2023 will be the last year Nadal and Djokovic win slams

[Deleted member 792641]

I was discussing this in a different thread, but I thought this needed a thread of its own.

Nadal is less of a shocker, because you can tell he is in decline physically. That is only going to get worse. Djokovic is the one more people may be confused by

On Djokovic - In my estimation He's never winning the AO again, even if he plays next year. He is never winning the USO again, even if he plays next year. I'd give him a 10% shot of winning another FO, just because the clay field is amazingly weak now. And I'd said he's the favorite for Wimby 2023. After that, its night-night. Djokovic's slam count will end on 22.

there’s a new ATG talent with ATG confidence. There are two 35+ ATGs who have been obviously declining (Nadal physically, Djokovic in consistency). As they continue to get older, the young ATG gets better. Nadal will take this USO, and maybe next year’s FO. Djokovic is the favorite to take next year’s Wimbledon. AO and USO 2023 are Alcaraz’, unless Sinner shows tremendous improvement and is able to steal one of the hard court majors off Alcaraz.

Alcaraz has a level of consistent offense that can absolutely wipe anyone off the map. No other young gun has this (On Sinner, note consistent). He is the one.

He has no mental red flags. He doesn’t berate umpires or blow gaskets when things aren’t going his way. His family do not hail him as the GOAT (his parents even said he shouldn’t be compared to ATGs.). He has touch and feel at the net and on the baseline, but can whip out the power almost any time he wants and from almost any position. Let’s not even mention his insane speed and fitness.

Alcaraz has played 4 masters this year. His first, he reached the SF. At two of the others he won the title, on two separate surfaces. The only blemish on his record is the Monte Carlo 2R loss.

At the last 4 Majors he has played, Alcaraz’ results: QF-3R-QF-4R

Expect at the very least an SF berth at the USO.

I will slow down on the hype if I see him have the same issues on HC that he has on clay and grass. There is a reason Nadal and Djokovic will still own clay and grass respectively next year. In regards to Sinner’s dispatch of Alcaraz at Wimbledon, return issues are amplified on grass. I understand his ROS isn’t up to par with the rest of his game, but grass is where that matters 2X. He can get away with it on HC. He’s not good enough at this very moment to win USO, but all the HC he will play for the rest of the year will prepare him for the AO, where he will be the winner IMO.

He will take the HC majors in the next year (barring Sinner explosion), and by 2024 Nadal and Djokovic will not be able to keep up with him, and probably an upgraded Sinner. 36 and 37 are not ages that can surpass even a Tier 3 ATG, which is Alcaraz’ floor.

 

[Cortana]

3-4 years from now this thread will get bumped because they won another 5-10 slams.

 

[jm1980]

I'm at peace with that, as long as Fed doesn't win any more

 

[bigbadboaz]

Nads' physical issues are obvious, but I don't know how you can bet so hard against Djoker (and I can't stand him). Too strong, too consistent, and despite your thesis re: Alcaraz, no young gun has shown us anything real yet. Even if they do start coming through, it doesn't mean Djokovic suddenly gets completely shut out.

It pains me but if I'm picking a number, he probably gets three more.

 

[mahatma]

I was discussing this in a different thread, but I thought this needed a thread of its own.

Nadal is less of a shocker, because you can tell he is in decline physically. That is only going to get worse. Djokovic is the one more people may be confused by

On Djokovic - In my estimation He's never winning the AO again, even if he plays next year. He is never winning the USO again, even if he plays next year. I'd give him a 10% shot of winning another FO, just because the clay field is amazingly weak now. And I'd said he's the favorite for Wimby 2023. After that, its night-night. Djokovic's slam count will end on 22.

there’s a new ATG talent with ATG confidence. There are two 35+ ATGs who have been obviously declining (Nadal physically, Djokovic in consistency). As they continue to get older, the young ATG gets better. Nadal will take this USO, and maybe next year’s FO. Djokovic is the favorite to take next year’s Wimbledon. AO and USO 2023 are Alcaraz’, unless Sinner shows tremendous improvement and is able to steal one of the hard court majors off Alcaraz.

