FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
Until you play post-season competition , it's almost like there are 2 different USTA worlds.
2023 Yonex VCore Pro Racquets / 2024 Percept Racquets
- Thread starter Trip
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Good stuff; thanks for sharing your thoughts. Looks like the 100 has 8 mains in the throat; that true? I'd expect it with the 100D with the tighter pattern, but perhaps that extra center main in the 100 might provide a smidge more control on some shots.
The 3 I tried: 100, 100D & 97 all had 8 mains in the throat. All had great control. D is slight less spin but more consistent stringbed.
When looking at the string density/placement between the 100 & 100D in the area where I intend to make contact with the ball the 100D has 8 mains x 11 crosses & the 100 having 8 mains x 10 crosses. So despite the D having 2 more mains, the mains in the middle of the patterns are spaced similarly. The real string density in the 100D occurs by having the 16 crosses tighter together & the additional mains stabilise the left/right area just off center hits. In the 16x19 100 the highest/lowest cross is closer to the frame.
I appreciate reading everyone else’s experience as it helps me as I try to replace my VC98. I love the vc98 spin, but have a hard time flattening it out. I have to hit every shot/serve w some spin & pick bigger targets or risk hitting it out.
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SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
Please list out all comparisons you want made for the Percepts this is what I have now:
P100 vs speed MP vs Gravity MP
P100D vs Speed Pro vs Prestige MP vs Gravity Tour
P97 vs VC95 vs EZ98 vs Rad Pro
P97H vs VCP97H
P97D vs VCP97D vs Prestige Pro vs Current setup vs Ultra Pro 18M
P100 vs speed MP vs Gravity MP
P100D vs Speed Pro vs Prestige MP vs Gravity Tour
P97 vs VC95 vs EZ98 vs Rad Pro
P97H vs VCP97H
P97D vs VCP97D vs Prestige Pro vs Current setup vs Ultra Pro 18M
naturalexponent
Legend
All Percepts vs. one another.
All P97 versions vs. VC95 (2023)
DanTheMan1972
Rookie
100/100D vs Vcore 100/98 vs Ezone 98
tophersuwita
Rookie
+1 for comparison to VC95 and Speed Pro
naturalexponent
Legend
The Percept PJ looks extra nice on Stan's 95D.
SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
Hmmm seemingly different frames but happy to offer thoughts
djNEiGht
Legend
@SupahMan5000 nice list of comparisons. kinda gives me a better idea on what to try. There are some comparisons that I didn't like in the past so it puts certain Percept models on hold for testing
Power Player
Bionic Poster
100d versus whiteout 18x20 would be great too.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
Define fit, I'm training for a Murph (Crossfit) and one of my preferred tactics is outlasting my opponent on clay.
Thanks for the information thus far.
tophersuwita
Rookie
I mean for each categories, eg 100D vs Speed Pro etc
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
You are probably very fit then, just the H in singles, on clay, will take effort as opposed to grabbing an Ezone 100 and topspinning and defending against it. Just be honest and reflective if you want or know you can "use" the heft of the H in singles instead of going for something a little easier like an Ezone 100 or something. Also depends on your opponents.
100/100D vs Ezone 100. Thanks for doing this; you da man!
SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
ah yes obvious comparison idk how i missed it! might as well get vcore 100 in there
Let us know how it performs!
ClownCar96
Professional
I’m holding out for a less muted Ez98
johnmccabe
Hall of Fame
Would be great to see someone compare 100D vs 2019 Prince tour 100p. Spec wise, they are quite similar. TWU says the sweet spot size is much smaller in 100D.
Doubles specialist
Rookie
i would still say UE still kill you you do need to have the ability to have the kind of game to put pressure on the other team to coax the UE. There are still some crappy teams at sectionals but usually 2-3 very good teams. At our last 4.5 sectional we finished with the same number of individual wins and losses as the team that won it and yet we finished 2-2 and they finished 4-0 we lost two matches 2-2 one of them to the eventual winner by one lousy game! USTA is awful in no sane game should your matches be decided by a game because they cant come up with a better format than 1 singles and 3 doubles; they are fixing it but adding an extra doubles line. You need to have some ringers for sure to make it through and even then sometimes that isn't enough.
dyslexical-scope
Rookie
What's the verdict on Servo Filter? Think they'll bring it over to the rest of the Yonex lineup, replacing VDM entirely?
Pooschnikens
Rookie
Finally had a go with the 97 310g and was pleasantly surprised! I typically use the ‘21 H & D VCP’s and never gravities towards the 310g. Prior versions up until ‘21 just lacked the natural plough that the D & H possess. That said, this Percept was quite enjoyable and is a great platform frame to tinker around with.
I won’t get into all the numbers and previously listed specs. Of the 97’s, I felt this frame benefited the most with the stiffened hoop. It fortified the hitting zone and performed best when balls came at you. Whereas before you’d feel a bit overwhelmed at times by your opponents heavy shots. That said, I felt that despite its relatively low swing weight, I was really impressed with its improved stability yet butter like flexion in the throat. It’s more evident when comparing it to say the 100D. My 1st hit with the racket felt solid but more linear and crisper overall feeling of high maneuverability and relative comfort. The added graphite layered into the hoop definitely pays for itself!
