2023 YEC Final: Novak Djokovic vs. Jannik Sinner

2023 YEC Champion?


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Mazz Retic

Hall of Fame
What a dream year for Novak. Happy for him and his team. Hopefully stays fit and healthy in the new year. Also hope he is able to continue have competitive matches with the new gen, I am optimistic.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
I wasn't there today, mercifully. Both sessions Thursday then some sightseeing Friday. I've always been opposed to paying a ton for one match, but it was definitely a cool setup, I must say. And my son had a blast (he even tried pickleball at the fan village!).

Breaking news: it appears the Finals will be in Turin at least until 2027.
Sarebbe fantastico se le ATP Finals si giocassero a Torino ancora per qualche anno.
Il peccatore avrebbe maggiori possibilità di essere un profeta nella sua terra.
:)
 

BlueB

Legend
"Idemo Breee!" in Cyrillics, on camera, legend!
Amazing last 2 matches by Nole.

Great effort by Sinner this week, he's a man of high integrity. I doubted all the hype that followed him last few years, but now I'm convinced he'll be great.
 

paolo2143

Hall of Fame
One day someone will beat those figures but I expect it may not be for at least 25 or 30 yrs unless Alcaraz can really hit top gear and stay there and that is not guaranteed by any means
 

TheAssassin

G.O.A.T.
Since these are pig times as part of TW community showed again, I guess Jannik should get some sort of integrity award for not backing down against Rune. For the same reason, I fully believe the boy will earn much bigger rewards in the future than this ATP Finals event ever would have been. Best of luck to him. My favorite among the NextNextGen without a doubt.

Now, on a less serious note...
What a contest. Match of the year probably. And much more fitting that this level of performance is the one that ended Djokovic's winning streak rather than some random match where he didn't want to bother.

Djokovic's occasional suicidal SnVs aside, some of Sinner's returns were crazy regardless. And a sight to behold how effortlessly he was generating power, even when hitting on the rise all those times. Hope he teaches Rune and Carlos many lessons going forward. Definitely earned my support for the future alongside Mad Lad, if Djokovic ever decides to retire at some point.

As far as this week is concerned though, fancy a rematch, kid? Sunday evening, same place. Be there...
Congrats kid. You completed.. The tutorial. To try the higher stakes thing again, click "Participate" next to the Australian Open section.

And finally, good night Torino! Sleep well!

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Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
One day someone will beat those figures but I expect it may not be for at least 25 or 30 yrs unless Alcaraz can really hit top gear and stay there and that is not guaranteed by any means

He's not Djokovic-level though. He's beatable by a handful of players that will still be on the tour when Djokovic is truely gone. Zverev/Tsitsipas/Medvedev will still be there, Sinner and Rune are still going to be there. He's good but not that good. Nah I think Novak's stats will remain for a long long time, if not forever.
 
Sarebbe fantastico se le ATP Finals si giocassero a Torino ancora per qualche anno.
Il peccatore avrebbe maggiori possibilità di essere un profeta nella sua terra.
:)
Also, my kid was stoked that he can play in the Road to Torino junior circuit, where the winners of a number of regional Under-11 and Under-13 tournaments get to play a parallel mini-master in Turin while the real thing is happening (as well as go to the matches, meet some players etc). He isn't eligible to compete until exactly 2027...
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
Sinner was tight and running a bit on fumes. Djokovic served and followed up godly from the get go. We won't see that kind of first set level against Sinner soon, I'm pretty sure about that. Actually maybe Novak will never do that again to Sinner as there is no other place with such a combo of altitude and slickness.

Congrats to him for the title, lucky and earned. He might have spurned Sinner on to greater heights...
 
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mike danny

Bionic Poster
Come on, Sinner and Alcaraz will become ATGs. Maybe Rune as well. I admit that even ATG (5 or 6 Slams) isn't a high standard compared to the big 3 anymore, but that's another discussion.

Anyway, I would't be surprised if Alcaraz and Sinner will become REALLY great players. Just not as great as Djokovic.
As of now they are not on that level yet. Certainly not Sinner
 

Rovesciarete

Hall of Fame
Djokovic has become pretty Roger at serving. Turin is the perfect venue for him. Australia is great too but different.

Time changes, even if sometimes it seems to remain still.
 

ppma

Professional
He's not Djokovic-level though. He's beatable by a handful of players that will still be on the tour when Djokovic is truely gone. Zverev/Tsitsipas/Medvedev will still be there, Sinner and Rune are still going to be there. He's good but not that good. Nah I think Novak's stats will remain for a long long time, if not forever.
Some might even retire sooner than him. It's happened with previous ATG candidates like Nishikori or Raonic.
I see this very clearly now, Djo playing and winning titles beyond 40.
 

RG GOD

Semi-Pro
Well at least the butthurt Rafans are butthurting like crazy... there's always a silver lining!

That, and 300 bucks to go drink away my sorrows :)

Feel bad that Sinner played so horribly and couldn't even make a match of it when he had his chances - which he did.

But congratulations to the one true goat of tennis. The highlander lives on.

Congratulations for the title, italian friend :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
It looks you are as smart as the carrot boy :-D:-D:-D:-D:-D
 
Breaking news: it appears the Finals will be in Turin at least until 2027.
Here is the story, not yet official but leaked as a done deal by Sky Italy. Apparently they get 2 extra years as a "compensation" for the revenue loss of the Covid-plagued editions. Which, by the way, means there's pretty much no chance they renew for another full 5+year cycle, and the event will be played elsewhere starting in 2028.