Alcaraz has a level of consistent offense that can absolutely wipe anyone off the map. No other young gun has this (On Sinner, note consistent). He is the one.

He has no mental red flags. He doesn’t berate umpires or blow gaskets when things aren’t going his way. His family do not hail him as the GOAT (his parents even said he shouldn’t be compared to ATGs.). He has touch and feel at the net and on the baseline, but can whip out the power almost any time he wants and from almost any position. Let’s not even mention his insane speed and fitness.

Alcaraz has played 4 masters this year. His first, he reached the SF. At two of the others he won the title, on two separate surfaces. The only blemish on his record is the Monte Carlo 2R loss.

At the last 4 Majors he has played, Alcaraz’ results: QF-3R-QF-4R

Expect at the very least an SF berth at the USO.

I will slow down on the hype if I see him have the same issues on HC that he has on clay and grass. There is a reason Nadal and Djokovic will still own clay and grass respectively next year. In regards to Sinner’s dispatch of Alcaraz at Wimbledon, return issues are amplified on grass. I understand his ROS isn’t up to par with the rest of his game, but grass is where that matters 2X. He can get away with it on HC. He’s not good enough at this very moment to win USO, but all the HC he will play for the rest of the year will prepare him for the AO, where he will be the winner IMO.

He will take the HC majors in the next year (barring Sinner explosion), and by 2024 Nadal and Djokovic will not be able to keep up with him, and probably an upgraded Sinner. 36 and 37 are not ages that can surpass even a Tier 3 ATG, which is Alcaraz’ floor.

Lol. Should have stopped at the start.

 

[Marco Rotim]

I was discussing this in a different thread, but I thought this needed a thread of its own.

Nadal is less of a shocker, because you can tell he is in decline physically. That is only going to get worse. Djokovic is the one more people may be confused by

On Djokovic - In my estimation He's never winning the AO again, even if he plays next year. He is never winning the USO again, even if he plays next year. I'd give him a 10% shot of winning another FO, just because the clay field is amazingly weak now. And I'd said he's the favorite for Wimby 2023. After that, its night-night. Djokovic's slam count will end on 22.

there’s a new ATG talent with ATG confidence. There are two 35+ ATGs who have been obviously declining (Nadal physically, Djokovic in consistency). As they continue to get older, the young ATG gets better. Nadal will take this USO, and maybe next year’s FO. Djokovic is the favorite to take next year’s Wimbledon. AO and USO 2023 are Alcaraz’, unless Sinner shows tremendous improvement and is able to steal one of the hard court majors off Alcaraz.

Alcaraz has a level of consistent offense that can absolutely wipe anyone off the map. No other young gun has this (On Sinner, note consistent). He is the one.

He has no mental red flags. He doesn’t berate umpires or blow gaskets when things aren’t going his way. His family do not hail him as the GOAT (his parents even said he shouldn’t be compared to ATGs.). He has touch and feel at the net and on the baseline, but can whip out the power almost any time he wants and from almost any position. Let’s not even mention his insane speed and fitness.

Alcaraz has played 4 masters this year. His first, he reached the SF. At two of the others he won the title, on two separate surfaces. The only blemish on his record is the Monte Carlo 2R loss.

At the last 4 Majors he has played, Alcaraz’ results: QF-3R-QF-4R

Expect at the very least an SF berth at the USO.

I will slow down on the hype if I see him have the same issues on HC that he has on clay and grass. There is a reason Nadal and Djokovic will still own clay and grass respectively next year. In regards to Sinner’s dispatch of Alcaraz at Wimbledon, return issues are amplified on grass. I understand his ROS isn’t up to par with the rest of his game, but grass is where that matters 2X. He can get away with it on HC. He’s not good enough at this very moment to win USO, but all the HC he will play for the rest of the year will prepare him for the AO, where he will be the winner IMO.

He will take the HC majors in the next year (barring Sinner explosion), and by 2024 Nadal and Djokovic will not be able to keep up with him, and probably an upgraded Sinner. 36 and 37 are not ages that can surpass even a Tier 3 ATG, which is Alcaraz’ floor.

