2023 Wimbledon SF: Novak Djokovic vs. Jannik Sinner

Who wins?


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nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Quite honestly, the race among the Big 3 is over and my guy clearly lost now. Given that, I want Djoker to break Court's record of 24. She needs to go down.

Here's a recap of Djoker's records. They are absolutely ridiculous. I should really wait until Sunday to post it. But here goes anyway:

23 slam titles
Boxed set of Masters. Nobody else has done it. But he's done it twice
Triple Career Grand Slam
38 Msters titles
6 WTF titles(tied with Federer)
389 weeks at #1
7+ majors at 2 slams
34 slam finals
7+ finals at all 4 majors
8+ finals in 3 majors
10+ semis at each Grand Slam
81+ match wins at each Grand Slam
13 hard court Grand Slams
12 different years ranked #1
31 straight Masters match wins
12 straight Masters finals won
4 straight WTF titles
winner of the WTF in 3 different decades
completed Career Grand slam in his 20s and also did it in his 30s
3 winning streaks of 27 matches at majors
won 34 5-set matches in slams

This guy is absolutely ridiculous.
And he said he will play for a very long time. I completely believe him.
 

Genie Of the Bank

Hall of Fame
The Force is strong in Novak !!!

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NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Sinner's weak draw did him in. He wasn't playing a high enough level to stay with Djokovic until set 3 and by then it was too late. He played a bunch of nobodies that didn't get him ready for a match of this caliber unlike last year when he had beaten Alcaraz. I like Sinner and wish the best for him and his future, but I can't stand Darren Cahill so glad of this result also for that reason.
 

Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
Laughable if it was so easy to keep ball in play everyone would be a champion. Novak hits the lines time and time again and when the pressure is on he handles it way better than the likes of Roger ever did. In terms of mental toughness along with Rafa and peak Borg he must be one of all time greats
He’s mentally tough in that he’s the best in just keeping the ball in play in big points. He doesn’t hit winners or play aggressive in big moments. He lets the other guy force the issue because he knows he can just ball retrieve and his consistency is the best. I just wish there was another great player that actually had the ability to take it to him. It was beautiful to watch a prime Wawrinka blow him off the court with power. When Wimbledon was actually fast ground stroke consistency didn’t matter as much because you could 1-2 punch way easier. Wimbledon should be all about short rally power tennis and net game.
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
I think this giving them time pretext has grown extremely old at this point.
21 is pretty young, though. Zverev and Tsitsipas are past the point of no return. They’re not winning slams. Sinner still has time to turn things around, I think. I’m with you – I wish it would happen sooner, but it is what it is. Novak’s just too good for anyone not playing close to an ATG level.
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
Sinner was pathetic today when it mattered. Let’s call it what it is. He will never ever get a better draw to an SF than that, plus two days off to recover.

He went backwards in every way from last year.

Ultimately, an exceedingly frustrating loss and one that signifies just how far he is off the top level.
 
Sinner had 34 unforced errors the entire match. That's about 11 per set, which is not bad at all. And despite claims of Sinner sucking at net here, he won 22 of 29 points at net (76%), which is also pretty good. Djokovic, in comparison, won 68% at net. Sinner did stink in the tiebreaker, but over the course of the match, he mainly just lost the most important points, which is par for the course against Djokovic.
No, the counting is odd. Sinner made many more than that number. They were counted as forced. It's just a way to make the matches look better than they were.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
The players who should be beating Djokovic are the 25-29 yo players, not the ones who've just left teen-age.
22 years is a good age to beat someone aged 36. You act like even in this century we haven't seen 20-22 year olds beat the established champions.
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Med works with a psychologist. Does Sinner? Would it help?
My take is that Sinner needs LESS people to work with. He's so dependent on his team, can't go two seconds without looking at them for affirmation, so many people in his ear. He should play a few tournaments alone and see if he can work his way through matches - learn to rely on himself.
 
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uscwang

Hall of Fame
Quite honestly, the race among the Big 3 is over and my guy clearly lost now. Given that, I want Djoker to break Court's record of 24. She needs to go down.

Here's a recap of Djoker's records. They are absolutely ridiculous. I should really wait until Sunday to post it. But here goes anyway:

23 slam titles
Boxed set of Masters. Nobody else has done it. But he's done it twice
Triple Career Grand Slam
38 Msters titles
6 WTF titles(tied with Federer)
389 weeks at #1
7+ majors at 2 slams
34 slam finals
7+ finals at all 4 majors
8+ finals in 3 majors
10+ semis at each Grand Slam
81+ match wins at each Grand Slam
13 hard court Grand Slams
12 different years ranked #1
31 straight Masters match wins
12 straight Masters finals won
4 straight WTF titles
winner of the WTF in 3 different decades
completed Career Grand slam in his 20s and also did it in his 30s
3 winning streaks of 27 matches at majors
won 34 5-set matches in slams

This guy is absolutely ridiculous.
You forgot 4 GS in a row?
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
I heard that if you want to have British citizenship, you can't have any other citizenship after obtaining it. Otherwise, they will cancel it.

@Mainad?

