2023 Yonex VCores

jmacdaununder2 said:
You mean a new paint job of course, not a structural change. It’s very early in the product cycle for a ‘new’ model, but apparently some retailers have seen the ‘new’ VCore; it could also explain the lack of stock availability in some VCore models already, such as 2023 VCore 98+ in 4 1/2, although longbodies aren’t usually part of special midlife releases.
Heard a whisper that beige is an interesting possibility...
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somehow beige is absolutely tantalizing for me
 
I think today is the day that my new Vcore 95 arrives, what tension do you guys recommend? I won´t change strings, I´ve been stringing with Dynawire at 38 pounds on my Ultra Tour. Whay so low? Because I wanted a little more power and spin from a very closed 18x20 string pattern. The thing is that I started to really like that low tension a lot but I don´t want to depend on it to generate power. What would you say is a good tension to try?
 
Fairhit said:
I think today is the day that my new Vcore 95 arrives, what tension do you guys recommend? I won´t change strings, I´ve been stringing with Dynawire at 38 pounds on my Ultra Tour. Whay so low? Because I wanted a little more power and spin from a very closed 18x20 string pattern. The thing is that I started to really like that low tension a lot but I don´t want to depend on it to generate power. What would you say is a good tension to try?
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Not much higher - 40#s or so should be great. I’m in low 40s on VC98.
 
backhandtough said:
Is 2023 vcore 100 better than 2018 vcore 100 or vcore SV100??
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what has been your experience w the vCore line?

the 2023 head shape is different and I feel it brings the sweet spot a bit higher compared to the previous model. The string spacing is also wider so break string quicker.
 
backhandtough said:
Is 2023 vcore 100 better than 2018 vcore 100 or vcore SV100??
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I have been in vcores through several iterations now. The 2023 models (100) are, as stated above, more spinny. I haven't seen a significant diff. in string breakage rate, although I am not a big string breaker.
There is significantly more power available in the 2023 models. I still have my all red 2020(?) models and 2 2023 models, I have compared them side by side several times.
 
jmacdaununder2 said:
You mean a new paint job of course, not a structural change. It’s very early in the product cycle for a ‘new’ model, but apparently some retailers have seen the ‘new’ VCore; it could also explain the lack of stock availability in some VCore models already, such as 2023 VCore 98+ in 4 1/2, although longbodies aren’t usually part of special midlife releases.
Heard a whisper that beige is an interesting possibility...
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I’ve heard through the grapevine that the new PJ will be a ‘sand’ colour. Was hoping for a blacked out PJ tbh!
 
TripleFault88 said:
What would adding a leather grip make the weight and balance come out to be on the 98?
what has been anyone’s experience that has done this?
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I’ve added a leather grip to my VC95. It certainly makes the racket feel a lot more substantial but it does make it more head light. I’m using a Head leather grip which is one of the more heavier ones and adds 15 grams to the weight of the frame. You then need to counter balance that somehow by the time you add strings(Head Lynx Tour 1.25), so I tried what I have done to my 2021 VC95 frames using the Tourna Sampras power strips(3.62 grams each, so circa just over 7 grams) at 10 and 2. The results were quite shocking. Static weight was 347g, balance was 32.4 and swing weight was 340. It hit a heavy ball, so much so, balls were sailing. I took the weight off and got it remeasured and the swing weight dropped to 326. My guess is that I have an overspec frame. Without the weight in the head the racket feels unstable on off centre hits. I have toyed with the power strips at 3&9 but still feel’s too heavy. I’m trying one more experiment by adding just two grams at 12, after which, I’ll go back to basics on the next restring, removing the leather grip and weights in the head and go from there. Interesting how the setup I explained above works well in the 2021 but not in the 2023. It feels like I’m repeating my 2021 journey all over again but for my 2021’s I was inspired by Will from Iron Will Tennis who had the same setup for his 2021’s before he switched to Babolat. I’ll keep you all posted.
 