Don't equate Nadal and Novak yet.

Just like Nadal had 5 years left after Federer, Novak has at least 2 year more of longevity left after Nadal taking into consideration his age and his fitness.

The Aus open is not going anywhere, Novak will bulldoze the field next year when he returns down under, he has at least 1 or 2 AOs left.

Maybe he is done winning USO and probably FO, but AO and W are his for 2 years minimum, maybe even 3.

 

[LawnTennisGod]

Nadal will probably win about 2 more slams.
1 in 2023
1 in 2024 maybe (FO)

Don't see much else from him. (USO this year will not be easy either despite the absences).


Djokovic may win about 3 more slams. I also don't see him winning HC Slams at age 36+, but he might sneak 1 HC slam if the draw is easy enough. Plus about 2 more Wimbledons.

2 in 2023
1 in 2024

So IMO, Nadal finishes with 23-24.
Djokovic also with around 24.

2024 is most probably it.

 

[pj80]

I was discussing this in a different thread, but I thought this needed a thread of its own.

Nadal is less of a shocker, because you can tell he is in decline physically. That is only going to get worse. Djokovic is the one more people may be confused by

On Djokovic - In my estimation He's never winning the AO again, even if he plays next year. He is never winning the USO again, even if he plays next year. I'd give him a 10% shot of winning another FO, just because the clay field is amazingly weak now. And I'd said he's the favorite for Wimby 2023. After that, its night-night. Djokovic's slam count will end on 22.

there’s a new ATG talent with ATG confidence. There are two 35+ ATGs who have been obviously declining (Nadal physically, Djokovic in consistency). As they continue to get older, the young ATG gets better. Nadal will take this USO, and maybe next year’s FO. Djokovic is the favorite to take next year’s Wimbledon. AO and USO 2023 are Alcaraz’, unless Sinner shows tremendous improvement and is able to steal one of the hard court majors off Alcaraz.

Alcaraz has a level of consistent offense that can absolutely wipe anyone off the map. No other young gun has this (On Sinner, note consistent). He is the one.

He has no mental red flags. He doesn’t berate umpires or blow gaskets when things aren’t going his way. His family do not hail him as the GOAT (his parents even said he shouldn’t be compared to ATGs.). He has touch and feel at the net and on the baseline, but can whip out the power almost any time he wants and from almost any position. Let’s not even mention his insane speed and fitness.

Alcaraz has played 4 masters this year. His first, he reached the SF. At two of the others he won the title, on two separate surfaces. The only blemish on his record is the Monte Carlo 2R loss.

At the last 4 Majors he has played, Alcaraz’ results: QF-3R-QF-4R

Expect at the very least an SF berth at the USO.

I will slow down on the hype if I see him have the same issues on HC that he has on clay and grass. There is a reason Nadal and Djokovic will still own clay and grass respectively next year. In regards to Sinner’s dispatch of Alcaraz at Wimbledon, return issues are amplified on grass. I understand his ROS isn’t up to par with the rest of his game, but grass is where that matters 2X. He can get away with it on HC. He’s not good enough at this very moment to win USO, but all the HC he will play for the rest of the year will prepare him for the AO, where he will be the winner IMO.

He will take the HC majors in the next year (barring Sinner explosion), and by 2024 Nadal and Djokovic will not be able to keep up with him, and probably an upgraded Sinner. 36 and 37 are not ages that can surpass even a Tier 3 ATG, which is Alcaraz’ floor.

do you also have next year's lottery numbers?

 

[Marco Rotim]

I also don't see him winning HC Slams at age 35/36+, but he might sneak 1 HC slam if the draw is easy enough. Plus about 2 more Wimbledons.

You guys are not in sync with reality.

If Agassi can challenge Peak Federer on HC at 35, why won't Djokovic challenge next gens at 37 or 38 ?

Aus open is his turf, he likes the climate there, he will be a force there for another 3 or 4 years.

 

[Midaso240]

I actually think Nadal and Djokovic could win RG and Wimbledon respectively in 2024 or even 2025 but I agree their chances will be limited at the other 3 slams...