 

RG GOD

Semi-Pro
Here is the story, not yet official but leaked as a done deal by Sky Italy. Apparently they get 2 extra years as a "compensation" for the revenue loss of the Covid-plagued editions. Which, by the way, means there's pretty much no chance they renew for another full 5+year cycle, and the event will be played elsewhere starting in 2028.



:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Would you have hated Sinner if he intentionally lost to Holger in the round robin to eliminate Djokovic so he has no shot at the winning this tournament ?? He could have done that if he was smart....


 

Zetty

Hall of Fame
Completely insane. As long as he's healthy, Djokovic can't be stopped. A physical decline is the only way we're gonna see him supplanted because his strokes, game management, and ability to pivot in a match are master level from years of battles. When will this dude decline for Christ's sake?
 
He's not Djokovic-level though. He's beatable by a handful of players that will still be on the tour when Djokovic is truely gone. Zverev/Tsitsipas/Medvedev will still be there, Sinner and Rune are still going to be there. He's good but not that good. Nah I think Novak's stats will remain for a long long time, if not forever.
We just don’t know yet. Nadal on hard court at that age was very beatable, not to mention how much djokovic has improved. You also do not need to be good at indoors at all to be a tier 1 ATG as we see with Nadal. Alcaraz’s serve is improving as we see this week outserving or matching all the great servers he faced this week (unreturned serve percentages also aced djokovic a lot in a short match) despite not playing well at all, which is actually a good sign in some sense.
 

JJGUY

Hall of Fame
It's 200 points for win in RR vs the 500 points win in final. And the big achievement of winning year end masters. Why put all of this to risk
Risk? You mean the risk to lose to Alcaraz in the semi, I can see that totally happen if Sinner lost to Rune, he won't even be in the final!
 

Eureka

Professional
Jannik is a hugely talented kid, and given how he has improved of late, ought to achieve much more success looking forward. However, his performance today was disappointing. He is deemed a very good indoor fast court player, and showed it in his earlier encounters. In the final, he was a shadow of himself. I hope he'll take heart in his improvement and achievements this year.

As for Novak - just outstanding at so many levels, not least this superb form at his age, and continued domination of the field. Watching him out-manoeuvre yet another opponent, and dictate terms with such ease was fascinating. Congratulations to Novak for achieving yet more glory.
 

robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
Sinner was tight and running a bit on fumes. Djokovic served and followed up godly from the get go. We won't see that kind of first set level against Sinner soon, I'm pretty sure about that. Actually maybe Novak will never do that again to Sinner as there is no other place with such a combo of altitude and slickness.

Congrats to him for the title, lucky and earned. He might have spurned Sinner on to greater heights...
Good summation. Sinner simply didn’t look like himself, and I have to think it was nerves. I haven’t seen a sports story dominate the Italian media and consciousness to this level in a long time. Even the Lazio radio station has been talking more about him than Lazio the past couple of days, plus the match on RAI 1 basically means the entire country was watching. I’m confident this will only push him to improve even more.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
Lightning doesn't strike twice for Jannik this time. He can take a lot of positives away from this year, but he needs to be stealthier if he is going to try wolves as a fox.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
Would you have hated Sinner if he intentionally lost to Holger in the round robin to eliminate Djokovic so he has no shot at the winning this tournament ?? He could have done that if he was smart....



I would have. He is the consummate professional. Winning the title by losing is not his style, even if he is a sneaky fox.
 

sortof

Professional
Couldn´t watch the final and was initially slightly grumpy about it (my girlfriend had other ideas on how to spend this sunday evening) but now I`m glad I didn´t. Watching my fav Sinner going down like this would have been unbearable.
 

Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
Djokovic deserved to win the title. Sad state of affairs where the two top young guys in their prime can’t even take a set off an old Djokovic. The quality of tennis is brutal these days. It reminds me of how bad heavyweight boxing is these days.
 

roysid

Legend
Imagine he did tank and then Rune beats him in the final. Not only the same outcome but far worse since he'd get less money, fewer points, a terrible Rune H2H, and lose his momentum.
Can happen. But which is more likelier, Rune reaching the final and beating Sinner or Djokovic beating him the finals.
Comparing Rune with a guy who won 24 grand slams and 3 this year only is a joke.
 

roysid

Legend
Risk? You mean the risk to lose to Alcaraz in the semi, I can see that totally happen if Sinner lost to Rune, he won't even be in the final!
No I mean risk winning the tournament. Yes he could have lost to Alcaraz. But he could have won also. The moment Djokovic was put into semis, it was all over
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
Can happen. But which is more likelier, Rune reaching the final and beating Sinner or Djokovic beating him the finals.
Comparing Rune with a guy who won 24 grand slams and 3 this year only is a joke.

But still, it would do nothing for his confidence. Besides, with all his unforced errors, he probably would have lost to anyone.
 

roysid

Legend
But still, it would do nothing for his confidence. Besides, with all his unforced errors, he probably would have lost to anyone.
Well u can say u he(Sinner) would be less confident for Australian open that's all.
One has to be ruthless to win these big tournaments. Sinner lacks that, plain and simple. He is high on morality but that doesn't help anyone
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
Well u can say u he(Sinner) would be less confident for Australian open that's all.
One has to be ruthless to win these big tournaments. Sinner lacks that, plain and simple. He is high on morality but that doesn't help anyone

Wrong, wrong wrong. Sinner has a killer instinct, plain and simple. Just wait and see.
 
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