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Jess being gracious? When is she not? She’s a nice lady.
What exactly did she say? I missed it.
Just said to remember all the matches Samsonova had had to play and asked the crowd to acknowledge that.
Jess being gracious? When is she not? She’s a nice lady.
What exactly did she say? I missed it.
There are more than a dozen different ways they could have handled the situation better.Do some of you not realize how tournaments work?
"Just move the final to Monday".
Do you not realize that the people who paid $170 for finals tickets on a Sunday did so because it was.. oh yeah a WEEKEND? They can't attend on a Monday because they have jobs and therefore can't attend the final if the tournament decides to change the final to a day later EVEN THOUGH the final can and was still able to be played. So you want the tournament to refund everyone's finals tickets just for Samsonova?
Tournaments also have agreements with broadcasters with set deadlines for when finals should be played, these things can't just be changed to suit one player. Moving the final to a bad timeslot on a Monday instead of a Sunday sure ain't great for the sport.
It sucks for Samsonova but tournaments don't exist without paying fans. The final is the biggest income stream and you guys want them to screw over all the fans and the schedule and the players as well (because Cincinnati is already underway) all because Samsonova had to play twice?
Think about how tournaments work guys.
They could have played it Monday night. Monday night football draws a good crowd of working stiffs.There are more than a dozen different ways they could have handled the situation better.
Yeah just refund every ticket holder who paid for the final tickets on the Sunday when it would have been their weekend. Lose all that income for the tournament! Fantastic idea! And screw over the broadcasters with their timeframes for the final. Impact the scheduling of Cincinnati which will have big matches at the time you guys now want the final to be played so the broadcasters have to decide which match to not show. Oh and screw over the ladies who would then have to play the final Monday night then quickly fly to Cincy to play the next day.They could have played it Monday night. Monday night football draws a good crowd of working stiffs.
Pegs, Ryba, and Sam are not scheduled to play at Cincy Monday. Crappy end to the ladies final.
The final tickets would be good for Monday night. The flight takes about an hour. Hundreds of thousand of dollars are on the line.Yeah just refund every ticket holder who paid for the final tickets on the Sunday when it would have been their weekend. Lose all that income for the tournament! Fantastic idea! And screw over the broadcasters with their timeframes for the final. Impact the scheduling of Cincinnati which will have big matches at the time you guys now want the final to be played so the broadcasters have to decide which match to not show. Oh and screw over the ladies who would then have to play the final Monday night then quickly fly to Cincy to play the next day.
All because you guys are unhappy.
Honestly
Think about what you're suggesting and every impact the stupid suggestion will have.
Why would they be good? The ticket purchasers paid for a Sunday final. It wasn't a case that the final couldn't be played due to rain, it could and was played. If they changed the timing of the final for their own reason, the tournament would have to give refunds. And again, it would massively impact the broadcasters and the tournament and the venue.The final tickets would be good for Monday night. The flight takes about an hour. Hundreds of thousand of dollars are on the line.
Golf has done Monday finishes for weather for decades.
Why so angry?
Do you think this would have been the first tournament that moved a Sunday final to a Monday? I've even seen it happen with some of the slams. And what do you mean why would they be good? Why wouldn't they? They paid to watch the final. The final was moved to the next day. Big deal.Why would they be good? The ticket purchasers paid for a Sunday final. It wasn't a case that the final couldn't be played due to rain, it could and was played. If they changed the timing of the final for their own reason, the tournament would have to give refunds. And again, it would massively impact the broadcasters and the tournament and the venue.
I'm not angry, just surprised at how little people understand running a big sporting event and think you can just change the final to suit yourself.
Why would they move it? The final was able to be played and it was.Do you think this would have been the first tournament that moved a Sunday final to a Monday? I've even seen it happen with some of the slams. And what do you mean why would they be good? Why wouldn't they? They paid to watch the final. The final was moved to the next day. Big deal.
Again, this kind of stuff happens all the time. And like I said, yeah, the people bought tickets for a final on Sunday. Due to weather delays the previous days it had to be moved to Monday night. What's the big deal? If someone can't make it, sorry, that's life. I'm sure the ticket came with guidelines for what happens in situations like this. Maybe they can get a refund, maybe they can't.Why would they move it? The final was able to be played and it was.
Moving it impacts so many elements, none of which you people are referencing. For god sakes, they bought tickets for a final to be played on a Sunday. Do you know what people have on Mondays that they usually don't have on Sundays which would likely prohibit them from going to the final and therefore need refunds for?
WORK.
The ticket holders bought tickets expecting to see an entertaining contest between two worthy opponents, able to perform.Why would they move it? The final was able to be played and it was.
