2023 will be the last year Nadal and Djokovic win slams

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Lauren_Girl'

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IDK. On other boards they were saying this in 2016-2017 already, the big-3 was never winning slams again and we saw what happened.

IMO Djokovic would've won the AO easily this year. Kecmanovic-Paul-Sonego-Monfils-Berrettini-Nadal wasn't even a tough draw for him in his pet slam, the only threat would've been the final against Medvedev. For me he'll be the HUGE favorite of the AO and Wimbledon as long as he is healthy. Same for Nadal in RG, as long as the only person who can stop him is Djokovic.

USO is more open but I would pick Nadal and Djokovic before anyone else right now. I think Alcaraz and Zverev have the best chances to win a slam but as long as they're slamless I can't put them above Nadal and Djokovic.
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
Totally agree with @LetWinner II

Djokovic is on his last legs, he is literally running on fumes. another 2 Slams in USO '22/AO '23 missed will be a death sentence. He can win one more Wimby but zero chance of a HC Slam ever again if he continues to be unvaccinated. When can he even play one, 2025? What a joke.

i think he could win AO ‘23 if he plays but his dynamism and mental focus is so weak these days, he’s prone to multiple set walkabouts. And he’s only going to get slower, worse stamina, it’s all going downhill.

Nadal will win 4-5 more if he so chooses, but I have a feeling he will retire due to injuries rather than run himself into the ground. He already has the Slam record after all.
 

clayqueen

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IDK. On other boards they were saying this in 2016-2017 already, the big-3 was never winning slams again and we saw what happened.

IMO Djokovic would've won the AO easily this year. Kecmanovic-Paul-Sonego-Monfils-Berrettini-Nadal wasn't even a tough draw for him in his pet slam, the only threat would've been the final against Medvedev. For me he'll be the HUGE favorite of the AO and Wimbledon as long as he is healthy. Same for Nadal in RG, as long as the only person who can stop him is Djokovic.

USO is more open but I would pick Nadal and Djokovic before anyone else right now. I think Alcaraz and Zverev have the best chances to win a slam but as long as they're slamless I can't put them above Nadal and Djokovic.
Luckily you don't get to decide the winner. Phew!
 

Lauren_Girl'

Hall of Fame
Going for the calendar slam, Djokovic only won one match in straight sets on his way to losing in the final to Medvedev in straight sets. Justice was done.


And he was still ONE match away from the CYGS, the biggest achievement in this sport. Just one match.
Knowing he already has a NCYGS. That's a done deal and no one is ever taking this away from him.

Nadal was never even close of a CYGS or a NCYGS. The closest he was was AO 2011, and he still needed THREE matches. For the CYGS, he still needed NINE matches.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
And he was still ONE match away from the CYGS, the biggest achievement in this sport. Just one match.
Knowing he already has a NCYGS. That's a done deal and no one is ever taking this away from him.

Nadal was never even close of a CYGS or a NCYGS. The closest he was was AO 2011, and he still needed THREE matches. For the CYGS, he still needed NINE matches.
Djoker was dispatched in straight sets by Medvedev after dropping sets to nobodies on his way to the final. He was a million miles away from winning the CYGS.
 

jm1980

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Djoker was dispatched in straight sets by Medvedev after dropping sets to nobodies on his way to the final. He was a million miles away from winning the CYGS.
He was exactly one match away from winning the CYGS. The closest anybody has gotten since 1969
 

jl809

Legend
And he was still ONE match away from the CYGS, the biggest achievement in this sport. Just one match.
Knowing he already has a NCYGS. That's a done deal and no one is ever taking this away from him.

