2023 YEC SF: (3.) Medvedev vs (4.) Sinner

[Mainad]

His first serve has already improved. It’s the legs that has prevented it from being consistent in grueling matches

He needs to bulk up a bit in his lower body IMO.

 

[dking68]

He needs to bulk up a bit in his lower body IMO.

For sure. I think he’ll achieve the number one ranking at a similar age to Djokovic around 23/24

 

[Eureka]

Holy crap. Unreal stuff from Sinner in that third set. He’s gonna take some beating in the final.

Indeed so. Jannik has been outstanding from the start. As he rides the crest of the wave, his confidence soaring, he has treated us to a superb display of his skills, executed with panache.

I'm really looking forward to the the second SF, and the F - if all involved can play well, it will be a magnificent ending to the year.

 

[Mainad]

That was a really entertaining encounter and the final scoreline belies the closeness of the points and the extremely fine margins between them. It didn't do Medvedev justice.

Sinner's incredible clutchness on serve is what got him through. He never lost serve all match.

 

[nolefam_2024]

That was a really entertaining encounter and the final scoreline belies the closeness of the points and the extremely fine margins between them. It didn't do Medvedev justice.

Sinner's incredible clutchness on serve is what got him through. He never lost serve all match.

Sinner has won 3 close matches

It's now Over for Medvedev. He let this rivalry go

 

[DSH]

Sinner has won 3 close matches

It's now Over for Medvedev. He let this rivalry go

What is Sinner's record with the current members of the top 10?

 

[Mainad]

Sinner has won 3 close matches

It's now Over for Medvedev. He let this rivalry go

H2H is still 6-3 to Medvedev but you are correct that he needs to be very wary of Sinner from here on in (if he wasn't already) and maybe change up his tactics a little against him when he is that clutch on serve and hitting such good groundies.

 

[NoleFam]

Potentially? He already has a higher career win percentage at 72% at age 22. Medvedev 71% at age 27. Sinner is definitely going to win over 78% of his matches when he retires

In Slams, it's 73.7% (Medvedev) vs 70.4% (Sinner). He has a ways to go to catch Medvedvev who has made 5 Slam finals whereas he hasn't made any yet.

 

[Vincent-C]

@Rovesciarete still don’t see Sinner reaching #2 in the rankings next year? Especially if Alcaraz fails to defend his Wimbledon title?

Alky's not defending Wimbledon.

 

[ALCARAZWON]

Djokovic can't be stopped

IMO

Djokovic has to play Alcaraz.

 

[Vincent-C]

He needs to bulk up a bit in his lower body IMO.

Squats and deadlifts, but just for a little while.

 

[dking68]

In Slams, it's 73.7% (Medvedev) vs 70.4% (Sinner). He has a ways to go to catch Medvedvev who has made 5 Slam finals whereas he hasn't made any yet.

Sinner is 5 years younger and yet to enter his prime and I’m sure he’ll achieve more at age 27 than Medvedev has

 

[ALCARAZWON]

He's going to face Djokovic with the entire weight of his country behind him...and he's gonna get smoked. He will regret not tanking the Rune match.

That said, what an amazing performance. I don't like Medvedev at all, so this was fun to see.

And Sinner has already shown his best, while Alcaraz has more in the tank.

 

[Mainad]

What is Sinner's record with the current members of the top 10?

Djokovic: 1-3
Alcaraz 4-3
Medvedev 3-6
Rublev 4-2
Tsitsipas 3-5
Zverev 1-4
Rune 1-2
Hurkacz 2-2
Fritz 1-1

Total: 20-28

 

[dking68]

Djokovic: 1-3
Alcaraz 4-2
Medvedev 3-6
Rublev 3-2
Tsitsipas 2-4
Zverev 1-4
Rune 1-2
Hurkacz 2-2
Fritz 2-1

Total: 19-26

That’s actually not bad

 

[tudwell]

Indeed so. Jannik has been outstanding from the start. As he rides the crest of the wave, his confidence soaring, he has treated us to a superb display of his skills, executed with panache.