Moving it impacts so many elements, none of which you people are referencing. For god sakes, the ticket holders bought tickets for a final to be played on a Sunday. Do you know what people have on Mondays that they usually don't have on Sundays which would stop them from going to the new final and therefore need refunds for? THEIR JOB.
That's why the tickets won't be good. Because they can't go so the tournament would have to lose their biggest revenue stream for no reason at all.
You're being naïve saying just move the final without even acknowledging the ramifications it has on the tournament and spectators. You don't just magically move the final.
Maybe to you it's magic but not everyone is baffled by the "coin from the ear" trick. Just because you think it takes magic to do something as relatively simple as this doesn't mean it can't be done, and relatively easily too.Why would they move it? The final was able to be played and it was.
Moving it impacts so many elements, none of which you people are referencing. For goodness sake, the ticket holders bought tickets for a final to be played on a Sunday. Do you know what people have on Mondays that they usually don't have on Sundays which would stop them from going to the new final and therefore need refunds for? THEIR JOB.
That's why the tickets won't be good. Because they can't go so the tournament would have to lose their biggest revenue stream for no reason at all.
You're being naïve saying just move the final without even acknowledging the ramifications it has on the tournament and spectators. You don't just magically move the final.
Bingo!Again, this kind of stuff happens all the time. And like I said, yeah, the people bought tickets for a final on Sunday. Due to weather delays the previous days it had to be moved to Monday night. What's the big deal? If someone can't make it, sorry, that's life. I'm sure the ticket came with guidelines for what happens in situations like this. Maybe they can get a refund, maybe they can't.
BTW, people also paid to watch what is supposed to be a competitive match, not a match between a freshly rested player and one who just played 3 sets and got no rest in between. I'd say the people who paid for this match got ripped off much more than if the match would have been moved to the next night.
It happens all the time? It happens when the rain is still there and the match literally can't be played. This isn't the case. It's not due to weather delays. The final was able to go ahead. And it did.Again, this kind of stuff happens all the time. And like I said, yeah, the people bought tickets for a final on Sunday. Due to weather delays the previous days it had to be moved to Monday night. What's the big deal? If someone can't make it, sorry, that's life. I'm sure the ticket came with guidelines for what happens in situations like this. Maybe they can get a refund, maybe they can't.
BTW, people also paid to watch what is supposed to be a competitive match, not a match between a freshly rested player and one who just played 3 sets and got no rest in between. I'd say the people who paid for this match got ripped off much more than if the match would have been moved to the next night.
Um did you forget the whole reason that you're complaining about this situation? That juicy SF between Rybakina and Samsonova which was being played a day late? Yeah, the ticket holders for the final got to watch that which was a bonus for them. They weren't screwed overBingo!
It's not for no reason, it's to consider the health and well-being of one of the competitors and to provide people the competitive match they paid to see. Instead they got ripped off and saw a match between a freshly rested player and a zombie. So yeah, they got ripped off.It happens all the time? It happens when the rain is still there and the match literally can't be played. This isn't the case. It's not due to weather delays. The final was able to go ahead. And it did.
What's the big deal? You're changing the final for no reason. It was able to go ahead. You're now screwing over the hundreds to thousands of people who could have watched the final. All because of you're own reasons and showing no understanding of how events work.
Oh and the fans got to watch the bonus competitive SF as well as the final. So no, they weren't ripped off either.
Learn how events work, especially regarding ticket refunds.Maybe to you it's magic but not everyone is baffled by the "coin from the ear" trick. Just because you think it takes magic to do something as relatively simple as this doesn't mean it can't be done, and relatively easily too.
They paid to watch a competitive final, or at least one in which one of the players wasn't forced to play two matches in a row on the same day and came out unable to perform. Giving them a semifinal as a consolation prize is hardly equitable.Um did you forget the whole reason that you're complaining about this situation? That juicy SF between Rybakina and Samsonova which was being played a day late? Yeah, the ticket holders for the final got to watch that which was a bonus for them. They weren't screwed over![]()
No my dear friend Darcy!Um did you forget the whole reason that you're complaining about this situation? That juicy SF between Rybakina and Samsonova which was being played a day late? Yeah, the ticket holders for the final got to watch that which was a bonus for them. They weren't screwed over![]()
I've seen more matches rescheduled than I've seen a player forced to play two matches on the same day. The exception being a player who plays in both the singles and doubles draws.Learn how events work, especially regarding ticket refunds.
You're being incredibly naive to think it's just easy for tournaments to give up their major revenue source and give ticket holders refunds all because one player had to play two matches in the same day which has happened for as long as tennis has existed.
