2023 Wimbledon SF: Carlos Alcaraz vs. Daniil Medvedev

Who wins?


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Topspin_80

Hall of Fame
I think more like 55 45 Nole. But Alcaraz is in better form just like RG.
Regardless of how we evaluate the chances of Carlos and Novak, we agree on something basic, and that is
that Novak is the favorite.

I wish I could say Alcaraz is the favorite, like I said it for RG, but Wimbledon is a different story, and Alcaraz
could play his greatest match ever, and still lose it.

Having said that, I'll say that this is the last year Djokovic is favorite when playing Alcaraz.
 

Eureka

Professional
What a superb performance by CA. Displaying power, skill and considerable panache, he cut through DM's game like a hot knife through butter when necessary. Congratulations to him for consolidating his grass court credentials and reaching the final.

DM was not allowed to play his game, and any strategy he might have tried, failed. He looked defeated long before the match ended, but despite that, made a valiant effort to put up a fight in the 3rd set. Even then, it seemed that CA could break him at will, and he did exactly that. I hope he's okay, as it can't be easy to be beaten so comprehensively.

To see CA beaming away, and hearing his take on things during the courtside interview was a joy. He is aware of the huge task he faces in the final, yet relishes it.

Bravo Carlos.
 

Prokne

New User
alcaraz is improving nicely on grass. very impressive and he's only 20. Medvedev's worst surface was so evident today. He was totally rattled and his normal game style of returning from the parking lot didn't work.
I'm really surprised he even made it to the semis playing like that. His opponents must have been so bad on grass that they don't know how to serve wide and come in to volley it away. Eubanks had the right idea, but ran out of gas. There's a reason why you never saw people return from way back there even when the courts were fast and you really needed extra time to return.
 

Eureka

Professional
I can’t speak Arabic but I can tell enough to wish we had commentators like this lol....
Looooool! When the reactions speaks volumes, who needs to understand the words!

Some interesting articles from the ATP site:


 

acintya

Legend
Wow what a show by Carlitos. Sorry Med fans but Medvedev is one of the most boring players to me. Maybe because of his loopy strokes without spin. Push push
 

Rattie

Legend
Looooool! When the reactions speaks volumes, who needs to understand the words!

Some interesting articles from the ATP site:


Daniil giving Carlos at lot of respect there
 

BenC

Hall of Fame
I didn't see either semi-final.
I watched the Hsieh match and then went out to play tennis.
Did I miss anything exciting except for the Raz-Med match point?
nope, nothing that won't be in the short youtube highlights. Hsieh/Strycova was much more entertaining.
 

Vincent-C

Legend
honestly, i see much probable he cramps again than he loses, losing in straights is just an imposibility, i mean if that happens i could even accept to tatto novaks smiley face on my ass, i expect nolefam to come hard at me if he loses because i will deserve it and i would do no less, but if alcaraz wins, everybody deep down will finally see and accept that playing the game the right way, going for your shots, being creative, playing all court, is in essence the best way to play tennis if you have the talent for it, superior shot making from the choosen one will dismantle the percentage taylored tennis from an in fact not very creative player and put down all this farce, tennis has been in a bit of a bucle with the style novak has developed, alcaraz is just about to give back the balance to the force, i mean man, you come from sampras era, i cant even understand you support novaks tenis over alcarazs, well i imagine, many disapointments from mediocre players like shapovalov and such, have made you accept novak as the ultimate and unavoidable faith, but dont worry man, its not late for you, deep inside you know the truth, alcaraz will rescue you and many more on sunday, and we can put an end to this painful era of our tennis lives.
I am unfamiliar with this dialect.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Regardless of how we evaluate the chances of Carlos and Novak, we agree on something basic, and that is
that Novak is the favorite.

I wish I could say Alcaraz is the favorite, like I said it for RG, but Wimbledon is a different story, and Alcaraz
could play his greatest match ever, and still lose it.

Having said that, I'll say that this is the last year Djokovic is favorite when playing Alcaraz.
I think at the AO Novak will be favorite regardless.
 
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Soul_of_Slicehand

Guest
You are becoming more careless the more our guy is winning. May it continue for longest time.
the more Carlos wins id say, too many points to get across, difficult to put words to Carlitos tennis, novak i can think of words you know, solid, consistent, etc, with carlos you just miss words to describe such crazy tennis, juts god sent stuff, i hope as much part of nolefam as you are, you enjoy Carlos when nobody watches, i know anyone with eyes could.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Yes yes I know. For non nolefams only thing left is beauty of tennis. So you will use it to put down nole but it won't matter because we love Nole's game. Its much better than Rafa and more consistent than Roger who was error machine.
 
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Soul_of_Slicehand

Guest
Yes yes I know. For non nolefams only thing left is beauty of tennis. So you will use it to put down nole but it won't matter because we love Nole's game. Its much better than Rafa and more consistent than Roger who was error machine.
beauty of tennis was all that really mattered all along, you dont watch a tennis match thinking about numbers lol, winning is great, entertaining is priceless, but of course, tastes are tastes, but i just get the impresion nole fans are fans of the victories and not the actual tennis, ive met veeery few legit fans of nole, most came when he started winning everything despite doing it with an unatractive tennis, just my 3 cents.
 

paolo2143

Professional
beauty of tennis was all that really mattered all along, you dont watch a tennis match thinking about numbers lol, winning is great, entertaining is priceless, but of course, tastes are tastes, but i just get the impresion nole fans are fans of the victories and not the actual tennis, ive met veeery few legit fans of nole, most came when he started winning everything despite doing it with an unatractive tennis, just my 3 cents.
Definitely not case for me as i was originally a Roger fan and used to be devastated when he lost to Rafa or on odd occasion to Novak.