I'm really looking forward to the the second SF, and the F - if all involved can play well, it will be a magnificent ending to the year.

Yeah could easily be the best edition of this tournament in years if the last two matches deliver.

Sinner’s looking very Novak-like from the baseline. Amazing hitting on the stretch. So much consistent depth that almost always resets the point – or even takes the initiative outright. He’s obviously not the same level of mover as Djokovic, but when he does get to the ball, his hitting is ridiculous right now. And of course he’s superb in neutral or offensive positions, and on the return. Just all-around masterful ball-striking.

 

[NoleFam]

Sinner is 5 years younger and yet to enter his prime and I’m sure he’ll achieve more at age 27 than Medvedev has

Potentially though. Meaning he can but hasn't done it yet. Let's wait and see what he achieves.

 

[dking68]

Djokovic: 1-3
Alcaraz 4-2
Medvedev 3-6
Rublev 3-2
Tsitsipas 2-4
Zverev 1-4
Rune 1-2
Hurkacz 2-2
Fritz 2-1

Total: 19-26

4-2 with Rublev btw 3-5 with Tsitsipas. 4-3 with Alcaraz

 

[NoleFam]

Djokovic: 1-3
Alcaraz 4-2
Medvedev 3-6
Rublev 3-2
Tsitsipas 2-4
Zverev 1-4
Rune 1-2
Hurkacz 2-2
Fritz 2-1

Total: 19-26

Alcaraz 4-3

 

[dking68]

Alcaraz 4-3

Just go on Wikipedia

 

[dking68]

@Mainad Sinner really and truly is 4-0 against Rublev but the 2 losses were both retirements. Rublev has never been able to beat a fit Sinner

 

[NoleFam]

Just go on Wikipedia

I use the ATP site or UTS for all my h2h stuff. Lol. I actually knew that one though without checking.

 

[Mainad]

That’s actually not bad

4-2 with Rublev btw 3-5 with Tsitsipas. 4-3 with Alcaraz

Oops, my H2H s are a little out of date. Have now amended them to what they should be. My apologies!

 

[Mainad]

@Mainad Sinner really and truly is 4-0 against Rublev but the 2 losses were both retirements. Rublev has never been able to beat a fit Sinner

Sure but they still count in the official H2H. Only withdrawals ahead of the match don't count.

 

[dking68]

Sure but they still count in the official H2H. Only withdrawals ahead of the match don't count.

Truly but he’s a terrible matchup for Rublev. Generates more power, has a better serve and is more consistent from the baseline. Better forehand and backhand

 

[Mainad]

Truly but he’s a terrible matchup for Rublev. Generates more power, has a better serve and is more consistent from the baseline. Better forehand and backhand

Most of the top 10 seem to be a bad match-up for Rublev.

 

[dking68]

Most of the top 10 seem to be a bad match-up for Rublev.

I watched a match with Sinner and Rublev in the round of 16 of Roland Garros in 2022, before Sinner retired midway through the match. He was getting crushed by Sinner. Sinner made every return of his first serve and was blasting winners after winners on the Parisian clay and won the first set 6-1. Rublev was overwhelmed. Trrrible matchup

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

Sinner top ten wins in a row now looks like this

Alcaraz, Medvedev, Rublev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Djokovic, Rune, Medvdedev

 

[dking68]

Will he pass out the tiny one in the rankings in 2024 if tiny fails to defend his Wimbledon crown?

 

[Winners or Errors]

Just got off a plane and watched the highlights. Breadstick... nice.

 

[StrongRule]

Sinner will lose 6-0 6-3 to Djokovic in the final. Just watch.

 

[dking68]

Sinner will lose 6-0 6-3 to Djokovic in the final. Just watch.

Keep doubting Sinner

 

[StrongRule]

Keep doubting Sinner

Ok, I admit he might win 4-5 games instead of 3, if lucky. But that's it.

 

[ALCARAZWON]

Will he pass out the tiny one in the rankings in 2024 if tiny fails to defend his Wimbledon crown?

