2023 Wimbledon SF: Novak Djokovic vs. Jannik Sinner

[Thundergod]

Djokovic inside: "LOL, absolutely not. But I can't say I'm facing MUGS, MUGS, MUGS ..."

Lol I'm always curious, you think some of these pros know the term mug?

 

[NoleFam]

Not the wrong man. Same could be said for Federer and Nadal. No one has emerged. Yes, that's not Novak's fault, but it is certainly a problem for the sport, which has no drama at all now that the other two are gone - and didn't really unless two of the three were facing off prior to that - and even then, Novak's biggest threat off of clay was a guy six years older and his only real hurdle on clay was Nadal. Boring watching the same guys "spit the bit" every single time...

When you have three GOATs playing at the same time, there's little chance for an ATG emerging or even one who can win 3 or 4 Slams. We still got that with Murray and Wawrinka. An ATG doesn't truly emerge until their 1st dominant season or when they at least have won about 3 Slams and reached #1. That time is pretty much right the horizon for Alcaraz. Djokovic is in his twilight years and doing amazing things so I don't see how this is bad for tennis. You have plenty of time to see other players win big in the future.

 

[zvelf]

Let's not forget that Sinner is still very young. The pressure we put on these players in their early twenties is huge.

All of these people are writing Sinner off, but he still played better than Rune did against Alcaraz. Sinner won a higher percentage of 1st and 2nd serves, net points, receiving points, and had more winners and fewer unforced errors than Rune. So basically Sinner out-statted Rune in every area.

 

[robyrolfo]

Novak is mental GOAT. And not just in Tennis. Mentally strongest sport athlete EVER.

If you don't watch other sports, that's fine, but you don't have to embarrass yourself with statements like this.

 

[zvelf]

No, the counting is odd. Sinner made many more than that number. They were counted as forced. It's just a way to make the matches look better than they were.

Most points in a match are typically forced errors, more than winners and unforced errors, so that's not unusual. If I'm to believe the official Wimbledon stats or some random guy on the internet, I'm taking the official Wimbledon stats.

 

[fundrazer]

Most points in a match are typically forced errors, more than winners and unforced errors, so that's not unusual. If I'm to believe the official Wimbledon stats or some random guy on the internet, I'm taking the official Wimbledon stats.

Wimbledon is very generous with how they grade errors. This has been common understanding for a long time.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Sinner was pathetic today when it mattered. Let’s call it what it is. He will never ever get a better draw to an SF than that, plus two days off to recover.

He went backwards in every way from last year.

Ultimately, an exceedingly frustrating loss and one that signifies just how far he is off the top level.

Many of us knew this is what Sinner is made of and said so before the match. The sad thing is that aside from the breakpoints and key points he had on serve, he played well, well enough to win and actually had the game to win, but did t have the mental fortitude nor belief. Sad.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Wimbledon is very generous with how they grade errors. This has been common understanding for a long time.

True. I’ve charted a few matches by watching them And almost always the unforced errors that I would come up with would be higher than what the official stats say, but that has happened forever at Wimbledon. If someone is coming to net and even if the passing shot is an easy one, a miss won’t be called an error. Similarly, because there’s no true balance on grass although more so than I used to be, the stats keepers are very generous with the unforced error counts, which logically does make sense.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Sampras struggled against Krajicek and had losing record Fed did struggle but against Zverev and Thiem although probably past his peak when he played regularly against them.

Probably? Lol

 

[abmk]

Lol I'm always curious, you think some of these pros know the term mug?

pretty sure atleast some of them do know the term mug

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Jannik Sinner is fantastic, just needs to work on forehand, backhand, slice, movement, first serve, second serve, return game, baseline game, drop shots, intangibles and converting break points.

 

[abmk]

Jannik Sinner is fantastic, just needs to work on forehand, backhand, slice, movement, first serve, second serve, return game, baseline game, drop shots, intangibles and converting break points.

he needs to talk to your dad Berdych on how to hold his damn serve!

 

[ghostofMecir]

I am man, it’s happening too much now. 4/26 break points in the Tsitsipas match at AO and he’s a complete disaster on BPS here

Sinner is never going to win anything —he just doesn’t have it.

This happened last year too

It Will keep on happening

You’re going to be really surprised today

Never going to happen—he doesn’t have it. Alcaraz Has already won more than center will win in his career.

 

[TheNachoMan]

he needs to talk to your dad Berdych on how to hold his damn serve!