Then came 2011 and what i admired was way Novak worked so hard to turnaround his mentality into a winning one and then beating Rafa in 3 slams in a row including that epic 2012 Australian open match. I admired his tenacity and the way he eefused to buckle even when his opponents had him on the rack and 99% of crowd against him.

Gradually over the years this admiration turned into full blown support. Considering that his entire life he has had to play every opponent with crowd against him, his achievements are outstanding. If Roger or Rafa had to face such baying from the crowd i don't think they would have won nearly as much.
 
Definitely not case for me as i was originally a Roger fan and used to be devastated when he lost to Rafa or on odd occasion to Novak.

Then came 2011 and what i admired was way Novak worked so hard to turnaround his mentality into a winning one and then beating Rafa in 3 slams in a row including that epic 2012 Australian open match. I admired his tenacity and the way he eefused to buckle even when his opponents had him on the rack and 99% of crowd against him.

Gradually over the years this admiration turned into full blown support. Considering that his entire life he has had to play every opponent with crowd against him, his achievements are outstanding. If Roger or Rafa had to face such baying from the crowd i don't think they would have won nearly as much.
Hmm, why were the crowds against him?

I agree with you that whatever he did between 2010 and 2011 has to be one of the most amazing stories in sports history. I can't see it just being the egg and saying no to glutens. How did he turn the corner mentally? Other things to turning it physically? Is that when his obsession with stretching began? Sadly, I just don't know enough about that transition, watch it though I did. He slipped in 2010 and then, boom, he has been indestructible since 2011.

I am shocked that I don't see anyone copying his fitness, diet, egg, etc. routines.
 

doodlyd

Semi-Pro
Hmm, why were the crowds against him?

I agree with you that whatever he did between 2010 and 2011 has to be one of the most amazing stories in sports history. I can't see it just being the egg and saying no to glutens. How did he turn the corner mentally? Other things to turning it physically? Is that when his obsession with stretching began? Sadly, I just don't know enough about that transition, watch it though I did. He slipped in 2010 and then, boom, he has been indestructible since 2011.

I am shocked that I don't see anyone copying his fitness, diet, egg, etc. routines.
different routines for different folks ... it can work only for Djokovic ...
 
different routines for different folks ... it can work only for Djokovic ...
No, there are lessons in the Djoker's approach. The next truly great player will need his kind of longevity, too. Learning those lessons will be essential to any talented player who wants to be an ATG ...or potential GOAT candidate. I don't think anyone can ignore what he has done. I may complain about the dearth of emerging talent over the last 16 years, but that doesn't mean I think Novak Djokovic is anything but an incredible tennis player who is near or at the top of the GOAT list.
 

doodlyd

Semi-Pro
No, there are lessons in the Djoker's approach. The next truly great player will need his kind of longevity, too. Learning those lessons will be essential to any talented player who wants to be an ATG ...or potential GOAT candidate. I don't think anyone can ignore what he has done. I may complain about the dearth of emerging talent over the last 16 years, but that doesn't mean I think Novak Djokovic is anything but an incredible tennis player who is near or at the top of the GOAT list.
Nadal and Federer had different routines so what is your point ? its not that simple just to copy someone's routines and win 20+ slams ,.. its all personal way of training cause we are build different ... Federer had the most easy and efficient movement in history but it didn't help his knee to fail
 
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Nadal and Federer had different routines so what is your point ? its not that simple just to copy someone's routines and win 20+ slams ,.. its all personal way of training cause we are build different ... Federer had the most efficient movement in history but it didnt help his knees to fail
Yup, neither guy pursued flexibility like Djokovic and it has cost them…
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
Yup, neither guy pursued flexibility like Djokovic and it has cost them…
Maybe. Hard to prove a counterfactual. I think plenty of players could follow Novak’s stretching routine and still get injured as often as Nadal. Stretching is hardly some panacea and everyone’s body is different.
 
Maybe. Hard to prove a counterfactual. I think plenty of players could follow Novak’s stretching routine and still get injured as often as Nadal. Stretching is hardly some panacea and everyone’s body is different.
Plenty of documentation that stretching reduces injury.
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
Plenty of documentation that stretching reduces injury.
Yeah I’m not disputing that, I’m a fan of stretching myself and everyone should probably do it, but that’s a far cry from saying someone wouldn’t have had one specific injury (e.g., Fed’s knee) if he’d only stretched more. The most flexible people on earth can still get injured in all sorts of ways.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
Looks like Alcaraz is not used to the condition today with the roof open. He seems to misjudge the bounce more often than usual, and is forced to play weak forehand slices too many times. That makes him a bit indecisive with shot selection. A bit of real trouble, hopefully he successfully adjusts quickly enough.
 
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