2023 Wimbledon Final: Carlos Alcaraz vs. Novak Djokovic
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sortof
Professional
Nope, it´s not an over reaction but a prediction. Wimbledon was his best shot for one more and last slam title - game over.
We will see. I do agree it will be harder as time catches up with everyone.
As long as Rafa doesn't get any more then that is main thing for me and is only shot is likely to be RG 2024.
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
Just my thoughts.Why isn't novak being fined for this ?? this disgusting behavior. also why wasn't he penalized ??
I was surprised he was not penalized, or reprimanded, or something.
The Russian girl MA, got an 8,000 quid fine, Djokovic nothing.
I'm glad he lost, he deserved.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Tempted to go through and count how many times the word "MUG" was used in this match thread. I suspect more than 500 times
mental midget
Hall of Fame
agree, adding drop shots somewhat consistently to his arsenal would be a huge bonus...especially for a player like him who's so good at pinning people deep with great groundstrokes. another big addition would be a short slice a la federer, which carlos did a couple times to novak as well. sinner's got powerful passing shots, why not drag people in more often?
Sorry, In tennis there are categories. You have the architects, who design beautiful games making an exquisite use of their fine tools to win each point with creativity and skill, and you have the workers, who make intensive use of their not very wide range of tools in order to do always the same. Sinner is of the former group; I would be surprised that at this point he develops more resources that he can use in an effective and consistent way.
optic yellow
Legend
You mean latter?
Gumby
Semi-Pro
I’ve said this before a few months back that I see Sinner as a Berdych 2.0. Very similar strokes and power. Lacking in variety, somewhat mechanical game. I hope he can add more tools to his game and some imagination as well because he has great ability.
One of Novak's service games lasted 27 minutes!
Winners or Errors
Legend
You meant the latter group, right? Sinner isn't an "architect."
You can't underestimate the importance (and uniqueness) of Alcaraz's speed.
No one else on tour that I can see runs as quickly as him. That's what was putting so much pressure on Djokovic.
flyingboris
Legend
That was incredible. They played 32 points in that game, enough for an entire 6-2 set.
Thanks for posting this Beatlesfan - I watched it live yesterday, but enjoyed seeing it again. Carlos is a great kid. That beaming face and his friendly interactions with everyone are heartwarming.
I was touched by ND's own tributes to CA, and to see his folks congratulating him too was a special touch - Jelena is graceful and gracious. Such wonderful scenes.
I was very busy with family stuff yesterday, but will spend time today ( and probably for a few days) enjoying the win for Carlos / the news and re-watching the match. I haven't felt this pleased about a GS title win since Federer's time.
In reflecting over the win by Carlos, it is appropriate to also reflect upon the recent achievements of ND.
He has been the yardstick, the player to beat for so long that it became unnecessary to repeat it. It was a 'given'. Whether a fan of his or not, his outstanding prowess and achievements are worthy of being acknowledged as simply exceptional. This year alone, he has won the AO and FO, and was the finalist here at Wimbly. He is acclaimed as currently playing the best tennis of his illustrious career ( for example by John McEnroe and Tim Henman) at the age of 36. Having reached the pinnacle of most ever GS titles in the men's game, he continues to compete for yet more glory. Simply remarkable.
In this match, he fought to the end, giving all he had to give, as is befitting of a great champion. In defeat, he contributed to the ceremony with smiles and an eloquent speech in which he was effusive and gracious to the victor, as is befitting of a great champion.
In celebrating Carlos's victory, I pay tribute also to ND for helping to make this such a superb finals match, one that ignited the interest of the tennis world, and beyond, and will live in the memory for the forseeable future. They say it takes 2 to tango, and this match was certainly a dance of passion and intrigue. Bravo to them both.
He has been the yardstick, the player to beat for so long that it became unnecessary to repeat it. It was a 'given'. Whether a fan of his or not, his outstanding prowess and achievements are worthy of being acknowledged as simply exceptional. This year alone, he has won the AO and FO, and was the finalist here at Wimbly. He is acclaimed as currently playing the best tennis of his illustrious career ( for example by John McEnroe and Tim Henman) at the age of 36. Having reached the pinnacle of most ever GS titles in the men's game, he continues to compete for yet more glory. Simply remarkable.
In this match, he fought to the end, giving all he had to give, as is befitting of a great champion. In defeat, he contributed to the ceremony with smiles and an eloquent speech in which he was effusive and gracious to the victor, as is befitting of a great champion.
In celebrating Carlos's victory, I pay tribute also to ND for helping to make this such a superb finals match, one that ignited the interest of the tennis world, and beyond, and will live in the memory for the forseeable future. They say it takes 2 to tango, and this match was certainly a dance of passion and intrigue. Bravo to them both.
Benf15harp
Hall of Fame
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Novak played better than tiny. Nole Hit the cleaner ball by far. I lost count how many junk balls or mishits tiny hit at least 100.
Here’s where Novak f’d up.
1. The drop shot attempt up a mini in 2nd set tiebreaker. He mistakenly laughed it off and it cost him. A 2 set lead and it’s over.
2. Letting that service game last almost 30 mins in early 3rd set
Should’ve tapped out at 10mins and moved on as it cost him in the fifth. Serving for 30 mins straight is exhausting.
3. Not actually finishing shots in the fifth. He had every opportunity to defeat tiny but he didn’t add a few extra mph to a few shots to seal the deal.
Tiny definitely had the more spectacular shots. Maybe 5-10 but other than those he looked exceptionally average out there.
Also, tiny < 6ft tall.
It was a fairly good match but Novak really should have won in straights or maybe 4.
Physically Novak was excellent but it appears the age factor was more evident mentally and that’s what did him in.
