughout the match, but Zverev was surprisingly solid and clutch in the 5th and the last service game. I also think Zverev's ceiling is higher than Sinner's, basically because he's got the serve.

 

[NeutralFan]

Now the draw is more even. It would not have been fair for Alcaraz to play Sinner an Medvedev before and hypothetic final.Djoker has his pigeon fritz and Tiafoe or a non seeded player.

Z is not an easy opponent by any means. Z then Med and then Djokovic is far tougher order than just facing Fritz , nobody and Carlos.

 

[ADuck]

Well that’s not how I remember it. Carlos was spraying errors all over the place and his timing was off. He even double faulted on a break point which is not like him. He really wasn’t impressive while Zverev was in great form that tournament. I do agree that it will be a tough match this time though.

Carlos definitely not at his best, but what other match between them was closer?

 

[Rattie]

Carlos definitely not at his best, but what other match between them was closer?

None of them. That one was the closest. Carlos has beaten him easily the other two times, the last time being Madrid a few months ago where Carlos won 6-1, 6-2.

 

[ADuck]

None of them. That one was the closest. Carlos has beaten him easily the other two times, the last time being Madrid a few months ago where Carlos won 6-1, 6-2.

I mean the closest to both being at their best was the RG match. Both times Carlos beat him, Zverev was also nowhere close to his best. The Madrid match last year particularly Zverev played a long night match the previous day and was pretty hopeless for the final.

 

[Rattie]

I mean the closest to both being at their best was the RG match. Both times Carlos beat him, Zverev was also nowhere close to his best. The Madrid match last year particularly Zverev played a long night match the previous day and was pretty hopeless for the final.

Carlos wasn’t anywhere near the closest to his best in that match, that’s my point.
Anyway it should be closer this time although Carlos has the advantage given Zverev has just had a battle over 5 in tough conditions.

 

[ADuck]

Obviously Ruud match was not indicative of true level (from the scoreline, I didn't watch), but Zverev did play good vs Dimi in 4R (granted Dimi helped) and vs Etchverry in QF - no worse than this match I think (I only watched parts of this match). We'll see what Zverev does in the QF vs Alcaraz.

I didn't watch the Etchverry but I would think a win over Sinner (top 10 opponent) is more significant. Agree that we'll see what happens.

 

[ppma]

Said it in Toronto, will say it now. He needs easy draws to win tournaments.

 

[chjtennis]

I am an optimist and think he will! Or maybe even Fritz! We will know that one soon enough! They have the day match today!

No chance Fritz beats him. Taylor had injured Djokovic at AO22(I think it was 22) and he still couldn't beat Novak. Shelton will lose, I think, but it's just more of a wish, haha. I like Shelton and hope he does well on home soil.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

lol it took me a moment to remember Sinner isn't German

Ethnically speaking, it was a Russian v/s a German.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

I think Chicken legs is the more solid of the 2 right now. Goldie Chainz will have his chances but I see chicken legs winning the big points tonight. Looking forward to this though as it could the match of the tournament so far. Let’s hope they both turn up with their best game.

Good morning pal.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

Sinner will have at least a Lendl type career. He will be between Lendl and Emerson if you ask me

I doubt that vey much. Sinner might have a Murray-like career. Lendl is 8 slams, 5 ATP final wins, a ton of Masters and 94 tournament wins overall. Oh, and 270 weeks as number one. Yeah, not gonna happen.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Sucks I had to miss the end but not surprised Zod won

 

[Olli Jokinen]

Ethnically speaking, it was a Russian v/s a German.

Sinner is Austrian if not Italian.

 

[clayqueen]

 

[NeutralFan]

It's official. The little 3 own Sinner. Let's update the numbers. @dking68 help me out here bro in case I underestimate the ownage. @Sampras-Bruguera 1993 you can join in too.
Medvedev - Sinner : 6 - 0
Tsitsipas - Sinner : 5 - 2
Zverev - Sinner : 4 -1

Total 15 - 3 . Absolute ownage.
Starting to read like Fed - Roddick H2H. The next big thing y'all

Didn't realise it was that bad against Z as well lol. His hype was built on sand though , did absolutely nothing to warrant the hype

 

[optic yellow]

Sinner is Austrian if not Italian.

Someone named Sinner pronounced Zinner is definitely not ethnically Italian.

 

[NeutralFan]

Sinner is Austrian if not Italian.

German if you're more technical.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

German if you're more technical.

Austrian is an ethnicity. You could say Germanic, though. Ethnicity is basically stupid.

 

[NeutralFan]

Austrian is an ethnicity. You could say Germanic, though. Ethnicity is basically stupid.

Yeah Germanic , modern boundaries are vague.