2023 Wimbledon Final: Carlos Alcaraz vs. Novak Djokovic
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Age in itself is just a number. Novak’s two years older than in 2021 but playing just as well if not better. Maybe he’ll still be playing this same level two years from now. If that’s the case, then any wins over him then would still be quite impressive.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Nah, not buying that. Even Tsitsipas beat a geriatric Fed and we know how meaningful that win was.
Milehigh5280
Professional
I’m going with Novak in 5. I think his experience on this stage will give him the edge. Alcaraz has a good shot though. He needs to remind himself that he’s the underdog, stay in the moment don’t think about the significance of the match, focus only on the point being played and play freely. I know that’s a tall task but if he can keep his emotions in check and pace himself he has a shot. I think we get a classic final
Exactly!
If Carlo wants to be remembered as the man who took down Djoker, it has to happen now...
Alcaraz has one of the best return games on tour, though. He’s been brutalizing second serves and totally deconstructed guys like Medvedev and Berrettini. It will be no easy task on Sunday, of course, but I don’t know how huge a gap there really is in the serve-return complex.
Baseline_Bungle
Legend
Barring cramps, nuclear holocaust, a wada raid or some other freakish occurrence, the Spanish GMO will cruise to the title.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic in 4. Only other members of the Big 4 (Murray & Federer) have ever taken 2 or more sets off him in Wimbledon Finals.
It's a final on Centre Court - only Murray has beaten him in that situation (2013)
If it's indoors - only Federer has beaten him in that situation (2012)
Alcaraz has played well and is clearly getting to grips with the surface, but this is a big, big step up from anything he's had to deal with so far
6-1, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3
It's a final on Centre Court - only Murray has beaten him in that situation (2013)
If it's indoors - only Federer has beaten him in that situation (2012)
Alcaraz has played well and is clearly getting to grips with the surface, but this is a big, big step up from anything he's had to deal with so far
6-1, 7-6, 6-7, 6-3
mike danny
Bionic Poster
And once Djokovic wins, the hype can finally die down.
Nadal - GOAT
Hall of Fame
Yes.. that's it. And it is a much simpler task than what Nadal had with Fed..
Omega_7000
Legend
Yes. Now is the time. Otherwise he will go down as a guy who just got lucky to be born in a time when Djokovic was semi-retired. Won't mean the same.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Thankfully Djokovic got the slam record just in time
ghostofMecir
Legend
Carlitos improves tournament by tournament. He and his team have addressed so many of his weaknesses— return of serve, serve placement and ball toss (this can get even better and is his biggest path to improving just that little bit more to make him really really difficult for anyone to beat much like Djokovic has improved his ball toss where it is virtually unreadable now).
His backhand cross court approach shot and finishing at net has been really good although he has tried too many drop volleys on mid to high valley opportunities that he should hit crisp Valley winters off of what was doing a good job today.
As for the final, he has a chance to redeem himself after what happened in Paris. He was beginning to outplay Djokovic and headed not been for the cramps I think he would’ve won.
I don’t really like the match of dynamics for him against Djokovic on grass — I think Djokovic holds serve much more easily than Carlitos does. Carlitos has done a phenomenal job in the last two matches holding serve, but I just don’t see him doing the same against Djokovic, and I see Djokovic getting into his return games right from the get-go and applying an immense amount of pressure. If Carlitos is going to win, he’s going to have to come up with a lot of great shots on pressure points, especially I think fighting off brake points in the first set.
His backhand cross court approach shot and finishing at net has been really good although he has tried too many drop volleys on mid to high valley opportunities that he should hit crisp Valley winters off of what was doing a good job today.
As for the final, he has a chance to redeem himself after what happened in Paris. He was beginning to outplay Djokovic and headed not been for the cramps I think he would’ve won.
I don’t really like the match of dynamics for him against Djokovic on grass — I think Djokovic holds serve much more easily than Carlitos does. Carlitos has done a phenomenal job in the last two matches holding serve, but I just don’t see him doing the same against Djokovic, and I see Djokovic getting into his return games right from the get-go and applying an immense amount of pressure. If Carlitos is going to win, he’s going to have to come up with a lot of great shots on pressure points, especially I think fighting off brake points in the first set.
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Carlo has the game, it will be decided on who is most clutch on BP conversion and tie breaks. Sinner couldnt take a set although Djoker handed it to him. We will see...