How do you think Carlos will do in the final?

 

[abmk]

How do you think Carlos will do in the final?

I dunno. have only watched some parts of this Wim, much less than usual after the cramp disaster of RG 2023 semi.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Sinner does not look that powerful at all when he faces someone who feeds him with depth.

 

[maupp]

You have this warped idea that age automatically means a win. It means nothing if the older player is just better than you on every level regardless of age.

It get annoying when posters evaluate players not by their level of play but their age. Basically what he want is for us to completely ignore Djokovic's level of play and pretend he sucks because he's 36. He goes on about it like a broken record as if we don't have eyes to see that Djokovic despite his advanced aged(in terms of sport) is still playing at an elite level and still the best around.

 

[USMC-615]

Jannik Sinner is fantastic, just needs to work on forehand, backhand, slice, movement, first serve, second serve, return game, baseline game, drop shots, intangibles and converting break points.

 

[NoleFam]

It get annoying when posters evaluate players not by their level of play but their age. Basically what he want is for us to completely ignore Djokovic's level of play and pretend he sucks because he's 36. He goes on about it like a broken record as if we don't have eyes to see that Djokovic despite his advanced aged(in terms of sport) is still playing at an elite level and still the best around.

This is what I'm saying and been trying to get him to see but he is stuck into this age narrative. Refuses to actually look at the levels and compare them.

 

[a10best]

Then that just shows that the 20-22 year old's are weak, thanks for proving my point.

I think if Alcaraz is in the same position as Sinner was with a break point and 15-40 lead he'd squander it too to Djokovic. These guys just give away really important points with brain-dead decisions against Novak. Two totally unforced errors by Sinner.

 

[optic yellow]

Some trash in the crowd.

At Wimbledon? The scandal. What is the Queen King doing? A Parliamentary investigation should be launched at once!

 

[roysid]

No, dual citizenship is allowed. Plenty of Brits (mostly celebrities) have dual British and American citizenship. Don't think the US recognises it though.

If two countries agree, they provide dual citizenship provided citizens of one country wish to gain and is eligible for second citizenship. Usually between friendly countries.
Some country like India does not allow dual citizenship, so Indians wanting to take citizenship of USA, UK, Australia etc have to relinquish their indian citizenship

 

[optic yellow]

This is what I'm saying and been trying to get him to see but he is stuck into this age narrative. Refuses to actually look at the levels and compare them.

It's because it's unfair that a 36 year old man can retrieve shots like he does while also being able to whip out the servebotting of prime Federer in times of great need.

 

[Nostradamus]

Thanks for wasting my time,,,, took friday off to watch this Fiasco of semis........ i want my money back for taking time off........ i will send you the Bill.

 

[optic yellow]

lol oops

 

[rh310]

Wow, Djokovic really not pleased with the crowd there.

Understandably.

Djokovic is a prima donna. Will probably wind up as GOAT based on his incredible record, but he's still a prima donna.

 

[tlm]

Best player at 36??????? Come on dude. Fed at 36 had prime Nadal and Djokovic, 45 slams. Who is Djokovic beating?

Exactly it’s a joke how weak the field is now. Ya Ya Joker has the most slams now but he is feasting on this joke field.

 

[World Beater]

sinner hits the ball hard, but his hands dont have much feel and his court craft is below average.
contrast with alcaraz who has power, feel and court craft.

i expected a better fight from sinner, and this was disappointing. sinner needs to regroup else novak will beat him until he is 40.

 

[Chopin]

Sinner is a bum. None of these guys are capable of playing any kind of special tennis. Djokovic just keeps the ball in play and these guys all implode. I mean a geriatric Federer had match points against a better version of Djokovic 4 years ago and these young guns can’t even take a set. It’s ****ing pitiful.

I agree it was a disappointing performance, but honestly, this type of sentiment makes me leary about the quality of discussion on these boards. I'm not even a fan, but it's clear Djokovic is playing some phenomenal tennis. Did you see how he was serving today? There's a little bit more to it than keeping the ball in play ha.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

It's the same recycled narrative after every loss of them to Djokovic. Ttw is also in a mug era.

Take out novak and put on the field a healthy nadal what do you think he does? Lol

 

[ACE of Hearts]

I agree it was a disappointing performance, but honestly, this type of sentiment makes me leary about the quality of discussion on these boards. I'm not even a fan, but it's clear Djokovic is playing some phenomenal tennis. Did you see how he was serving today? There's a little bit more to it than keeping the ball in play ha.