 

[Deleted member 792641]

Nadal will probably win about 2 more slams.
1 in 2023
1 in 2024 maybe (FO)

Don't see much else from him.


Djokovic may win about 3 more slams. I also don't see him winning HC Slams at age 36+, but he might sneak 1 HC slam if the draw is easy enough. Plus about 2 more Wimbledons.

2 in 2023
1 in 2024

So IMO, Nadal finishes with 23-24.
Djokovic also with around 24.

2024 is most probably it.

This is probably a safer (less crazy) prediction, but I’m really going in on Alcaraz

 

[LawnTennisGod]

The kind of comeback djokovic had against sinner this year, won't be possible in couple of years at 37/38. So bad form in initial sets will lead to elimination, not miracle turnarounds like he has done for so long. Age, injuries, bad form, and especially rivals will catch up!

I see neither of them winning anything after 2024. Nadal may not win anything after 2023. Djokovic last won a HC slam at age 33. Will be so much harder to win at 36+

 

[Deleted member 792641]

do you also have next year's lottery numbers?

sorry, I only deal in near-guranteed things, not chance

 

[LawnTennisGod]

This is probably a safer (less crazy) prediction, but I’m really going in on Alcaraz

Yes I am taking the middle ground. Something will give and their reign will be over in 1-2 years. People are expecting way too much when they say that they can win for another 3-4 years. I mean a serious injury could finish their slam winning career any day. Or if they get into poor form, they may not be able to turn it around again. Their rivals and especially the younger players may start outplaying them, we have already seen the signs. Give it 1-2 years and it's over for the oldies.

 

[InsideOut900]

Djokodal wiill stop winning Slams eventually, but even so, there is hardly any prize for guessing when.

There have been signs and signs over the past like 3 years and guess what, Novak nearly won the CYGS at 34 and last year with Novak banned from two Slams and Nadal looking like a shell physically they are still likely going to win all 4 Slams again.

Only 2 Slams won by someone not named Djokovic/Nadal/Federer since 2017, one which Fedal skipped and Djoko got DQed and one where only Djoko played and had the pressure of CYGS on him.

In the end it's a game of guessing when their body and form is going to give in, not when they are going to get passed naturally because they are too old and younger players beat them on having a higher peak level.

 

[Bender]

Eventually you're going to be right that they won't win any more slams, but with the field being what it is, and Nadal being still head and shoulders above everyone on clay, provided his injuries don't force him to permanently retire I can see him winning RG next year and even the one after.

I'm not sure about Djokovic. If he's able to play AO next year obviously he'll be the favourite and will likely win there again. Wimbledon he has barely any competition. USO I'm not sure about. But then again he keeps getting taken to five sets in slams, and I'm not sure if in a year or two's time he will still have the ability to zone and win three straight sets. Either he will blink first, or eventually someone will not make the mistake of taking the foot off the pedal.

 

[LawnTennisGod]

Eventually you're going to be right that they won't win any more slams, but with the field being what it is, and Nadal being still head and shoulders above everyone on clay, provided his injuries don't force him to permanently retire I can see him winning RG next year and even the one after.

I'm not sure about Djokovic. If he's able to play AO next year obviously he'll be the favourite and will likely win there again. Wimbledon he has barely any competition. USO I'm not sure about. But then again he keeps getting taken to five sets in slams, and I'm not sure if in a year or two's time he will still have the ability to zone and win three straight sets. Either he will blink first, or eventually someone will not make the mistake of taking the foot off the pedal.

Alcaraz looked really good on clay so RG isn't a guarantee, especially by 2024.

 

[Bender]

Alcaraz looked really good on clay so RG isn't a guarantee, especially by 2024.

Yeah, I originally put "maybe even the one after (2024)" but apparently I didn't.

If Alcaraz continues to improve I can see him stopping both Nadal and Djokovic on HCs. RG I will assume Nadal will win by default until proven otherwise.

 

[pj80]

sorry, I only deal in near-guranteed things, not chance

yeah, it could be...it could also be that they've already won their last slams....time will tell.