Nadal was never even close of a CYGS or a NCYGS. The closest he was was AO 2011, and he still needed THREE matches. For the CYGS, he still needed NINE matches.
Djoker was dispatched in straight sets by Medvedev after dropping sets to nobodies on his way to the final. He was a million miles away from winning the CYGS.
He was exactly one match away from winning the CYGS. The closest anybody has gotten since 1969

cmon people ffs, literally who gives a ****
 

Lauren_Girl'

Hall of Fame
Djoker was dispatched in straight sets by Medvedev after dropping sets to nobodies on his way to the final. He was a million miles away from winning the CYGS.

The score of the final doesn't change this fact. He was still 10x closer than Nadal. One match away.

Nadal still needed 9 matches. He had to beat Kyrgios. Then he had to beat a player he hasn't beaten off clay since 2013. And then he still needed seven matches in NY. He failed, just like in 2009 when he won the AO. In 2009 he was 18 matches away. This time he was closer, but he still needed 9.

9>1

And again, Djokovic has NCYGS. He was also one match away from another CYGS in RG2012, and 2 matches away in RG2019
Where is Nadal's NCYGS? When was he 1 match away from a NCYGS? Oh right. Never happened.
 

mahatma

Hall of Fame
Totally agree with @LetWinner II

Djokovic is on his last legs, he is literally running on fumes. another 2 Slams in USO '22/AO '23 missed will be a death sentence. He can win one more Wimby but zero chance of a HC Slam ever again if he continues to be unvaccinated. When can he even play one, 2025? What a joke.

i think he could win AO ‘23 if he plays but his dynamism and mental focus is so weak these days, he’s prone to multiple set walkabouts. And he’s only going to get slower, worse stamina, it’s all going downhill.

Nadal will win 4-5 more if he so chooses, but I have a feeling he will retire due to injuries rather than run himself into the ground. He already has the Slam record after all.

Okay you mean Nadal doesn't choose to win slams. Great logic, right there!
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
Okay you mean Nadal doesn't choose to win slams. Great logic, right there!
What I mean is when Nadal is on 25 or so and Djokovic is languishing at 22, way behind, Rafa doesn't need to continue fighting for the Slam record.

I don't see Nadal having the fire to continue destroying his body with such a decisive lead. I think he will retire after the Olympics at Roland Garros in 2024. He will be a father and will be 38.
 

mahatma

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What I mean is when Nadal is on 25 or so and Djokovic is languishing at 22, way behind, Rafa doesn't need to continue fighting for the Slam record.

I don't see Nadal having the fire to continue destroying his body with such a decisive lead. I think he will retire after the Olympics at Roland Garros in 2024. He will be a father and will be 38.
Slam race difference will never be more than 2 in favor of Nadal. Even in case of Djokovic the same rule will hold.
 

prosperned

Professional
Slam race difference will never be more than 2 in favor of Nadal. Even in case of Djokovic the same rule will hold.
Do you think Djoko is competing at AO? Because otherwise Nadal will have 3 slams that he’s favourite for (US, AO, RG) and only needing 2 to get to 3 slam lead.
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
Slam race difference will never be more than 2 in favor of Nadal. Even in case of Djokovic the same rule will hold.
Nadal is massive favorite for USO '22, RG '23 at the very least. If he loses either it will be a mug up of epic proportions and a shock. These are nailed on titles.

So that's 24. a 3 Slam lead. Djokovic is currently banned from AO '23, Nadal could have a good chance there. So it could be 25-21 heading into Wim '23.

And guess what, Djoko can't even compete at 2 of those 3 Slams.

Do you not agree that Djokovic's inability to get vaccinated has given Nadal the slam race on a silver platter?
 
Nadal is massive favorite for USO '22, RG '23 at the very least. If he loses either it will be a mug up of epic proportions and a shock. These are nailed on titles.

So that's 24. a 3 Slam lead. Djokovic is currently banned from AO '23, Nadal could have a good chance there. So it could be 25-21 heading into Wim '23.

And guess what, Djoko can't even compete at 2 of those 3 Slams.

