2024 Cincinnati Open - Jannik Sinner [1] vs Frances Tiafoe

Who wins the final in Cincy 2024?


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TheSlicer

Hall of Fame
But Carlos hasn't won a hard court title in a while. On that note, Sinner would appear to have the advantage at the moment.
Actually he won his last hard court title a week before sinner won his last one (before cincinatti of course) but people just decide that indian Wells is Clay, lol, but yeah i get what youre saying, and of course sinner Game, when clicking, is made for hardcourts, but his serve is not always there, he has little holes where if he doesnt play the perfect match, players like carlos, novak, med... Can hurt him, of course he is one of the top favourites, but the feeling is that people are talking about Carlos like a Clay court player, which couldnt be further from the truth, yeah he didnt win a hard court title in a while but for people who actually watch the matches, he played great at uso last year, semis is a good result, beating good players like zverev in straights, he made final at cincy, he very well could have won one of those, his performance on hard wasnt bad, just not as dominant as on grass for example
 

NeutralFan

G.O.A.T.
I told you to put him on ignore, but you don’t listen. He’s an imbecile

No need , Carlos's deluded fanboys have already put us on ignore to avoid the embarassment lol. They sht on Sinner and when Sinner is back they can't take it back like a man. Slicer clown will hide again with rise of Sinner
 

dking68

Legend
No need , Carlos's deluded fanboys have already put us on ignore to avoid the embarassment lol. They sht on Sinner and when Sinner is back they can't take it back like a man. Slicer clown will hide again with rise of Sinner
Sinner is closing down on 10,000 points. Over 90% win rate this season, and each time he lost it was due to injury. Carlos has yet to achieve that in his career. Sinner is consistent like Djokovic
 
This tournament doesn't tell us anything about Sinner's USO prospects.

Last week in Montreal he totally crumbled when he had to play two BO3 matches in the same day.
Nah man, this final tells me plenty. Jannik has improved going into the USO. Some others who have also looked jaded recently could also improve for the last slam of the season. Really hope so as it could make it a better contested tournament.
 

timmyy

Semi-Pro
Nah man, this final tells me plenty. Jannik has improved going into the USO. Some others who have also looked jaded recently could also improve for the last slam of the season. Really hope so as it could make it a better contested tournament.

This final didn't tell you sh about his ability to navigate a tough BO5 match, which is what performing at Slams is all about.

He's still at 50% in 5-set matches isn't he...
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Awww, what a shame. Tiafoe spoiled the sequence of different winners for each of the Masters this season. He could have been the 7th different winner but it was not to be. Sinner was just too good.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
In winning 2024 Cincinnati, Sinner becomes:

1. The 1st Italian player to win the title in Cincinnati.
2. The youngest player to win the title in Cincinnati since Murray in 2008.
3. The 1st player to win multiple Masters titles this season.

He has won his 15th ATP title overall, 5th this season, 3rd at Masters 1000 level and 3rd big title this season putting him firmly at the top of the leaderboard for titles won this season.
He has now won 4 big titles overall (1 Slam, 3 Masters) putting him level with Tsitsipas (1 WTF, 3 Masters) and Wawrinka (3 Slams, 1 Masters) for number of big titles won by active players.
 
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Vincent-C

Legend
In winning 2024 Cincinnati, Sinner becomes:

1. The 1st Italian player to win the title in Cincinnati.
2. The youngest player to win the title in Cincinnati since Murray in 2008.
3. The 1st player to win multiple Masters titles this season.

He has won his 15th ATP title overall, 5th this season, 3rd at Masters 1000 level and 3rd big title this season putting him firmly at the top of the leaderboard for titles won this season.
Not bad at all for Sonic. Now let's get that USO..
 

Galvermegs

Professional
Not bad at all for Sonic. Now let's get that USO..
Vincent my dear fellow i dont mind your appreciation for roger, but i have not hid i am no fan of (that) swiss.

But what makes you now fanatically support sinner like you did fed? Is it his behaviour? I find his game very very bland if undeniably effective.

Those stats for sinner are interesting but sadly remind me murray retired way too late past his hey day, and how hard it is to be fresh for back to back masters (roddick, rafa, and rafter pulled off the north american double of course).
 
This final didn't tell you sh about his ability to navigate a tough BO5 match, which is what performing at Slams is all about.

He's still at 50% in 5-set matches isn't he...
Come on man, don't be obtuse. These pre-slam tournaments don't predict anything, but can be an indicator of form. That's my point, not that a best of 3 compares to a best of 5. Exactly who is looking like a 'lock' for the USO this year? No one. Only 2 players have won in the run up to the USO and despite his recent fitness issues, I'll back Jannik ( given his credentials this year) over Alex Popyrin as a likely USO winner. The rest of the field hasn't thrown up a particularly strong candidate, other than Carlitos who had a superb summer with the Channel Slam and Olympic silver, and could find momentum, so he is one of my picks for the title, as is Novak. Still, I'm not interested in trying to 'prove' how this or that player will / will not achieve something. Let's see.

In winning 2024 Cincinnati, Sinner becomes:

1. The 1st Italian player to win the title in Cincinnati.
2. The youngest player to win the title in Cincinnati since Murray in 2008.
3. The 1st player to win multiple Masters titles this season.

