2023 will be the last year Nadal and Djokovic win slams

[Enceladus]

On Djokovic - In my estimation He's never winning the AO again, even if he plays next year.

He is never winning the USO again, even if he plays next year.

I'd give him a 10% shot of winning another FO, just because the clay field is amazingly weak now.

 

[Milanez82]

Spectacular analysis

One of most in depth well calculated projections.

 

[fedfan24]

1 year later and djokovic just won his 3 easiest slams ever with a challenger level draw in each.

 

[yweng0310]

1 year later and djokovic just won his 3 easiest slams ever with a challenger level draw in each.

Challenger level draws including someone that beat both Federer and Nadal at AO and the last two US Open champions. Seems like both Federer and Nadal belong to the Future tournaments lmfao

 

[yweng0310]

Alcaraz owns Djokovic and will likely finish with a 6 or 7-1 head to head. He will win the slam race for Nadal

What is it with Federer and Nadal fans being so desperate to push their favorite players further down on the list of all time greats? Does being SOAT and TOAT not bad enough that y'all want those two to fight for being the FOAT?

 

[yweng0310]

Rafans wanted this year to be end of both because they hoped Rafa will remain ahead. Both things didn't happen. Rafa won just ONE match entire year.

And Nole was just ONE match away from CYGS.

Rafans, we are not in the same boat. We told you before as well.

Winning ONE match in the entire year? 1-3 overall? The way Rafans talk, you'd think he won 100 matches this year

 

[fedfan24]

Challenger level draws including someone that beat both Federer and Nadal at AO and the last two US Open champions. Seems like both Federer and Nadal belong to the Future tournaments lmfao

Tommy Paul, mentally broken Tstistipas, Shelton, Ruud, Cramping Alcaraz. Yikes.

 

[L4S10s]

How does it feel to be wrong

 

[Vincent-C]

1 year later and djokovic just won his 3 easiest slams ever with a challenger level draw in each.

Be fair, now: tiny snuck in a Major in 2023, too!

 

[yweng0310]

Tommy Paul, mentally broken Tstistipas, Shelton, Ruud, Cramping Alcaraz. Yikes.

"Mentally broken" Tsitsipas beat Federer and Nadal for fun at AO. Yikes.
Fedal combined for 1 match won this whole year. Yikes Yikes.

 

[Vincent-C]

"Mentally broken" Tsitsipas beat Federer and Nadal for fun at AO. Yikes.
Fedal combined for 1 match won this whole year. Yikes Yikes.

When did Tsitsipas last win a Major?

 

[jm1980]

Tommy Paul, mentally broken Tstistipas, Shelton, Ruud, Cramping Alcaraz. Yikes.

Obviously Philippoussis, Gonzalez, Baghdatis, Kiefer, etc. are much harder opponents

 

[yweng0310]

When did Tsitsipas last win a Major?

Never. Still, beating Federer and Nadal for fun at AO.

 

[yweng0310]

Obviously Philippoussis, Gonzalez, Baghdatis, Kiefer, etc. are much harder opponents

How dare you forget about Ljubicic and Davydenko, the co #3 during that time who failed to reach a single GS Final?

 

[Vincent-C]

How dare you forget about Ljubicic and Davydenko, the co #3 during that time who failed to reach a single GS Final?

They were both very good players.

 

[yweng0310]

They were both very good players.

Not even as good as Tsitsipas at the age of 25 though.

 

[Vincent-C]

Not even as good as Tsitsipas at the age of 25 though.

I think Tsitsi would have had a tough time with Davydenko, in particular.

 

[yweng0310]

Results wise, Tsitsipas is probably already superior. But even putting that aside, Davydenko is simply a replica of Rublev with a lesser serve. So yeah, it might be close, but just like against Rublev, Tsitispas will get on top more times than not.

 

[Vincent-C]

But even putting that aside, Davydenko is simply a replica of Rublev

For a minute there- until you said that- I thought you might know something about tennis.
No further comment..

 

[yweng0310]

For a minute there- until you said that- I thought you might know something about tennis.
No further comment..

No need for further comment. It's obvious your only knowledge about tennis is that Federer's competition is strong despite their inferior results. Sadly, 24 speaks loud and clear.

 

[Kralingen]

What is it with Federer and Nadal fans being so desperate to push their favorite players further down on the list of all time greats? Does being SOAT and TOAT not bad enough that y'all want those two to fight for being the FOAT?

Welcome new user. I wonder what makes you think I’m a “Federer and Nadal fan”, or why your literal first post on the forum is bumping a year old thread to quote my post. Anyways, it seems this one will be a short stay.