I tried to make the VC95 work with different strings and weights but couldn't nail down anything.
Flaws: string spacing, head shape, feel, too lively
Pros: serve
Strings I liked: 4g soft, ptf
Even when I was playing my best with the stick (the frame asks for all out attack) there were 4 or 5 times during a doubles set where the ball just hits the tape, goes long or just behaves differently from what you expected. It's just a disconnect I experienced. It's a shame.
 
ZeroandOne said:
I tried to make the VC95 work with different strings and weights but couldn't nail down anything.
Flaws: string spacing, head shape, feel, too lively
Pros: serve
Strings I liked: 4g soft, ptf
Even when I was playing my best with the stick (the frame asks for all out attack) there were 4 or 5 times during a doubles set where the ball just hits the tape, goes long or just behaves differently from what you expected. It's just a disconnect I experienced. It's a shame.
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I would tend to agree. I think Yonex have ruined that VCore feel by changing the frame design and dropping the RA. After all my tinkering, I suspect I’ll be selling this frame. The only 95 sq.inch frame I like at the moment is the Head Prestige Tour Auxetic 2.0 which I demoed a while ago and may just buy one to keep in the bag. I tried the VCore 98 Tour a while ago, so could possibly revisit that again, but it’s not 16x20 :-( At this rate, I think I’ll be sticking with my Vcore 95 2021’s.
 
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I run my VCore 95s (2021) as:

- leather grip
- 10 g blue tac in handle
- 3 g at 3 and 9 for 6 g total
- 3 g head tape
- 5 g overgrip

measured with briffidi:

- weight: 365 g strung with 17g poly (tourna big hitter silver)
- swing weight: 335
- balance: 12 pts head light
- polarization index: .500
- MGr/I: 20.9
- recoil weight: 182

I prefer very head light, so these specs are similar to those that I took of my old pro staff 6.1. good spin, stability, and plow.
 
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Recently picked-up a VC95 2023 to see if it’s a worthy contender for my VC95 2021 frames after a very short demo play test previously. Current setup is as follows:

2021 setup
Head Tour Leather grip + overgrip
Sampras power strips at 10&2(total 7.2g)
Head Lynx Tour(champagne) 50lbs(summer tension), 48lbs(winter tension)
Static weight 352g
Swing weight 330
Balance point 31.5
Length of time used: 1 year, came from the VCP97D, VCP97 310g and Prostaff 97 v13 previously.

2023 current setup
Head Tour Leather grip + overgrip
Lead strips at 10&2 totalling 4grams
Head Lynx Tour(champagne) 48lbs
Static weight 347g
Swing weight 332
Balance point 31.5
Length of time used: 1 month

For the 2023, I have tried the power strips at 10&2 as per the 2021, this put the swing weight at 340, and delivered a very heavy ball, but at the cost of manoeuvrability. I have also tried 2grams at 12, but felt this brought the head round too quickly, so dropped that customisation. The biggest change for me is the stiffness and the slightly open string bed, which gives more of a pocketting feel and a tad more spin v’s the 2021 but also a few ‘fliers’ on the downside.

Played a set with the 2023 model, but just found myself reaching for my 2021. The 2021 just feels more direct and I guess thats the 64 stiffness is playing its part here and the tighter string bed. My serves are more purposeful and direct with the 2021, whereas the 2023 makes me feel I’m losing power.

The 2023 delivers a better kick-serve with the ball sitting on the strings longer I feel, but I value power on my serve. I do believe there’s a long transition for anyone trying to switch over from 2021 to 2023 and is far from seamless without making changes/sacrifices in your game.

One of the main reasons why I never gelled with with the VCP’s, especially the 310g was that there was simply too much flex in the frame and having come from stiffer frames(PS97 and RF97 moons ago). If you’ve only ever played with flexible frames circa 59-61 RA, you may find you may get on better with this frame than I am currently.

I will most likely stick with my 2021 models and have already stocked-up on grommets before they become unavailable. Saying that, I may just hold onto the 2023 model since the colour way is going to change this year, and I’m not liking what I’m hearing on the new colour scheme.