 

[ChrisRF]

there’s a new ATG talent with ATG confidence. There are two 35+ ATGs who have been obviously declining

Two big mistakes here. First of all, they are not "obviously declining". This is just assumed, because allegedly it has to be true, due to their age alone. In reality, they compensated the slight loss of fitness with a different style (Nadal) or are just incredibly fit and flexible at 35 still (Djokovic).

Second, just another "ATG talent" as such will mean nothing. Because we call players with 5 or 6 Slams "ATG" already. You cannot just compare this with Nadal and Djokovic as "just two other ATGs who are now over 35." No, Djokovic and Nadal are head and shoulders above that and wouldn't be stopped by that type of players. Most likely not until they are 40.

Just to give perspective, they are a full Pete Sampras career above all those 5-8 Slams second-tier ATGs. And they haven't declined too much.

So if not for massive injury problems (more than Nadal has now, and for BOTH), they will dominate tennis until at least 2025.

 

[Deleted member 792641]

Two big mistakes here. First of all, they are not "obviously declining". This is just assumed, because allegedly it has to be true, due to their age alone. In reality, they compensated the slight loss of fitness with a different style (Nadal) or are just incredibly fit and flexible at 35 still (Djokovic).

Second, just another "ATG talent" as such will mean nothing. Because we call players with 5 or 6 Slams "ATG" already. You cannot just compare this with Nadal and Djokovic as "just two other ATGs who are now over 35." No, Djokovic and Nadal are head and shoulders above that and wouldn't be stopped by that type of players. Most likely not until they are 40.

Just to give perspective, they are a full Pete Sampras career above all those 5-8 Slams second-tier ATGs. And they haven't declined too much.

So if not for massive injury problems (more than Nadal has now, and for BOTH), they will dominate tennis until at least 2025.

bro did u see Nadal at the AO. He was limping to that championship. Any ATG level player nips that run in the bud. Shapo just shot himself out of the QF. If he just moves Nadal with safe shots he wins. Djokovic has been going 4 and 5 for no reason since last year. He can’t keep that up. They both don’t look to be even half the players they were at their peak on a consistent basis. Sure they can pull out their top shelf stuff when they really need it, but they’re not able to perform at their standard round to round anymore.

Just because they are 2 top 3 all time players, doesn’t mean their level right now is all time great. It’s not. Take prime Agassi or Sampras or Borg or even Lendl, and they’re taking out current Nadal and Djokovic. Their playing level right now can easily be usurped by a tier 2 or 3 ATG

 

[weakera]

one where only Djoko played and had the pressure of CYGS on him.

best excuse ever!!

 

[ChrisRF]

bro did u see Nadal at the AO. He was limping to that championship. Any ATG level player nips that run in the bud. Shapo just shot himself out of the QF. If he just moves Nadal with safe shots he wins. Djokovic has been going 4 and 5 for no reason since last year. He can’t keep that up. They both don’t look to be even half the players they were at their peak on a consistent basis. Sure they can pull out their top shelf stuff when they really need it, but they’re not able to perform at their standard round to round anymore.

Just because they are 2 top 3 all time players, doesn’t mean their level right now is all time great. It’s not. Take prime Agassi or Sampras or Borg or even Lendl, and they’re taking out current Nadal and Djokovic. Their playing level right now can easily be usurped by a tier 2 or 3 ATG

Djokovic suffered from the Covid/banning madness and had problems to find match rhythm. And Nadal struggled at AO, but he always did so. And still, contrary to past years he won. I see no big decline. On the contrary, Djokovic will become better again next year when he plays a full schedule again. He needs rhythm.

And no, second tier ATG would not "easily" beat them. On the other hand today's Next Gen best players likely are not even as great as the players you mentioned. To a large degree they don't even know how to play Best of 5. As a combination of all those factors Nadal and Djokovic will continue to dominate.

 

[InsideOut900]

best excuse ever!!

I will be using your own argument and quote the players' own statement, let's see if you have any consistency in your arguments, not that you have shown any so far, roflmao.

2:30-3:01

 

[Deleted member 792641]

Djokovic suffered from the Covid/banning madness and had problems to find match rhythm. And Nadal struggled at AO, but he always did so. And still, contrary to past years he won. I see no big decline. On the contrary, Djokovic will become better again next year when he plays a full schedule again. He needs rhythm.