No, dual citizenship is allowed. Plenty of Brits (mostly celebrities) have dual British and American citizenship. Don't think the US recognises it though.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
22 years is a good age to beat someone aged 36. You act like even in this century we haven't seen 20-22 year olds beat the established champions.
You have this warped idea that age automatically means a win. It means nothing if the older player is just better than you on every level regardless of age.
 

paolo2143

Professional
It’s always funny when an ATG has a problem against a player that most other top players don’t find anything like as difficult to play. Like Djoker vs Stan, Nadal vs Brown. Don’t think Fed has one really
Sampras struggled against Krajicek and had losing record Fed did struggle but against Zverev and Thiem although probably past his peak when he played regularly against them.
 

joekapa

Legend
Quite honestly, the race among the Big 3 is over and my guy clearly lost now. Given that, I want Djoker to break Court's record of 24. She needs to go down.

Here's a recap of Djoker's records. They are absolutely ridiculous. I should really wait until Sunday to post it. But here goes anyway:

23 slam titles
Boxed set of Masters. Nobody else has done it. But he's done it twice
Triple Career Grand Slam
38 Msters titles
6 WTF titles(tied with Federer)
389 weeks at #1
7+ majors at 2 slams
34 slam finals
7+ finals at all 4 majors
8+ finals in 3 majors
10+ semis at each Grand Slam
81+ match wins at each Grand Slam
13 hard court Grand Slams
12 different years ranked #1
31 straight Masters match wins
12 straight Masters finals won
4 straight WTF titles
winner of the WTF in 3 different decades
completed Career Grand slam in his 20s and also did it in his 30s
3 winning streaks of 27 matches at majors
won 34 5-set matches in slams

This guy is absolutely ridiculous.
I think you forgot the 4 slams in a row in a non calendar year.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
They are weak when they lose but I guarantee you if Djokovic were to lose the final, they would be strong again.
Them losing in straight prove they are weak.

And besides, the Big 3 are on another universe to the likes of Safin, Delpo, Stan and Murray and yet they lost slams to all of them. How did that happen to these players from another universe?
 

-snake-

Hall of Fame
I'm not saying I support the British hype. Just that Murray did persevere to gain that breakthrough when he could've packed it in.



Yes the previous supporting cast in the Fedalovic era was better than this one, but banging on everyday about it sounds like old people complaining about new music. It's boring.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Yes the previous supporting cast in the Fedalovic era was better than this one, but banging on everyday about it sounds like old people complaining about new music. It's boring.
Well, has tennis given us reasons to not complain when it's so damn predictable?
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Them losing in straight prove they are weak.

And besides, the Big 3 are on another universe to the likes of Safin, Delpo, Stan and Murray and yet they lost slams to all of them. How did that happen to these players from another universe?
He didn't play anybody this tournament. The average ranking was like 93 or something, and you expect him to just show up and beat the 4 time defending champ because he's 22 and Djokovic is 36...lol. At least Alcaraz and Medvedev have been tested this tournament and have more of a shot.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
He didn't play anybody this tournament. The average ranking was like 93 or something, and you expect him to just show up and beat the 4 time defending champ because he's 22 and Djokovic is 36...lol. At least Alcaraz and Medvedev have been tested this tournament and have more of a shot.


Sinner loses in five sets = He's a mug
Sinner loses in straight sets = He's a mug
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
He didn't play anybody this tournament. The average ranking was like 93 or something, and you expect him to just show up and beat the 4 time defending champ because he's 22 and Djokovic is 36...lol. At least Alcaraz and Medvedev have been tested this tournament and have more of a shot.
Fair enough.
 
You have this warped idea that age automatically means a win. It means nothing if the older player is just better than you on every level regardless of age.
That's the point. No ATG has emerged since Djokovic in 2007 = Inflation Era. Lots of asterisks since about 2013-14 when the first challenger should have emerged. More added when a second one failed to emerge in the 2020-2021 time period. Just saying.
 

Daniel Andrade

Hall of Fame
Them losing in straight prove they are weak.

And besides, the Big 3 are on another universe to the likes of Safin, Delpo, Stan and Murray and yet they lost slams to all of them. How did that happen to these players from another universe?
How many did they lose against them and how many did they win in comparison?
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
That's the point. No ATG has emerged since Djokovic in 2007 = Inflation Era. Lots of asterisks since about 2013-14 when the first challenger should have emerged. More added when a second one failed to emerge in the 2020-2021 time period. Just saying.
Asterick is just nonsense because the wrong man has been winning too much. There's at least one future ATG playing right now. Astericks since 2013? Wow, even that is shifting.
 
Asterick is just nonsense because the wrong man has been winning too much. There's at least one future ATG playing right now. Astericks since 2013? Wow, even that is shifting.
Not the wrong man. Same could be said for Federer and Nadal. No one has emerged. Yes, that's not Novak's fault, but it is certainly a problem for the sport, which has no drama at all now that the other two are gone - and didn't really unless two of the three were facing off prior to that - and even then, Novak's biggest threat off of clay was a guy six years older and his only real hurdle on clay was Nadal. Boring watching the same guys "spit the bit" every single time...
 
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