Do you not agree that Djokovic's inability to get vaccinated has given Nadal the slam race on a silver platter?
Nadal will probably win the slam race. Still expect more slams for both Nadal and Djokovic. They could both pull well clear of Fed in the end. Something like Nadal 27 and Djokovic 26
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Let's see... Rafa and Djoker's competition consists of Berrettini, Med, Zverev, Ruud, Rublev, Norrie and Felix. All garbage mentally and utterly incapable of winning slams. So the logical assumption is they will be winning slams well into their 40s. Who is going to stop them?
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
Nadal will probably win the slam race. Still expect more slams for both Nadal and Djokovic. They could both pull well clear of Fed in the end. Something like Nadal 27 and Djokovic 26
I see it as Nadal 26, Djokovic 23.

Nadal wins USO '22, RG '23, one of AO '23/Wim '23/USO '23, RG '24 then retires on 26

Djokovic wins Wim '23 then perhaps Wim '24 but if he continues to be banned from HC Slams, he has literally zero chance of winning the Slam race.
 
Let's see... Rafa and Djoker's competition consists of Berrettini, Med, Zverev, Ruud, Rublev, Norrie and Felix. All garbage mentally and utterly incapable of winning slams. So the logical assumption is they will be winning slams well into their 40s. Who is going to stop them?
It’s funny how you changed your approach. Back in 2018 you thought they’d never catch Fed. Now you have them widening the gap immensely. Seriously though djokodal are gonna keep dominating. I find it hilarious they keep putting these next gen in their place :cool:
 
I see it as Nadal 26, Djokovic 23.

Nadal wins USO '22, RG '23, one of AO '23/Wim '23/USO '23, RG '24 then retires on 26

Djokovic wins Wim '23 then perhaps Wim '24 but if he continues to be banned from HC Slams, he has literally zero chance of winning the Slam race.
I agree. I think Nadal will probably edge him out overall. I feel though both djokodal are going to dominate for a while yet. Rafa may still win it by 2 but I see them both still piling them on when they able to play and if they stay healthy. They are going to put all other numbers to complete dust come the end of their careers. It’s a fascinating race though.
 

Blahovic

Professional
I'll believe that both Nadal and Djokovic will stop winning slams when it starts happening.

I can see them becoming less dominant in the near future, but I think there's still quite some time before both become unable to win one. They are still clearly the two best players in the world this season in spite of Nadal's physical issues and Djokovic's vax drama.

What people are forgetting as well is that, unlike pretty much every other player, Djokovic and Nadal are great at all slams and surfaces. So they have more shots to win a slam in any given season than most other players.
 

mahatma

Hall of Fame
Nadal is massive favorite for USO '22, RG '23 at the very least. If he loses either it will be a mug up of epic proportions and a shock. These are nailed on titles.

So that's 24. a 3 Slam lead. Djokovic is currently banned from AO '23, Nadal could have a good chance there. So it could be 25-21 heading into Wim '23.

And guess what, Djoko can't even compete at 2 of those 3 Slams.

Do you not agree that Djokovic's inability to get vaccinated has given Nadal the slam race on a silver platter?
Novak is playing AO, it's 95% sure. The political forces are now in favor. Thanks to govt change. You gotta pray for some other disaster for Novak not playing AO anymore. That's like lock for '23 and '24. Same goes for W'23, W'24. Takes the total to 25 for Novak.

He will probably win USO in next 4-5 years taking the slam count to 26. If the above is right by 80-90% too the slam count ranges between 24-26.

Let's now talk about Nadal :
He will win RG 2 more times and USO 1 more time post that young gen takes over - that is about it. Final slam count will range between 23-25.

So ya, it's going to be 1-2 slam difference at max.
Nadal can still win the slam race, but margin will not be there for Nadal to retire anytime soon.
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
Novak is playing AO, it's 95% sure. The political forces are now in favor. Thanks to govt change. You gotta pray for some other disaster for Novak not playing AO anymore. That's like lock for '23 and '24. Same goes for W'23, W'24. Takes the total to 25 for Novak.