HTH
 
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Bal said:
Recently picked-up a VC95 2023 to see if it’s a worthy contender for my VC95 2021 frames after a very short demo play test previously. Current setup is as follows:

2021 setup
Head Tour Leather grip + overgrip
Sampras power strips at 10&2(total 7.2g)
Head Lynx Tour(champagne) 50lbs(summer tension), 48lbs(winter tension)
Static weight 352g
Swing weight 330
Balance point 31.5
Length of time used: 1 year, came from the VCP97D, VCP97 310g and Prostaff 97 v13 previously.

2023 current setup
Head Tour Leather grip + overgrip
Lead strips at 10&2 totalling 4grams
Head Lynx Tour(champagne) 48lbs
Static weight 347g
Swing weight 332
Balance point 31.5
Length of time used: 1 month

For the 2023, I have tried the power strips at 10&2 as per the 2021, this put the swing weight at 340, and delivered a very heavy ball, but at the cost of manoeuvrability. I have also tried 2grams at 12, but felt this brought the head round too quickly, so dropped that customisation. The biggest change for me is the stiffness and the slightly open string bed, which gives more of a pocketting feel and a tad more spin v’s the 2021 but also a few ‘fliers’ on the downside.

Played a set with the 2023 model, but just found myself reaching for my 2021. The 2021 just feels more direct and I guess thats the 64 stiffness is playing its part here and the tighter string bed. My serves are more purposeful and direct with the 2021, whereas the 2023 makes me feel I’m losing power.

The 2023 delivers a better kick-serve with the ball sitting on the strings longer I feel, but I value power on my serve. I do believe there’s a long transition for anyone trying to switch over from 2021 to 2023 and is far from seamless without making changes/sacrifices in your game.

One of the main reasons why I never gelled with with the VCP’s, especially the 310g was that there was simply too much flex in the frame and having come from stiffer frames(PS97 and RF97 moons ago). If you’ve only ever played with flexible frames circa 59-61 RA, you may find you may get on better with this frame than I am currently.

I will most likely stick with my 2021 models and have already stocked-up on grommets before they become unavailable. Saying that, I may just hold onto the 2023 model since the colour way is going to change this year, and I’m not liking what I’m hearing on the new colour scheme.

HTH
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Update on 2023 VCore 95:
Leather grip replaced with stock grip and lead removed. Will try this stock and go from there.
 
heavyD said:
I made the mistake of using X-One Biphase in the VC100. I thought I could get away with it at 54lbs but the combination is just too much as some of my balls are hitting the fence. The racquet played great with Volkl Cyclone 17 at 44 lbs but my elbow just started acting up again so I'm trying to use only multis for now. I'm looking at Velocity MLT. I tend to favor lower tensions but I've never used that string so not sure what tension to use with that string as supposedly it's a lower powered multi.
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I also tried Biphase on my VC 100 at 55 lbs (1.24 mm gauge). It was good in the beginning, I was getting enough spin and controllable power.

The problem is that the next day, the string started only working on serves and my backhand (which is flatter than my forehand). On my forehand it was getting very erratic and I'd start holding back to avoid hitting the fence with the ball. There's noticeable fraying/notching and a couple of strings are out of place too.

I never discount the chance that something was off with my technique, but I'm a bit inclined to think that Biphase 1.24 mm is not durable enough for me on this racket. Has anyone here had similar experiences whereby X One Biphase becomes erratic before it breaks?

It's sad since I quite liked the string when it was playing well...
 
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GodlessEndeavor said:
I also tried Biphase on my VC 100 at 55 lbs (1.24 mm gauge). It was good in the beginning, I was getting enough spin and controllable power.

The problem is that the next day, the string started only working on serves and my backhand (which is flatter than my forehand). On my forehand it was getting very erratic and I'd start holding back to avoid hitting the fence with the ball. There's noticeable fraying/notching and a couple of strings are out of place too.

I never discount the chance that something was off with my technique, but I'm a bit inclined to think that Biphase 1.24 mm is not durable enough for me on this racket. Has anyone here had similar experiences whereby X One Biphase becomes erratic before it breaks?