His serve has spotty in the first two sets especially the second set. Sinner had chances to break on secon serves. Dude was lame today.

 

[NoleFam]

Take out novak and put on the field healthy what do you think he does? Lol

Put who on the field healthy?

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Put who on the field healthy?

Nadal

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Put who on the field healthy?

Let’s call it how it is. These nextgeners are hopeless and people are putting their hopes on this young Spaniard.

 

[NoleFam]

Nadal

Obviously not as well. He hasn't been to a Wimbledon final in 12 years and won AO 13 years after his 1st after his rival was out of the draw.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

Obviously not as well. He hasn't been a Wimbledon final in 12 years and won AO 13 years after his 1st after his rival was out of the draw.

Naw he would win wimbledon againsh this field. Are you kidding me? Lol he would breakthrough.

 

[NoleFam]

Naw he would win wimbledon againsh this field. Are you kidding me? Lol he would breakthrough.

So you'd bank on him beating Alcaraz and Hurkacz with his 2022 form? I wouldn't. I don't even think he gets past Hurkacz and he would have had a tougher time with Thompson.

 

[robyrolfo]

Your boy is getting slapped even with all the help.

What does that have to do with you being delusional?

 

[I Am Finnish]

Don't insult Berdych

I loled

 

[I Am Finnish]

Can we please get 1 moment of showboating, 1 iconic finish like the one from last year?

The flying Egg

 

[I Am Finnish]

Djokovic walking away from the point after hitting that lob

 

[Daniel Andrade]

Point is they could lose, right? Despite being in another universe to them.

Everyone loses, that's part of life. But no one wins that much.

 

[Jonesy]

You have this warped idea that age automatically means a win. It means nothing if the older player is just better than you on every level regardless of age.

He is just a salty Fed fan with a clear agenda. No matter what happens he will keep spamming the same trash until the end of times.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

So you'd bank on him beating Alcaraz and Hurkacz with his 2022 form? I wouldn't. I don't even think he gets past Hurkacz and he would have had a tougher time with Thompson.

I would you’re hyping up the field.

 

[NoleFam]

He is just a salty Fed fan with a clear agenda. No matter what happens he will keep spamming the same trash until the end of times.

I regretfully say you have a point.

I would you’re hyping up the field.

I'm definitely not hyping. Did you watch the match with Djokovic and Hurkacz?

 

[ACE of Hearts]

I regretfully say you have a point.

I'm definitely not hyping. Did you watch the match with Djokovic and Hurkacz?

Yes I did. Hurkacz served well. I doubt he will ever serve that well the whole match but his retuned game pretty much sucked.

 

[NoleFam]

Yes I did. Hurkacz served well. I doubt he will ever serve that well the whole match but his retuned game pretty much sucked.

That serve though. That kind of player is very dangerous to Nadal on grass. It's hard to see 2022 Nadal winning that match against that level of serving.

 

[ACE of Hearts]

That serve though. That kind of player is very dangerous to Nadal on grass. It's hard to see 2022 Nadal winning that match against that level of serving.

I think he has a shot for the simple fact that hurkacz is a lousy returner.

 

[NoleFam]

I think he has a shot for the simple fact that hurkacz is a lousy returner.

So was Rosol. He was much worse than Hurkacz and others too like Kyrgios.

 

[maupp]

Haha, I think you and me are the only two people on this forum who think that Med will have a better chance, but I believe it would be more challenging for Djokov game-wise as well, he doesn't need someone who has the patience to counter-punch him to death at this age. Plus, he already has the experience of beating him in the finals.

I'm also of the same thinking and I think even Djokovic would prefer playing Alcaraz over Medvedev.

Despite laying a dud in th semi, there is always and off chance Medvedev get hot in serve and start serving from a three which is what happened at the US Open.

Nole would rather deal with someone who has insane power from his groundstroke than someone who can completely trouble him with insane serving plus good baseline game which is what Medvedev is potentially capable of in any given match.

Alcaraz has a powerful ground game but Djokovic handles that well. Rublev is one power hitter and Nole handled him. Sinner is an even bigger one and Djokovic didn't have much issues with him, especially when his serve is up and down.

Carlos obviously is better than the 2 mentioned but Djokovic would prefer facing him(powerful ground game and consistent on the baseline) than a powerful server which won't be the case with Alcaraz.