Novak played better than tiny. Nole Hit the cleaner ball by far. I lost count how many junk balls or mishits tiny hit at least 100.
Here’s where Novak f’d up.
1. The drop shot attempt up a mini in 2nd set tiebreaker. He mistakenly laughed it off and it cost him. A 2 set lead and it’s over.
2. Letting that service game last almost 30 mins in early 3rd set
Should’ve tapped out at 10mins and moved on as it cost him in the fifth. Serving for 30 mins straight is exhausting.
3. Not actually finishing shots in the fifth. He had every opportunity to defeat tiny but he didn’t add a few extra mph to a few shots to seal the deal.
Tiny definitely had the more spectacular shots. Maybe 5-10 but other than those he looked exceptionally average out there.
Also, tiny < 6ft tall.
It was a fairly good match but Novak really should have won in straights or maybe 4.
Physically Novak was excellent but it appears the age factor was more evident mentally and that’s what did him in.
You would have wanted him fined and losing even if he had behaved like a saint lol
Rattie
Legend
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
He’s just not elite
abmk
Bionic Poster
Sinner is Berdych 0.75 aka discount Berdych.
berdych has by far the better serve, has clearly better fh and I'd say slightly better bh. sinner slightly better movement and arguably return.
ScottleeSV
Hall of Fame
Some legendary quotes there. Here are my favourites...
"Novak played better than Tiny"
"Nole hit the cleaner ball by far. I lost count how many junk balls or mishits, Tiny at least 100".
And my personal favourite...
"Tiny definitely had the more spectacular shots. Maybe 5-10 but other than those he looked exceptionally average out there".
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
Novak Djokovic has been fined £6,117 for smashing his racquet against the net post during his five-set defeat to Carlos Alcaraz in the Wimbledon final. Djokovic struck the net cord when he was broken in the third game of the fifth set in his defeat to the world No. 1. Eurosport's Mats Wilander says he saw no issue with Djokovic showing his emotions at a crucial moment in the match.
Are you sure you made the headline big enough lol. I have no issue with that he deserved it for smashing it into net
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dunlop_fort_knox
Professional
architects need a full tool box to be complete.
flyingboris
Legend
Actually it's pretty entertaining. So many people completely giving up on Carlos. To be fair, it had all signs of a complete beat down early on. All the more exciting that he came roaring back.Over 5400 replies to this thread. Wow. Don’t think I will read back
Mark Anderson
Semi-Pro
Gee, he's listed as six feet. What's an inch?
borg's headband
New User
I've now seen this legendary match with the Eurosport commentary and my native Swedish commentary but would love to watch the ESPN broadcast with the US commentary. If anyone has it downloaded I would greatly appreciate it. Please PM. Thanks!
Benf15harp
Hall of Fame
You’re doing too much. Do less.
Benf15harp
Hall of Fame
Legendary match(?) with 40% being total blowout sets 1/3. 4/5th sets were close to blowouts. And the second set tiebreaker where Novak can’t get routine backhands over the net. This match was an average final at best only due to the roller coaster nature of it, which was due to extremely poor play from both.
borg's headband
New User
Please explain what you mean?
Benf15harp
Hall of Fame
Watching this match 3 times is ridiculous
It was average at best.
This could end up being real but of course these are early days. He's 16-2 in his career with Queens and Wimbledon trophies. This has been a formidable start to say the least.
It was a great match despite the win (or because of it?). The accuracy, the depth, and the movement from both men. It was a spectacle.
It's a beautiful wing isn't, it? It may not be as reliable as it was in this Wimbledon all the time but it's a beautiful two-hander.
happyandbob
Legend
Did Wimbledon fine him in US Dollars? His fine was $8000 USD --> £6,117
6117 seems like an unusual number for a fine if he was fined in GBP
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
I really don't know, I just saw some news, I think it was BBc, but I'm not sure, then I copied and pasted.
The figure in pounds, it sure looks funny.
A billion people watched the match apparently. Huge for the sport. It feels like 00s Fedal days, this past week.
BenC
Hall of Fame
when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
brinkeguthrie
Hall of Fame
didn't Djoker get a warning for that?
sortof
Professional
These two inexplicable backhands into the net and before the failed (Davidovich Fokina-like) dropper proved to be the nails in the coffin. Djokovic needed to win the breaker to virtually seal the match and blew it miserably.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic could exploit Federer's BH and force the error. Couldn't do that against Alcaraz.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic broke mentally. It felt at times that he was playing a turbo charged version of himself. Except Alcaraz hit bigger. The dude is a powerhouse with crazy speed, finesse, and drive.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Lol then how did he stretch it to five. Djokovic creates forced errors which are as good as winners. Don't talk nonsense.
FastCourtTennisFan
New User
Alcaraz played a very mediocre match, except for the 3rd set and some sections of the fifth set and still managed to subdue a near perfect Djokovic. He definitely showed a lot of nerves for most of the match and only managed to win, because of his superior shot making and artillery. Djokovic missed a few critical chances here and there , but was almost at his best, for most of the match. Once Alcaraz gets over his nerves, which this result definitely helps, I don’t see how Djokovic can win 3 sets against him on any surface. Having said that, Alcaraz is going more prone to random upsets and I fear we may not see enough matches in this rivalry in slams.
I wonder had Alcaraz won French open, defeating Djokovic in semis, would he have had the same motivation at Wimbledon? May be his loss at French fueled him to achieve greater levels at Wimbledon.
I wonder had Alcaraz won French open, defeating Djokovic in semis, would he have had the same motivation at Wimbledon? May be his loss at French fueled him to achieve greater levels at Wimbledon.
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