It's sad since I quite liked the string when it was playing well...
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To answer my own post, I cut out the X1 Biphase and restrung with Polytour Rev 1.20mm at 49 lbs, no more rocket launching at all. If I dare trying X1 Biphase again on the VC100 (it was fantastic for a while), I would use a thicker gauge.
 
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GodlessEndeavor said:
I also tried Biphase on my VC 100 at 55 lbs (1.24 mm gauge). It was good in the beginning, I was getting enough spin and controllable power.

The problem is that the next day, the string started only working on serves and my backhand (which is flatter than my forehand). On my forehand it was getting very erratic and I'd start holding back to avoid hitting the fence with the ball. There's noticeable fraying/notching and a couple of strings are out of place too.

I never discount the chance that something was off with my technique, but I'm a bit inclined to think that Biphase 1.24 mm is not durable enough for me on this racket. Has anyone here had similar experiences whereby X One Biphase becomes erratic before it breaks?

It's sad since I quite liked the string when it was playing well...
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I had a similar experience about 5 years ago. Just in case you are not aware, if you want a more controlled multi, velocity, nxt control, hdmx, triax, multifeel, and isospeed control/professional classic are better options. None will play like poly, but significantly less launchy than biphase IME.
 
tele said:
I had a similar experience about 5 years ago. Just in case you are not aware, if you want a more controlled multi, velocity, nxt control, hdmx, triax, multifeel, and isospeed control/professional classic are better options. None will play like poly, but significantly less launchy than biphase IME.
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Thank you. Yeah I'll probably try one of those (already tried triax and liked it on other rackets) at a thicker gauge next time I go for a multi on this racket.
 
Not sure if this is the right thread but does anyone know if there were any mold changes from the Vcore 98D (16x20) to the Vcore SV 98? Or of any substantial differences?

Looking to give one of the old 98 16x20 Yonex frames a shot :)
 
I might be a little late to the party, but I've now switched from the 2018 Vcore 95 (after a year and a half) to the 2023 version after quite an extended test. The big thing for me was that the new head shape seemed to shift the sweet spot slightly higher (akin to the Gravity which I used to play) which helped my natural stroke mechanics. However, the biggest difference I found was that returns are day and night. With the 2018 I always struggled with returns when playing against good players but the 2023 version doesn't seem to have any issues on returns (maybe its the head shape?). Its not all positives, the 2018 shined on volleys and slice/touch shots but the pro's of the 2023 for me, outweighed the positive of the 2018 version.

On a plus side, QC seems to be on point, especially as I bought two different rackets are different batches (from the UK and Germany). The unstrung weights were 308 g / 30.7 cm and 276 sw (for the UK racket) & 308 g / 30.7 cm and 282 sw (for the German racket). Luckily 2 g was all that was needed to match each at 310 g / 30.8 cm and 283 sw (which seems close enough to stock specs).

Currently I'm on a bit of a string test so any recommendations are welcome. So far I have tested YPTP (1.20), ReString Zero (maybe my favourite so far but put off by the price tag), Solinco Hyper G Round and Diadem Solstice.
 
smithie said:
I might be a little late to the party, but I've now switched from the 2018 Vcore 95 (after a year and a half) to the 2023 version after quite an extended test. The big thing for me was that the new head shape seemed to shift the sweet spot slightly higher (akin to the Gravity which I used to play) which helped my natural stroke mechanics. However, the biggest difference I found was that returns are day and night. With the 2018 I always struggled with returns when playing against good players but the 2023 version doesn't seem to have any issues on returns (maybe its the head shape?). Its not all positives, the 2018 shined on volleys and slice/touch shots but the pro's of the 2023 for me, outweighed the positive of the 2018 version.

On a plus side, QC seems to be on point, especially as I bought two different rackets are different batches (from the UK and Germany). The unstrung weights were 308 g / 30.7 cm and 276 sw (for the UK racket) & 308 g / 30.7 cm and 282 sw (for the German racket). Luckily 2 g was all that was needed to match each at 310 g / 30.8 cm and 283 sw (which seems close enough to stock specs).