He will probably win USO in next 4-5 years taking the slam count to 26. If the above is right by 70-80% too the slam count ranges between 24-26.

Let's now talk about Nadal :
He will win RG 2 more times and USO 1 more time post that young gen takes over - that is about it. Final slam count will range between 23-25.

So ya, it's going to be 1-2 slam difference at max.
Nadal can still win the slam race, but margin will not be there for Nadal to retire anytime soon.
Novak has been totally outplayed for MULTIPLE sets by Sinner, Nadal, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, even freaking Musetti, that's 5 times in the past 4 Slams ALONE lol. You think he's a LOCK?

I understand that he can still outlast them now but come on. He is not a lock for ANYTHING anymore.

his groundstrokes are not strong enough, his movement not sharp enough, his explosiveness and mental focus far below the levels needed to truly outplay top opposition. His 2nd serve averages like 87mph these days, he's a sitting duck. He will only get worse. In fact he gets worse every single day.

More importantly, Alcaraz is his kryptonite, and Medvedev is in his head in a big way. Both guys will be extremely tough for a 37-38 year old Oldovic in Australia and Flushing.

Nadal on the other hand is hitting his FH huge, shortening points, making improvements to his longevity. Novak on the other hand is playing the same old game, just 5% worse every year.

I am sorry as I know you are a fan, but the cold hard truth is it is a pipe dream to say he wins 25 Slams
 

mahatma

Hall of Fame
Haha. I am a pragmatic fan. Novak for what we have seen in Wimbledon is still the same. He has been losing sets all his life. But still he is the best at crucial points. RG loss to Nadal is easily digestible. If Novak would have lost Wimbledon your statement would have hold any ground. But as I saw, he came out the most dominant player in this Wimbledon quite easily, playing at his 2-3rd gear at max.

So ya, hard cold truth is - Novak, as much as you won't like him to win the slam race, is still the fav to win it.

He is the fav in next 2-3 AO, odds on fav by bookies, in next 2-3 Wimbledon and whenever he plays USO in next 2-3 years.

Alcaraz winning a match in clay says nothing about him being kryptonite. I know you want Alcaraz to take over Djokovic, as it helps Nadal. But he is a non-factor outside clay, which anyways I didn't include in my numbers.

Some surprises can still happen, but that is true both ways. Nadal winning USO is still a tough one, infact him reaching finals is a tough one. RG next year Alcaraz will be a force to reckon with and it would be difficult for Nadal to hold his ground from '23 RG itself.

So ya, probably it can still remain 22 for Nadal from here. For Djokovic though despite missing slams due to vaccine issues, it will go up to 24 minimum..Anyways he has more left in his tank so far as we saw in this Wimbledon with Nadal retiring and Djokovic easily winning the whole thing..
 

aldeayeah

G.O.A.T.
As I said several times, stop pronouncing Djokodal dead WHILE THEY ARE THE REIGNING CHAMPIONS AT SEVERAL SLAMS (which they've been continuously since 2010)
 
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Haha. I am a pragmatic fan. Novak for what we have seen in Wimbledon is still the same. He has been losing sets all his life. But still he is the best at crucial points. RG loss to Nadal is easily digestible. If Novak would have lost Wimbledon your statement would have hold any ground. But as I saw, he came out the most dominant player in this Wimbledon quite easily, playing at his 2-3rd gear at max.

So ya, hard cold truth is - Novak, as much as you won't like him to win the slam race, is still the fav to win it.

He is the fav in next 2-3 AO, odds on fav by bookies, in next 2-3 Wimbledon and whenever he plays USO in next 2-3 years.

Alcaraz winning a match in clay says nothing about him being kryptonite. I know you want Alcaraz to take over Djokovic, as it helps Nadal. But he is a non-factor outside clay, which anyways I didn't include in my numbers.