Its only going to get harder to beat Alcaraz at Wimbledon, not even close to his prime yet....
Too bad Djokovic took so long to win Wimbledon.

 

[krmr]

Djokovic: 1-3
Alcaraz 4-3
Medvedev 3-6
Rublev 4-2
Tsitsipas 3-5
Zverev 1-4
Rune 1-2
Hurkacz 2-2
Fritz 1-1

Total: 20-28

H2Hs in 2023

Djokovic 1-1
Alcaraz 2-1
Medvedev 3-2
Rublev 2-0
Tsitsipas 2-1
Zverev 0-1
Rune 1-1
Hurkacz 1-0
Fritz 1-0

Total: 13-7

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Weaksauce from Mugdev in the third set, plenty of UEs. Sinner didn't even improve much. Some nice backhanding though.

 

[Rosstour]

Djokovic has to play Alcaraz.

And Sinner has already shown his best, while Alcaraz has more in the tank.

I hope you're right. I like Alcaraz, don't like Djokovic. But Alcaraz doesn't look unstoppable anymore and Djokovic pretty much has.

 

[Wesling]

Its only going to get harder to beat Alcaraz at Wimbledon, not even close to his prime yet....
Too bad Djokovic took so long to win Wimbledon.

the same way it will be harder and harder to beat him at US open? he got sent packing by octopus a few months ago

 

[AM75]

I love how people get excited about Sinner. Zverev has won the ATP finals with 21 in 2018 (Sinner is 22 now, right?) Not much happened to Zverev since then (the injury aside).

 

[dking68]

I love how people get excited about Sinner. Zverev has won the ATP finals with 21 in 2018 (Sinner is 22 now, right?) Not much happened to Zverev since then (the injury aside).

Sinner is over 80% win rate this season, Zverev has never achieved that in his career

 

[Rosstour]

Djokovic has to play Alcaraz.

I hope you're right. I like Alcaraz, don't like Djokovic. But Alcaraz doesn't look unstoppable anymore and Djokovic pretty much has.

So how did this turn out? What a djoke

 

[AM75]

Sinner is over 80% win rate this season, Zverev has never achieved that in his career

It's 73 % win rate for Sasha in 2018 vs 81 % win rate. The difference is not that big.

 

[Hera]

Well done Sinman. Med selecting his semis opponent didn’t yield the result he hoped for haha good riddance

 

[dking68]

It's 73 % win rate for Sasha in 2018 vs 81 % win rate. The difference is not that big.

That’s a big difference

 

[AM75]

That’s a big difference

Just couple of matches.

 

[dking68]

Just couple of matches.

His game was more advanced at this age. More mentally mature and he will be a lot better 23 year old than Zverev ever was

 

[Rovesciarete]

@Rovesciarete still don’t see Sinner reaching #2 in the rankings next year? Especially if Alcaraz fails to defend his Wimbledon title?

A lot will depend on this final and the Australian Open and the European clay swing. Daniil and Charlie have far less points to lose down under than Sinner. I actually hoped for a good 2022 clay season but all in all it was meh. While it started well in Monaco and it ended terribly in RG, so there are many points to gain against the other top guys.

People have to keep in mind that the top3 did overall all very well at least two thirds of the season with Novak excelling all year. Number 3 seems quite feasible with a deep in RG.

 

[Rovesciarete]

Most of the top 10 seem to be a bad match-up for Rublev.

Both redheads are doing almost all well and are reliable. I would argue both over-perform against weaker players and under-perform against stronger ones. The Daniil Zverev type of serve-pusher is an especially bad matchup for them.

I pointed out the logical conclusion of an improved Sinner a long time ago - very tough to beat for practically anybody. He has the potential to be a tyrant.

 

[Rosstour]

He's going to face Djokovic with the entire weight of his country behind him...and he's gonna get smoked. He will regret not tanking the Rune match.

That said, what an amazing performance. I don't like Medvedev at all, so this was fun to see.

@Kralingen I should have bet lol

 

[Kralingen]

@Kralingen I should have bet lol

I really was feeling this too. Just back him for a big bet at 1.62. Just didn’t want to believe it…