 

[yweng0310]

Welcome new user. I wonder what makes you think I’m a “Federer and Nadal fan”, or why your literal first post on the forum is bumping a year old thread to quote my post. Anyways, it seems this one will be a short stay.

Did I say you are a Fedal fan? One can't ask a general question anymore? If you aren't, then sorry I must have quoted the wrong person that wished Alcaraz to "win the slam race for Nadal"

 

[jmacdaununder2]

Looking at Mannarino’s 2nd tier vulturing anything is possible; although the cavalry consistently threaten an arrival.
If Sinner had tanked one point against Rune, the future would appear somewhat closer.

 

[jm1980]

Alcaraz owns Djokovic and will likely finish with a 6 or 7-1 head to head. He will win the slam race for Nadal

What I mean is when Nadal is on 25 or so and Djokovic is languishing at 22, way behind, Rafa doesn't need to continue fighting for the Slam record.

 

[jm1980]

If Sinner had tanked one point against Rune, the future would appear somewhat closer.

But Djokovic not winning the Tour Finals wouldn't erase his 3 Slam season

Also, until his win last year, Djokovic hadn't won the YEC since 2015. Yet he won a bunch of Slams in that same period

The title in the OP may still turn out to be right though, if Djokovic and Nadal don't win any Slams from this point on

 

[Kralingen]

Take me back to summer 2022 man

 

[jm1980]

I'm at peace with that, as long as Fed doesn't win any more

I'm now even more at peace with Djokovic and Nadal not winning any more from this point on

 

[nolefam_2024]

What is it with Federer and Nadal fans being so desperate to push their favorite players further down on the list of all time greats? Does being SOAT and TOAT not bad enough that y'all want those two to fight for being the FOAT?

They are desperate little boys, who are trying to cope even today, they will get on any bandwagon just to see Nole stopped.

Tbf I would have supported almost anyone vs Nadal in AO 22 final but I boycotted the whole season.

 

[SonnyT]

C'mon, just slide thru the years, sooner or later you're bound to be right.

 

[Razer]

Take me back to summer 2022 man

Highly dramatic period it has been since then....

- Wimbledon 2022 - It was all about make a statement that he is still not finished
- Missed US open 2022 and we had Alcaraz as a teenager winner
- Aus open 2023 - It was ruthless aggression in Australia, he literally provided tennis version of capital punishment to De Minaur in Australia and won the title
- French Open 2023 - More about the Alcaraz hype and breaking the record amidst it
- Wimbledon 2023 - Alcaraz ruined his season with a big win
- US open 2023 - Novak returns to USA and again wins it, in between the phone call celebration drama

in between there has been drama like cinci, atp finals and all that.....

More drama awaits now, I hope 2024 gives up epic drama of all proportions. I want Novak to destroy Nadal in 1 final clash between the 2, preferably a swift execution at the Aus Open or the Olympics ? What do you say? @nachiket nolefam @Kralingen

 

[Kralingen]

Highly dramatic period it has been since then....

- Wimbledon 2022 - It was all about make a statement that he is still not finished
- Missed US open 2022 and we had Alcaraz as a teenager winner
- Aus open 2023 - It was ruthless aggression in Australia, he literally provided tennis version of capital punishment to De Minaur in Australia and won the title
- French Open 2023 - More about the Alcaraz hype and breaking the record amidst it
- Wimbledon 2023 - Alcaraz ruined his season with a big win
- US open 2023 - Novak returns to USA and again wins it, in between the phone call celebration drama

in between there has been drama like cinci, atp finals and all that.....

More drama awaits now, I hope 2024 gives up epic drama of all proportions. I want Novak to destroy Nadal in 1 final clash between the 2, preferably a swift execution at the Aus Open or the Olympics ? What do you say? @nachiket nolefam @Kralingen

Yeah at this point there’s nothing left to root for or against records wise. Djokovic has obliterated basically everything, the debate is over. All I care about is memorable matches and entertainment

I hope Nadal comes back for one last hurrah at RG and also adds drama to the Olympics held there. But I don’t necessarily expect much of him, we all know his body will let him down at some point. Just hope he can give us one last classic before it does

Carlos-Sinner rivalry is awesome and I’d like to see more of it. I hope Rune or Shelton can take the next step too. Just give me guys who are going to push Djokovic to the limit

 

[Razer]

Yeah at this point there’s nothing left to root for or against records wise. Djokovic has obliterated basically everything, the debate is over. All I care about is memorable matches and entertainment

I hope Nadal comes back for one last hurrah at RG and also adds drama to the Olympics held there. But I don’t necessarily expect much of him, we all know his body will let him down at some point. Just hope he can give us one last classic before it does

Carlos-Sinner rivalry is awesome and I’d like to see more of it. I hope Rune or Shelton can take the next step too. Just give me guys who are going to push Djokovic to the limit

That was always gonna happen, since Federer looked finished I always knew the first half of the 2020s decade would be all about Djokovic vs the 2000s born youngsters, that's the new story since Nadal is not capable of inflicting any serious dents and the 1990s men truly incapable of anything in life.