Some surprises can still happen, but that is true both ways. Nadal winning USO is still a tough one, infact him reaching finals is a tough one. RG next year Alcaraz will be a force to reckon with and it would be difficult for Nadal to hold his ground from '23 RG itself.

So ya, probably it can still remain 22 for Nadal from here. For Djokovic though despite missing slams due to vaccine issues, it will go up to 24 minimum..Anyways he has more left in his tank so far as we saw in this Wimbledon with Nadal retiring and Djokovic easily winning the whole thing..
@Kralingen Actually prefers Djokovic over Nadal. He just has ultimate faith in Rafa as he’s won him loads of money and more than djoker has haha.
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
Haha. In my case Djokovic has made me so much money by his 1st set losses. Love those 1st set losses which bring odds to parity.
@Kralingen Actually prefers Djokovic over Nadal. He just has ultimate faith in Rafa as he’s won him loads of money and more than djoker has haha.
Speaking of which your post reminded me to bet another $50 on Nadal USO 2022 futures. If you're so inclined, you should do the same.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
He was injured.

You will see in 2023 what Bulldozing really means, wait for it.

Ruthless Aggression Incoming next year when he steps foot into Australia, it will be swift destruction of the field.

Still think they'll hold back another year with rising cases and no popular support.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Can't they just all retire now instead of dragging it out another season after this?

goat
 
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Deleted member 791948

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Nadal is highly motivated by the 2024 Olympics, so he'll be playing better in 2024 than 2023 probably :happydevil:
 

prosperned

Professional
As long as Nadal has his GOAT forehand, which he is hitting better than he’s hit in some of his yougner years right now, he will have a chance at slams in 2024. Especially at RG
 

Federev

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I was discussing this in a different thread, but I thought this needed a thread of its own.

Nadal is less of a shocker, because you can tell he is in decline physically. That is only going to get worse. Djokovic is the one more people may be confused by

On Djokovic - In my estimation He's never winning the AO again, even if he plays next year. He is never winning the USO again, even if he plays next year. I'd give him a 10% shot of winning another FO, just because the clay field is amazingly weak now. And I'd said he's the favorite for Wimby 2023. After that, its night-night. Djokovic's slam count will end on 22.

there’s a new ATG talent with ATG confidence. There are two 35+ ATGs who have been obviously declining (Nadal physically, Djokovic in consistency). As they continue to get older, the young ATG gets better. Nadal will take this USO, and maybe next year’s FO. Djokovic is the favorite to take next year’s Wimbledon. AO and USO 2023 are Alcaraz’, unless Sinner shows tremendous improvement and is able to steal one of the hard court majors off Alcaraz.

Alcaraz has a level of consistent offense that can absolutely wipe anyone off the map. No other young gun has this (On Sinner, note consistent). He is the one.

He has no mental red flags. He doesn’t berate umpires or blow gaskets when things aren’t going his way. His family do not hail him as the GOAT (his parents even said he shouldn’t be compared to ATGs.). He has touch and feel at the net and on the baseline, but can whip out the power almost any time he wants and from almost any position. Let’s not even mention his insane speed and fitness.

Alcaraz has played 4 masters this year. His first, he reached the SF. At two of the others he won the title, on two separate surfaces. The only blemish on his record is the Monte Carlo 2R loss.

At the last 4 Majors he has played, Alcaraz’ results: QF-3R-QF-4R

Expect at the very least an SF berth at the USO.

I will slow down on the hype if I see him have the same issues on HC that he has on clay and grass. There is a reason Nadal and Djokovic will still own clay and grass respectively next year. In regards to Sinner’s dispatch of Alcaraz at Wimbledon, return issues are amplified on grass. I understand his ROS isn’t up to par with the rest of his game, but grass is where that matters 2X. He can get away with it on HC. He’s not good enough at this very moment to win USO, but all the HC he will play for the rest of the year will prepare him for the AO, where he will be the winner IMO.