As I just pointed out to Darcy, they did NOT get a bonus semi-final. That was for separate ticket holders.They paid to watch a competitive final, or at least one in which one of the players wasn't forced to play two matches in a row on the same day and came out unable to perform. Giving them a semifinal as a consolation prize is hardly equitable.
Good point. So today's ticket holders for the final really did get screwed!As I just pointed out to Darcy, they did NOT get a bonus semi-final. That was for separate ticket holders.
Gates opened for the Finals ticket holders before the semifinal started giving them access to the SF. Unless you can point to me where it says that the Finals ticket holders DON'T have access to the SF? In which case i'll concede.No my dear friend Darcy!
You failed to do your homework.
Go back to the tournament site and learn about the tickets for today (semi and the final).
That's what you would want. That's not what happens however and it is also why it is not what happened. which is my whole argument.If I were a ticket fan for that final, I'd rather have the minor inconvience of a Monday final ... or my money back. Watching a 6-1, 6-0 beat down is not entertainment.
Either way, they got ripped off. They paid for a fair final. If they got to see the semi, it's still a consolation prize. If they didn't get to see the semi, they didn't even got a consolation prize.Gates opened for the Finals ticket holders before the semifinal started giving them access to the SF. Unless you can point to me where it says that the Finals ticket holders DON'T have access to the SF? In which case i'll concede.
This Darcy guy loves to argue - he must be Italian.Good point. So today's ticket holders for the final really did get screwed!
It happensThat's what you would want. That's not what happens however and it is also why it is not what happened. which is my whole argument.
It is not magic for a tournament to just move the final like these people keep arguing. You can't just give up your main revenue stream and give everyone refunds simply because a player has to play twice.
This is how capitalism works.
Read the fine print carefully Darcy.Gates opened for the Finals ticket holders before the semifinal started giving them access to the SF. Unless you can point to me where it says that the Finals ticket holders DON'T have access to the SF? In which case i'll concede.
And yet it didn't happen today, because it doesn't happen all the time. When it does happen is when it's rained out, which it wasn't today so it had no reason to be rescheduled.It happens
all
the
time.
Good thing you're not a tournament organizer.
Nobody paid for a ticket for a Sunday SF Mark. They paid for SF tickets for Saturday. Now the assumption is that the ticket holders who attended on Saturday would then also get entry on Sunday which i'm very sure would have happened. However, many of those people would not come to the event the next day since they bought a one day ticket not knowing it turn into two and would disrupt their weekends like this. As someone who has worked many of these tennis tournaments, the carry over is usually there for those with finals tickets who arrive early because of all the empty seats for the SF that would be associated with the delay. And no tournament likes the looks of empty seats especially if paying fans are stuck outside for no reason. Therefore they would be given entry into the stadium for the SF.Read the fine print carefully Darcy.
You pay for separate tickets for the separate matches. It has nothing to do with gaining entry onto the grounds.
Logic doesn't seem to be one of your strong points. "It didn't happen today therefore it doesn't happen all the time" is not a logical statement. I did not say it happens EVERY tournament, I'm simply saying it's not uncommon and does happen often enough that people (except you) don't really consider it to be a life-altering thing when it does happen.And yet it didn't happen today, because it doesn't happen all the time. When it does happen is when it's rained out, which it wasn't today so it had no reason to be rescheduled.
Thank god you're not an organizer because you would have cost the tournament so much money for no reason with all the refunds and jeopardized it's future.
I have come to the sad conclusion that you just like to argue for fun.Nobody paid for a ticket for a Sunday SF Mark. They paid for SF tickets for Saturday. Now the assumption is that the ticket holders who attended on Saturday would then also get entry on Sunday which i'm very sure would have happened. However, many of those people would not come to the event the next day since they bought a one day ticket not knowing it turn into two and would disrupt their weekends like this. As someone who has worked many of these tennis tournaments, the carry over is usually there for those with finals tickets who arrive early because of all the empty seats for the SF that would be associated with the delay. And no tournament likes the looks of empty seats especially if paying fans are stuck outside for no reason. Therefore they would be given entry into the stadium for the SF.
It is uncommon, in fact I would say a final would almost never be moved to a new date for no reason at all when the final perfectly could go ahead as scheduled. Which is what happened here.Logic doesn't seem to be one of your strong points. "It didn't happen today therefore it doesn't happen all the time" is not a logical statement. I did not say it happens EVERY tournament, I'm simply saying it's not uncommon and does happen often enough that people (except you) don't really consider it to be a life-altering thing when it does happen.
They would have been treated to both matches. You actually think the tournament locked out the people with finals tickets from the SF match?I have come to the sad conclusion that you just like to argue for fun.
You said the people entering the stadium today (Sunday) would be treated to two matches.