And no, second tier ATG would not "easily" beat them. On the other hand today's Next Gen best players likely are not even as great. as the players you mentioned. To a large degree they don't even know how to play Best of 5. As a combination of all those factors Nadal and DJokovic will continue to dominate.

We’ll have to agree to disagree and let the coming years decide who’s right

 

[aldeayeah]

Sons of Novak!

Of Rafa!

My brothers.

I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me.

A day may come when the courage of GOATs fail, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day.

An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of GOATs comes crashing down, but it is not this day!

THIS DAY WE FIGHT!

By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the Strong Era!

For Fedr.

 

[weakera]

I will be using your own argument and quote the players' own statement, let's see if you have any consistency in your arguments, not that you have shown any so far, roflmao.

2:30-3:01

Wow, Djokovic said it!?

 

[InsideOut900]

Wow, Djokovic said it!?

Federer's own words do mention the elements which apparently Djokovic couldn't take advantage of himself despite playing Federer during the same hours of the day, while also giving Rafa plenty of credit,

"I think second set got tougher with the sun coming through on the Royal Box end. So I got broken there. Also did a little bit against the wind on the other side. Rafa was in the zone there. Maybe also I didn't serve as well.

You know, it was a close match and he was able to take charge after I had a couple chances early on in that second set, so that was tough."

Apparently players statements should be taken into account only if you quote them. Either that or you imply Novak saying it makes it a lie.

Either way, you bias against Djokovic it's so blatant it's not even funny.
You twist every argument with 0 consistency just to get the chance to say something negative about him. Kinda sad.

 

[weakera]

Apparently players statements should be taken into account only if you quote them. Either that or you imply Novak saying it makes it a lie.

Either way, you bias against Djokovic it's so blatant it's not even funny.
You twist every argument with 0 consistency just to get the chance to say something negative about him.

LOL, kid, it's literally the OPPOSITE arguments being made. Federer is talking about Nadal being in the zone, Djokovic is talking about epically failing because the moment was too big for him.

In one instance you have a player crediting his opponent and in the other you have one making excuses which his eggfam clings to for comfort.

I'm far more objective about Djokovic than every one of his fans. You lack the self-awareness to ever see it. You should toughen up and admit that he simply took a beatdown that day.

 

[InsideOut900]

You should toughen up and admit that he simply took a beatdown that day.

Yeah, like Medvedev is the one in control of their BO5 matches and it's not on Novak being subpar, but when is Nadal on the other side, the russian can no longer choke, he will always just be outclassed.

Subtle way of implying Nadal is better than Djokovic basically and on HCs off all places.

 

[weakera]

Yeah, like Medvedev is the one in control of their BO5 matches, but when is Nadal on the other side, the russian can no longer choke, he will always just be outclassed.

Subtle way of implying Nadal is better than Djokovic basically and on HCs on all places.

Nadal is DEFINITELY better than Djokovic at USO, not AO admittedly, but I can certainly admit when Rafa loses to a good player on HC, like he did Thiem at AO 2020 for example.

The eggfam blaming the beating Djokovic took in the USO Final on the pressure of the CYGS, after spending a decade insisting that Djokovic handles pressure better than anyone and is the strongest ever mentally, is the irony of ironies. But as I mentioned, you'd need self awareness to detect that.

 

[InsideOut900]

Nadal is DEFINITELY better than Djokovic at USO, not AO admittedly, but I can certainly admit when Rafa loses to a good player on HC, like he did Thiem at AO 2020 for example.

The eggfam blaming the beating Djokovic took in the USO Final on the pressure of the CYGS, after spending a decade insisting that Djokovic handles pressure better than anyone and is the strongest ever mentally, is the irony of ironies. But as I mentioned, you'd need self awareness to detect that.

No one was put in that situation to know how they react. And Novak was already worn out by the draw even if admittedly it was his own fault.

To say Medvedev put a beatdown on him is implying there is nothing Novak could have done. Do you agree with it or no?