He will take the HC majors in the next year (barring Sinner explosion), and by 2024 Nadal and Djokovic will not be able to keep up with him, and probably an upgraded Sinner. 36 and 37 are not ages that can surpass even a Tier 3 ATG, which is Alcaraz’ floor.
If Fed can get match points on Novak at almost 38 at Wimby - how is Novak not a contender for 3-4 years at least against such a weak field?
 
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Deleted member 792641

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As long as Nadal has his GOAT forehand, which he is hitting better than he’s hit in some of his yougner years right now, he will have a chance at slams in 2024. Especially at RG

Trust me, I'd be happy to see Nadal win a few more slams, especially HC and grass ones. I just don't think its going to happen
 

prosperned

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If Fed can get match points on Novak at almost 38 at Wimby - how is Novak not a contender for 3-4 years at least against such a weak field?
Anyone who’s betting against Djoko is a fool.

I do think he’s got more issues against next gen than Nadal has or Fed at 38 did though. Medvedev can definitely get in his way at HCs and even Zverev. I put this down for example Nadal’s forehand dictating rallies whereas for Djoko he relies on his lockdown play in big moments which will suffer as he gets older.
 

BauerAlmeida

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People have been saying this for years. About Nadal since 2014 and about Djokovic since 2016. We are in 2022 and they are still winning. I mean, before they start losing altogether they should start losing at least a little bit. Aside from Thiem at USO 2020, when Nadal didn't play and Djokovic was DQed the only slam not won by Nadal or Djokovic in recent times was Medvedev in a match where Djokovic was a no-show.
 
Novak has been totally outplayed for MULTIPLE sets by Sinner, Nadal, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, even freaking Musetti, that's 5 times in the past 4 Slams ALONE lol. You think he's a LOCK?

I understand that he can still outlast them now but come on. He is not a lock for ANYTHING anymore.

his groundstrokes are not strong enough, his movement not sharp enough, his explosiveness and mental focus far below the levels needed to truly outplay top opposition. His 2nd serve averages like 87mph these days, he's a sitting duck. He will only get worse. In fact he gets worse every single day.

More importantly, Alcaraz is his kryptonite, and Medvedev is in his head in a big way. Both guys will be extremely tough for a 37-38 year old Oldovic in Australia and Flushing.

Nadal on the other hand is hitting his FH huge, shortening points, making improvements to his longevity. Novak on the other hand is playing the same old game, just 5% worse every year.

I am sorry as I know you are a fan, but the cold hard truth is it is a pipe dream to say he wins 25 Slams
Spectacular analysis
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Rafans wanted this year to be end of both because they hoped Rafa will remain ahead. Both things didn't happen. Rafa won just ONE match entire year.

And Nole was just ONE match away from CYGS.

Rafans, we are not in the same boat. We told you before as well.
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
On Djokovic - In my estimation He's never winning the AO again, even if he plays next year. He is never winning the USO again, even if he plays next year. I'd give him a 10% shot of winning another FO, just because the clay field is amazingly weak now. And I'd said he's the favorite for Wimby 2023. After that, its night-night. Djokovic's slam count will end on 22.

Who is this gentleman who deleted his profile ? Couldn't be more wrong.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Alcaraz owns Djokovic and will likely finish with a 6 or 7-1 head to head. He will win the slam race for Nadal

The crazy thing is, he became the reason for Djokovic getting ahead, as RG 2023 showed us. Sport is a crazy thing.
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
It was @LetWinner II. lol wrong on everything even on the one he gave to Djokovic.

Djoker's career tragectory only his parents can predict, no one else.

Srdjan said he would butcher Fed's records
When he was deported then his mom said that Novak is now even more dangerous and his goal to be slams leader will not be affected with this.

So basically only they know his full potential...... We need to ask Srdjan what is Novak's ceiling, not anyone else.
 
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