Thats what im afriad of...
Baseline_Bungle
Legend
Actually stand to make nearly 10k if Vondrousova and Rats win it. Gonna cover massively with Jabeur, but if the Czech should miraculously pull it out, I'll barely bother to cover with Djoko.
UnforcedTerror
Hall of Fame
This is how it feels actually. Djokovic would need to bring his best serving performance to have a chance. Alcaraz will outpower and outgrind him if he plays with average serve.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic in 4.
"Dominate" the decade? Based on what? Not his 2023 French Open performance, I imagine.
Nadal_King
Hall of Fame
Tennis badly needs a classic 5 setter to save this tennis season from going in history books as one of the worst. Also Alcaraz win in 5 would make it even more HISTORIC!
Yeah but he had already started dropping off. Lost the previous two slams to Anderson and Millman. We’ll see where Novak is at the same age.
Baseline_Bungle
Legend
Before cramping, he dominated the 23 French Open too.
Thundergod
Hall of Fame
Unless Alcaraz makes every single final from here on out, the only thing that will happen is that Djokovic will still scoop up whatever slam Alcaraz doesn't make the final in. Same situation as Djokovic and Nadal the last 5 years.
World Beater
Hall of Fame
djokovic will defend like crazy and alcaraz will try to blast his way through. He will miss crucial balls and big points.
Djokovic in 3 or 4.
Djokovic in 3 or 4.
Smart strategy.
2.55 is an absolute gift. I’ve had a long term Novak futures bet for this Wimbledon, so no hedging needed, but gun to my head I would put it all on Carlos winning.
World Beater
Hall of Fame
carlos will be the man to beat djoker but dont think its happening this year. Novak is too strong and determined to win CYGS.
Terry Tibbs
Hall of Fame
Rafa is done.
TheNachoMan
Legend
We say that every year. Not buying it until he says so.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Simply amazing how users don't learn anything, even after the DO disaster. And of course after another embarrassing loss of the next gen, you will predict Alcaraz to win USO. Then AO next year, and so on.
Thats why it has to be now
World Beater
Hall of Fame
Nadal is the only guy who can attack with margin against djokovic. All other blast one ball and then the next goes into the net or the stands.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Lol, no. In a few days we will be hearing how Alcaraz is the favorite for USO, then for AO next year, and so on. All serious people already put an asterisk on all of his achievements. Thus who didn't will never learn.
Well, dont forget that he actually has lost to others than Fedal quite a few times, last time to Meddy at USO..it happens... And that was also chasing the CYGS
bigjimbofan
Semi-Pro
Nerves lead to cramps again ?
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
That's a lot of arrogance on a player you started hyping about 5 minutes ago.
Where were you in 2021, when i got mocked for predicting he'd top 3?
BillieJoeOakland1
Rookie
For the love of God, Carlos please crush him.
ADuck
Legend
I can't tell if you're smart or dumb sometimes. Alcaraz is clearly ATG material and even if he doesn't win now, he's only 20 years old, and is clearly going to have a really successful career. He's clearly different from the rest of his generation. Only a blind man couldn't see that.
Genie Of the Bank
Hall of Fame
Novak in 4. 7-6, 5-7, 7-6,6-4.
Mark Anderson
Semi-Pro
This is a tough one. Could go three zip either way. Since Djokovic is just adding to his lead it won't be so overwhelming for him like the US Open was. Alcaraz seems to be smiling again and looked very, very good today. I'm just hoping it's a match.
I was in the trenches at Winston SalemThat's a lot of arrogance on a player you started hyping about 5 minutes ago.
Where were you in 2021, when i got mocked for predicting he'd top 3?
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
I saw him physically collapse against a 36 years old after just 2 sets. Don't see how is it different from the other next gen. Should I remind you what Nadal was at age 20?
Alcaraz is lucky to play in the weakest era of all time, and even here the only opponent he has (a 36 years old) is too much for him in BO5. It's clear he wouldn't even be relevant if he had to play the big 3 from 2017-2019, leave alone against their prime versions.
TheNachoMan
Legend
Will we get the roof?
Zardoz7/12
Hall of Fame
It's sunny with clouds on Sunday in London, 21c
TheNachoMan
Legend
Chants of “Vamos” can be heard.
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