That was NOT true!
PERIOD.
END OF STORY.
It would not have been for no reason at all. No one wanted to watch a 6-1 6-0 disaster caused by an earlier weather delay. Maybe you like to pay your hard earned money to watch an unfair and very crappy match but most tennis fans don't.It is uncommon, in fact I would say a final would almost never be moved to a new date for no reason at all when the final perfectly could go ahead as scheduled. Which is what happened here.
It did not get rained out today in Montreal. There was no need to reschedule. You would be asking for an unprecedented moving of a final which would impact so many stakeholders, for no reason at all. Finals being moved because of rain washing it out where players literally can't play, that happens often. A final being moved for no reason? That never happens. I wouldn't say it's life altering but it would be highly unusual and stupid since everyone was able to safely play.
I apologize if I am getting angry but I am getting incredibly sick of having to explain to you the INSANE notion that a tournament would give up their biggest revenue stream and give everyone refunds and change the date for no reason. Do you seriously not understand this?It would not have been for no reason at all. No one wanted to watch a 6-1 6-0 disaster caused by an earlier weather delay. Maybe you like to pay your hard earned money to watch an unfair and very crappy match but most tennis fans don't.
a crappy match. Pegula should give the tournament half of her prize money back, because it was a gift.I apologize if I am getting angry but I am getting incredibly sick of having to explain to you the INSANE notion that a tournament would give up their biggest revenue stream and give everyone refunds and change the date for no reason. Do you seriously not understand this?
I'm not talking about a 6-1 6-0 disaster. Not talking about hard earned money. They got what they paid for. The final on a Sunday. If the day was rained out, the tournament would have to reschedule and give refunds and they would have insurance that would cover it because it is "an act of god" - a weather washout. Changing the final when it was able to be played would not cover them. They would lose so much money and jeopardize their future. Understand?
Again, i'm guessing you haven't worked in the event world and these tournaments and understood how insanely hard changing schedules is let alone for a final and then doing it for no reason. It would jeopardize so much and impact so many stakeholders. And again, it was for no reason. They were able to play.
Well her parents are actual billionaires so i'm sure she wouldn't care.a crappy match. Pegula should give the tournament half of her prize money back, because it was a gift.
That's perfectly fine.I don't always agree with @Aussie Darcy but I do when he is right. And he is 100% right. The only people that would benefit from having the final rescheduled to Monday are the ones that wanted to watch a good match on TV.
- First, there are rules about rescheduling. Having a tennis player play two matches back to back with suitable rest is perfectly fine, expected, and per WTA rules.
- Second, people that had tickets for Sunday finals most surely do _not_ want to have it rescheduled for Monday. It is naïve to think that thousands of folks can just come to the stadium on Monday even thought they were all planning to be there on Sunday. Clearly none of the fans that traveled, and most likely not even many of those that are local.
- Third, it is easy to see _now_ that one of the players had nothing left. But even after she finished semi, and it was known that she would need to play soon again, some posters believed that she would do just fine. See https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/2023-wta-montreal-open.755117/post-17567725 And it was a perfectly possible outcome.
- Fourth, why would Pegula wanted to be inconvenienced by playing on Monday? How would that be fair to her? She has another tournament to play in.
- and this is not even mentioning obvious monetary reasons why the organizers would not reschedule the match to Monday if it can be played on Sunday.
in short, this is a non issue. It is unfortunately that the match quality was not that great. So? Sometimes it happens. Even with well rested players. It is what it is.
What broadcasting impact are you talking about? TC shows old tennis ALL THE TIME when they aren’t showing pball. You are making a relevant point in that the machinations of a big (although I wouldn’t call Montreal big) tournament requires a lot of thought. But I feel like the other point being made here is that it doesn’t seem like the organizers did anything but kick the can down the road without planning to avoid exactly what happened yesterday. And a PROFESSIONAL tennis player was put in an untenable position and it cost her MONEY. I can’t imagine the hand wringing on here if that happened to a certain male player…Why would they be good? The ticket purchasers paid for a Sunday final. It wasn't a case that the final couldn't be played due to rain, it could and was played. If they changed the timing of the final for their own reason, the tournament would have to give refunds. And again, it would massively impact the broadcasters and the tournament and the venue.
I'm not angry, just surprised at how little people understand running a big sporting event and think you can just change the final to suit yourself.
I wonder if you were able to notice what almost all of my faves have in common?In no particular order
Very good!With 2 exceptions they are Europeans, mainly Eastern Europeans
Most of them have last name ending with with -vaVery good!
Keep going, there's more.![]()
Well that would be 7/24, so it wouldn't be most.Most of them have last name ending with with -va