But back to the 97. It’s definitely whippier r. Volleys were serviceable but struggled against better players who consistently hit big. Still super maneuverable which I like. Serving felt nice as it came around. Slice and kick serves were predictable with a high level r accuracy. My only criticism is that, despite attributes previously aforementioned, can at times feel lacking when redirecting or defending.
Despite this, all in all I’d say the updates have translated nicely for the line. The improved feel/dwell during contact Is more evident in the 3 97’s vs 100 & 100D. It’s certainlyl not a major overhaul of sorts. Think more along the lines of the natural evolution of the line. Each version addressing and fine tuning based on player feedback. Is this the best lineup the best to date? Some would say yes, I tend to let the rackets mature, spend a little more time acclimating but on the whole, the Percept series is proving to be a winning formula.
Last up will be the 97D and last but not least, the 100.
If it would be without pull ups 30 minutes . But since those nasty bastards exist roughly 1 hour. So I'm mostly training to get better at pull ups, and also getting used to the weight vest.
So it will take some time before getting a proper time.
You doing it as well ?
Interesting what makes the volley "only" serviceable, not enough mass ?
Touch/feel/chess and volleys are kinda part of my bread and butter so trying to get as much info on the 97s and vc95.
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Hall of Fame
Which courts in Fremont? Need more ppl to help demo?
naturalexponent
Legend
Would also like to know! I'm in Fremont for the rest of the weekWhich courts in Fremont? Need more ppl to help demo?
Pooschnikens
Rookie
Bay club Fremont, Fremont Tennis Center or public courts off Country & Paseo or Niles courtsWould also like to know! I'm in Fremont for the rest of the week
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
After about 6 hours of court time with the 100D, D, and H, I can't really describe a huge difference in VDM and Servo lol. Then again I couldn't really feel the new Oil Slick Substance in the VCore 95 , which was a new tech for 2023, used it in a tournament.
I would say if you hate VDM, your going to hate the Servo Filter.
Pooschnikens
Rookie
“Serviceable” as when compared to the 97H or even the 100D. 97H’s static + swing weight makes it rock solid but can be hefty if not used to that 330g weight. Regarding the 100D, that one really surprised me as to how natural it felt up at net. Steady, stable,
”Serviceable” as it compares to the 97H and 100D. Both those performed much better at net for me for different reasons. The static and swing weight of the 97H combined with increased hoop stiffness made for a rock solid, super stable frame up at net! Only drawback is if you’re not accustomed to that 330g weight, it can feel demanding over time. The 100D was a real surprise for me! I was not expecting it to play so well up front. Felt very maneuverable, stable, great directional control, consistent across the racket face, just felt so natural and boosted my confidence to be honest! The 97 was fine and is certainly an improvement over the outgoing ‘21 VCP. That said, it didn’t have quite the same punch when compared to other two. Better consistency and placement with less deflection but could’ve used a tad more mass in the hoop or bump in stiffness to compensate. Super quick which was nice but not quite as responsive. Still quite good but would’ve benefited from the aforementioned mods.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
I did Murph a lot in my annual Murph crossfit days, it took me forever, why? Whenever I did crossfit and I suggest this to anyone reading this including @JRL , I don't do the "kipping" pullups where you throw your body forward jerking your shoulders around like a crazy person including the fact everyone is doing it for time so they are jerking them shoulders like maniacs. Not a good idea for tennis shoulders. I did strickt pull ups , so the 100 required took forever and gassed me.
chizzle
Rookie
The pullups absolutely mug me. To do proper pullups with the vest (100 of them!), I"d need 90 mins. But because I'm short on time, I'm ramping them in so I'll do 30 pullups and 70 pull downs (with lighter weight than myself) 1 week;
then 40/60 week 2,
0/50,
60/40 week 4 .... then by week 10 I can focus on time lol
But as far as I can tell, this is a great complement to becoming a better tennis player. Up until now, I've focused solely on lifting which is been fantastic complement, but I know to do the Murph in proper time (eg 40-45m), would really require extra fitness (eg getting stronger and slimmer) - and make me fitter and move better on court.
chizzle
Rookie
volleynets
Hall of Fame
I’m confused the percept is too similar seeming to the Vcore Pro. Is it replacing it or they’re having yet another 97 head light frame available to confuse customers?
naturalexponent
Legend
Percept is indeed the new name for what would otherwise be the VCP line.
The Percept line is replacing the Vcore Pro. They are re-branding it to avoid confusion with regular Vcore line. BTW, watched the battle of PERCEPT in Stanimal vs Tiafoe last night and was cool to see both players endorsing the new line.
To me personally, removing VDM is already a success. It definitely gives me more feel than the 3rd Gen VP, but still comfortable enough. Performance wise I have to say there's nothing really wow for me, but it does everything pretty well For my Percept 97. I added 4.8g lead total (4 stripes, each is 12cm lead)at 2-10 point of the hoop to give me a little more plow through (stock frame lacks plow on my 2-hand backhand), now the strung specs(with grip and damp) is 338g, 320mm, and 329SW
Vcore 98 Tour is coming?
SupahMan5000
Hall of Fame
Fun is about to start