Currently I'm on a bit of a string test so any recommendations are welcome. So far I have tested YPTP (1.20), ReString Zero (maybe my favourite so far but put off by the price tag), Solinco Hyper G Round and Diadem Solstice.
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Head Lynx Tour 17 champagne, between 48lbs-52lbs weather dependent, obvs higher in hotter climates. Lasts about four weeks and holds tension well.
 
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smithie said:
I might be a little late to the party, but I've now switched from the 2018 Vcore 95 (after a year and a half) to the 2023 version after quite an extended test. The big thing for me was that the new head shape seemed to shift the sweet spot slightly higher (akin to the Gravity which I used to play) which helped my natural stroke mechanics. However, the biggest difference I found was that returns are day and night. With the 2018 I always struggled with returns when playing against good players but the 2023 version doesn't seem to have any issues on returns (maybe its the head shape?). Its not all positives, the 2018 shined on volleys and slice/touch shots but the pro's of the 2023 for me, outweighed the positive of the 2018 version.

On a plus side, QC seems to be on point, especially as I bought two different rackets are different batches (from the UK and Germany). The unstrung weights were 308 g / 30.7 cm and 276 sw (for the UK racket) & 308 g / 30.7 cm and 282 sw (for the German racket). Luckily 2 g was all that was needed to match each at 310 g / 30.8 cm and 283 sw (which seems close enough to stock specs).

Currently I'm on a bit of a string test so any recommendations are welcome. So far I have tested YPTP (1.20), ReString Zero (maybe my favourite so far but put off by the price tag), Solinco Hyper G Round and Diadem Solstice.
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Yeah, my kis has tried most of the strings you listed; loved PTP but thought it bagged out too fast to be a long term functional choice, Zero could be revisited, he just didn't gel with it in his VC 95, haven't tried HG round, Solstice in all varieties is underrated by most folks. Last night, he loved the fresh set of PT Rev 1.25 in his H. Another string he generally loves in anything is PT Fire 1.25.
 
Bal said:
Update on 2023 VCore 95:
Leather grip replaced with stock grip and lead removed. Will try this stock and go from there.
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Another update from me. Tried this stock. Swing weight was 324, but didn’t like it. Bumped it up to 330 by adding a total of 2grams at 11&1 and plays really nice. A lot more manoeuvrable than my 352g 2021’s. I’m going up in tension again as it’s getting warm here in the UK. Currently at 46lbs strung nearly a month ago, so will try 52/51(m/c) this week. I have been using a Yonex dampener when previously having never used them, so that is probably adding a little more swing weight. Will post again soon.
 
I was very pleased with Mayami Tour Hex 1.23 / Wasabi X 1.23 in my VC98 '23.
Still have a reel of TH, but Wasabi X is difficult to come by. Also too pricey to get, but since i had a couple of sets laying around i wanted to try this combo.
Snapback is still there after 6 hours of Match time and a practice session.
 
I switched from ezone 98 to the Vcore series. First, the 98 model, which was very "soft" for me. Out of curiosity, I played with the 100 model and that was it. I did the same as ezone, 315g, 315mm balance, 300g swing. Is it just me or does the Vcore 100 have a lot of power? With Ezon, I stretched the rackets with 21/21 kg, 22/21, and here I have to stretch 23/23 because everything goes too deep
 
wianek said:
I switched from ezone 98 to the Vcore series. First, the 98 model, which was very "soft" for me. Out of curiosity, I played with the 100 model and that was it. I did the same as ezone, 315g, 315mm balance, 300g swing. Is it just me or does the Vcore 100 have a lot of power? With Ezon, I stretched the rackets with 21/21 kg, 22/21, and here I have to stretch 23/23 because everything goes too deep
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The Vcore 100 has a lot of power indeed, as well as a higher launch angle than many rackets.

This means you either need compact flat-ish strokes OR high topspin to control its power when playing from the baseline, which is just as intended being a spin racket.
 
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