The eggfam blaming the beating Djokovic took in the USO Final on the pressure of the CYGS, after spending a decade insisting that Djokovic handles pressure better than anyone and is the strongest ever mentally, is the irony of ironies. But as I mentioned, you'd need self awareness to detect that.

When did I say "Djokovic handles pressure better than anyone and is the strongest ever mentally"?

He is the best in tough situations when you put him on the brink of defeat in a close match.

He is not the best in matches where he is outplayed by a big margin, never was. Are you projecting your arguments with other Djokovic fans on me or talking to me directly here?

 

[weakera]

To say Medvedev put a beatdown on him is implying there is nothing Novak could have done. Do you agree with it or no?

There was nothing he could have done at all, he lost to a much better player on the day. In fact the scoreline shouldn't have even been as close, Medvedev blinked in the third on the cusp of his first slam.

When did I say "Djokovic handles pressure better than anyone and is the strongest ever mentally"?

I don't know you or remember your posts, but Djokovic fans have been saying it every single day here for 10+ years, and on one would ever deny that. Now they lean on the pressure being too great as an excuse, and it's just hilarious lol

 

[TheNachoMan]

best excuse ever!!

You're one to talk about excuses. lol

 

[InsideOut900]

There was nothing he could have done at all, he lost to a much better player on the day

And yet there is nothing Medvedev could have done to beat Nadal in AO even if he played worse in the AO final compared to the USO final and still had 2 sets and 3 BPs at 2-3 in the 3rd?

Medevdev didn't underperform at any point compared to his by your own admission flawless USO performance and it's all on Nadal right?

 

[weakera]

And yet there is nothing Medvedev could have done to beat Nadal in AO

No, he could have played better, never said he was peaking (although certain Djokovic fans such as RF18 said he was on another level than everyone else before the final), but Nadal outplayed him in four consecutive sets.

 

[InsideOut900]

No, he could have played better, never said he was peaking

Good, at least we got it out of the way and admitted Medvedev wasn't that good.

Now let's see some consistency and admit beating Medvedev in the USO final would have been considerably tougher than beating him in the AO final as it is and that Medvedev could have potentially straight setted Nadal as well had he played at that level.

 

[InsideOut900]

Lol. I didn't say Medvedev wasn't that good, I said he wasn't peaking.

Yeap, all I need to know, roflmao.

 

[helterskelter]

Djokodal wiill stop winning Slams eventually, but even so, there is hardly any prize for guessing when.

There have been signs and signs over the past like 3 years and guess what, Novak nearly won the CYGS at 34 and last year with Novak banned from two Slams and Nadal looking like a shell physically they are still likely going to win all 4 Slams again.

Only 2 Slams won by someone not named Djokovic/Nadal/Federer since 2017, one which Fedal skipped and Djoko got DQed and one where only Djoko played and had the pressure of CYGS on him.

In the end it's a game of guessing when their body and form is going to give in, not when they are going to get passed naturally because they are too old and younger players beat them on having a higher peak level.

I agree with most of this but I am not sure it is likely that one of them will win the US Open. If both play, it is likely. If only Nadal plays, his chances are probably around 40%, so he is firm favorite but still less likely than the combined field.

 

[helterskelter]

It is honestly not beyond the realm of possibility that Nadal will be in the mix for Roland Garros as late as 2028 or 2029.

 

[clayqueen]

The Aus open is not going anywhere, Novak will bulldoze the field next year when he returns down under, ...........

Novak did not exactly bulldoze the field the last time he played in Australia, did he?

 

[Thriller]

You guys are not in sync with reality.

If Agassi can challenge Peak Federer on HC at 35, why won't Djokovic challenge next gens at 37 or 38 ?

Aus open is his turf, he likes the climate there, he will be a force there for another 3 or 4 years.

A 5 years retired fat Pete got off the couch in 2007 and beat Federer in Macau and pushed him to 3 sets at Madison Square Garden, exposing just how weak the era was.
All the talk afterwards was that 5 years retired Pete would be one of the hot favourites at Wimbledon with a few weeks of solid training.