So we knew that it was upto 2000s boys, either they will have to climb up in level to him or he will have to climb down to match them, but what we saw is Djokovic has no intention of climbing down, he is almost stable at whatever declined level that he is operating at.... So they will have to climb up and I am sure they will at some point, they are capable of doing that unlike 90s men.

At thing point I am almost sure that Djokovic is gonna decline alone with Med-Tsitsipas-Zverev, when they are past their prime he too will be past winning slams..... mind boggling since they are all a decade younger to him, lol. Kyrgios already is semi retired and he is like 8 years younger. maybe Tsitsipas will also retire along with Djokovic because by that time Carlos-Sinner-Rune-Ben would all be so strong that Stefanos will have 0 hope of touching them ..... At least Med has managed to sneak in a slam.... good for him, he wont retire a complete failure, tough luck for Zverev and Stefanos, their futures seem dark. The 1990s is a dark generation in Tennis.

 

[jmacdaununder2]

So apparently everything points to a Nogold CYGGS - if this statistically unlikely occurrence comes to fruition one of the big three would at least be slightly more than half way to emulating Rod Laver.

 

[LetWinner]

So it seems like I got almost every detail wrong except the main one in the title. I thought Djokovic would slowly decline from 2022 to 2024 but instead it seems he declined none at all in 2023 and then fell off a cliff in 2024, which was different than I expected, but somehow ended up creating the same result.

 

[Airspun]

1/4 Chance denied

 

[gamelovergold]

Spirit is willing but flesh is weak. Time is over for novak. He can still produce some memorable moments but slam are looking out of reach.

 

[DSH]

I was discussing this in a different thread, but I thought this needed a thread of its own.

Nadal is less of a shocker, because you can tell he is in decline physically. That is only going to get worse. Djokovic is the one more people may be confused by

On Djokovic - In my estimation He's never winning the AO again, even if he plays next year. He is never winning the USO again, even if he plays next year. I'd give him a 10% shot of winning another FO, just because the clay field is amazingly weak now. And I'd said he's the favorite for Wimby 2023. After that, its night-night. Djokovic's slam count will end on 22.

there’s a new ATG talent with ATG confidence. There are two 35+ ATGs who have been obviously declining (Nadal physically, Djokovic in consistency). As they continue to get older, the young ATG gets better. Nadal will take this USO, and maybe next year’s FO. Djokovic is the favorite to take next year’s Wimbledon. AO and USO 2023 are Alcaraz’, unless Sinner shows tremendous improvement and is able to steal one of the hard court majors off Alcaraz.

Alcaraz has a level of consistent offense that can absolutely wipe anyone off the map. No other young gun has this (On Sinner, note consistent). He is the one.

He has no mental red flags. He doesn’t berate umpires or blow gaskets when things aren’t going his way. His family do not hail him as the GOAT (his parents even said he shouldn’t be compared to ATGs.). He has touch and feel at the net and on the baseline, but can whip out the power almost any time he wants and from almost any position. Let’s not even mention his insane speed and fitness.

Alcaraz has played 4 masters this year. His first, he reached the SF. At two of the others he won the title, on two separate surfaces. The only blemish on his record is the Monte Carlo 2R loss.

At the last 4 Majors he has played, Alcaraz’ results: QF-3R-QF-4R

Expect at the very least an SF berth at the USO.

I will slow down on the hype if I see him have the same issues on HC that he has on clay and grass. There is a reason Nadal and Djokovic will still own clay and grass respectively next year. In regards to Sinner’s dispatch of Alcaraz at Wimbledon, return issues are amplified on grass. I understand his ROS isn’t up to par with the rest of his game, but grass is where that matters 2X. He can get away with it on HC. He’s not good enough at this very moment to win USO, but all the HC he will play for the rest of the year will prepare him for the AO, where he will be the winner IMO.

He will take the HC majors in the next year (barring Sinner explosion), and by 2024 Nadal and Djokovic will not be able to keep up with him, and probably an upgraded Sinner. 36 and 37 are not ages that can surpass even a Tier 3 ATG, which is Alcaraz’ floor.