 

[clayqueen]

I will be using your own argument and quote the players' own statement, let's see if you have any consistency in your arguments, not that you have shown any so far, roflmao.

2:30-3:01

Going for the calendar slam, Djokovic only won one match in straight sets on his way to losing in the final to Medvedev in straight sets. Justice was done.

 

[jl809]

I agree with a lot of this, but I cannot see past Djokovic (or Medvedev if someone else takes out Rafa) at the Australian Open in 2023 and even 2024. Any issues Djokovic has had in the past 4 years there have been body-related. He has not been blown off court or really significantly challenged there since the days of Wawrinka (ignoring the 17-18 wilderness). Idk wtf happened in the Thiem match but it was him going walkabout which brought Thiem into it, not anything special from the other end, and even semi-injured, he absolutely hammered Medvedev. He will need to decline fast and Alcaraz accelerate super fast for an upset imo. Medvedev's medium/fast HC game vs anyone not called Nadal is a huge challenge to overcome and hasn't really been mentioned.

RG and Wimbledon are all about the health of Djokodal. Nadal played with a sleepy foot and barely any tune up clay matches this year, and in the one match where he knew he needed to be supernova - the RG QF - he came out at that level and surprised everyone. Djokovic will be under less stress / fatigue in future Wimbledons than this year's, and even this year, when he really needed his level to be there, it comfortably was. I can see both of them winning these tournaments in 2024 (even if Nadal breaks down, I think Djokovic just rolls in and takes RG instead).

The US Open is the wildcard, you're right. I can even see him winning it this year in some weird timeline where he wins 3 tiebreaks in 1 match vs Nadal or something. But I would be surprised (not super surprised, but surprised) if a 2022 or 2023 US Open win for him works like a Federer 2003-type springboard.

 

[BGod]

2025 Wimbledon champ at 38.

 

[Tennfan123]

May the tennis Gods finally have mercy on us and make it so.

 

[Marco Rotim]

Novak did not exactly bulldoze the field the last time he played in Australia, did he?

He was injured.

You will see in 2023 what Bulldozing really means, wait for it.

Ruthless Aggression Incoming next year when he steps foot into Australia, it will be swift destruction of the field.

 

[clayqueen]

I agree with a lot of this, but I cannot see past Djokovic (or Medvedev if someone else takes out Rafa) at the Australian Open in 2023 and even 2024.

The Australian Government will have to lift the automatic visa ban because he was deported. They may well do but don't start counting your chickens yet.

 

[clayqueen]

He was injured.

You will see in 2023 what Bulldozing really means, wait for it.

Ruthless Aggression Incoming next year when he steps foot into Australia, it will be swift destruction of the field.

What was his injury?

 

[clayqueen]

I agree with a lot of this, but I cannot see past Djokovic (or Medvedev if someone else takes out Rafa) at the Australian Open in 2023 and even 2024. Any issues Djokovic has had in the past 4 years there have been body-related. He has not been blown off court or really significantly challenged there since the days of Wawrinka (ignoring the 17-18 wilderness). Idk wtf happened in the Thiem match but it was him going walkabout which brought Thiem into it, not anything special from the other end, and even semi-injured, he absolutely hammered Medvedev. He will need to decline fast and Alcaraz accelerate super fast for an upset imo. Medvedev's medium/fast HC game vs anyone not called Nadal is a huge challenge to overcome and hasn't really been mentioned.

RG and Wimbledon are all about the health of Djokodal. Nadal played with a sleepy foot and barely any tune up clay matches this year, and in the one match where he knew he needed to be supernova - the RG QF - he came out at that level and surprised everyone. Djokovic will be under less stress / fatigue in future Wimbledons than this year's, and even this year, when he really needed his level to be there, it comfortably was. I can see both of them winning these tournaments in 2024 (even if Nadal breaks down, I think Djokovic just rolls in and takes RG instead).

The US Open is the wildcard, you're right. I can even see him winning it this year in some weird timeline where he wins 3 tiebreaks in 1 match vs Nadal or something. But I would be surprised (not super surprised, but surprised) if a 2022 or 2023 US Open win for him works like a Federer 2003-type springboard.

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