He has won his 15th ATP title overall, 5th this season, 3rd at Masters 1000 level and 3rd big title this season putting him firmly at the top of the leaderboard for titles won this season.
He has now won 4 big titles overall (1 Slam, 3 Masters) putting him level with Tsitsipas (1 WTF, 3 Masters) and Wawrinka (3 Slams, 1 Masters) for number of big titles won by active players.
Enjoy your updates. Well done to Jannik for his achievements.
 

Galvermegs

Professional
Enjoy your updates. Well done to Jannik for his achievements.
But did he really have legitimate tonsilitis? I say he is another breed of federer who prizes no1 dominance over playing for his country (and yes the changed davis cup format is a big factor as it doesnt force him too much out of his comfort zone. The olympics was straight after wimbledon and rg.)
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
But did he really have legitimate tonsilitis? I say he is another breed of federer who prizes no1 dominance over playing for his country (and yes the changed davis cup format is a big factor as it doesnt force him too much out of his comfort zone. The olympics was straight after wimbledon and rg.)

What the heck? Federer totally wanted to win the Olympics. This is a crazy post.
 

JMR

Hall of Fame
Exactly, this final is irrelevant.

Why must so much discussion here involve nutty absolutes? Certainly, the result of the Cincinnati final is not dispositive as to the U.S. Open result. We don't have a clear window into the future. But to claim it's irrelevant is just wrong.

If you can't base expectations for an upcoming tournament at least in part on the outcome of the most recent big tournament, which happens to be played on a very similar surface, then you can't base them on anything.
 

-snake-

Hall of Fame
Why must so much discussion here involve nutty absolutes? Certainly, the result of the Cincinnati final is not dispositive as to the U.S. Open result. We don't have a clear window into the future. But to claim it's irrelevant is just wrong.

If you can't base expectations for an upcoming tournament at least in part on the outcome of the most recent big tournament, which happens to be played on a very similar surface, then you can't base them on anything.


My answer is based on facts. Almost everyone who won Cincy in the last 16 years went on to lose the USO.
 
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Sinner's match with Rublev was 9 days ago. Do you think he went from being in pathetic shape to GS winner in 9 days? Come on, man...
Heh, heh. True, that match was 9 days ago. He won today. Form can improve from one match to the next, let alone in 9 days. He may or may not win the USO. I'll leave it there - noting to add.

Why must so much discussion here involve nutty absolutes? Certainly, the result of the Cincinnati final is not dispositive as to the U.S. Open result. We don't have a clear window into the future. But to claim it's irrelevant is just wrong.

If you can't base expectations for an upcoming tournament at least in part on the outcome of the most recent big tournament, which happens to be played on a very similar surface, then you can't base them on anything.
True, man. Seems obvious to me too. The part in red highlights the issue - some here comment as though they do have a window into the future. Each to their own.
My answer is based on facts. Almost everyone who won Cincy in the last 15 years went on to have a crappy USO.
Interesting fact.
 

JMR

Hall of Fame
My answer is based on facts. Almost everyone who won Cincy in the last 16 years went on to lose the USO.

Your statement incorporates the same logical error as the statement I just criticized in my previous post. You are incorrectly assuming that the only two options are certain causation and "irrelevance." In other words, that no middle ground is possible between a probability of 1 and a probability of 0.
 

Galvermegs

Professional
What the heck? Federer totally wanted to win the Olympics. This is a crazy post.
Lets see.. 2000 may want it may just be happy to have a hot new date.

2004... he was determined to dominate the tour. He paid the price at athens but moved onto more ranking points galore. No real biggie

2008. Strange loss to an intellectual basher he normally deals with. Maybe rafa and nole were getting to him and maybe he just was happy to bag doubles.. a rare example of him doing that as he never really considered it in slams (at least hewitt has that over him)

2012. Finally a singles medal. He should have lost to delpo but got a big helping hand from the tower. In turn that helped murray to coast. The wimbledon win was still a relief for roger and he probably felt a bit odd playing the olympics at pseudo wimby

2016 on.. no longer contending.

I respect he got those 2 medals. But he never got really emotional like novak did on losing and i feel he just wasnt that much in his comfort zone of prize money/trophies/ points as he wanted to be.
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
Lets see.. 2000 may want it may just be happy to have a hot new date.

2004... he was determined to dominate the tour. He paid the price at athens but moved onto more ranking points galore. No real biggie

2008. Strange loss to an intellectual basher he normally deals with. Maybe rafa and nole were getting to him and maybe he just was happy to bag doubles.. a rare example of him doing that as he never really considered it in slams (at least hewitt has that over him)

2012. Finally a singles medal. He should have lost to delpo but got a big helping hand from the tower. In turn that helped murray to coast. The wimbledon win was still a relief for roger and he probably felt a bit odd playing the olympics at pseudo wimby

2016 on.. no longer contending.

I respect he got those 2 medals. But he never got really emotional like novak did on losing and i feel he just wasnt that much in his comfort zone of prize money/trophies/ points as he wanted to be.

No, he was pretty bummed by not getting the gold at Wimbledon.

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Djokovic just expresses himself differently. Always has.
 

JMR

Hall of Fame
2008. Strange loss to an intellectual basher he normally deals with. Maybe rafa and nole were getting to him and maybe he just was happy to bag doubles.. a rare example of him doing that as he never really considered it in slams (at least hewitt has that over him)

That was the only loss to Blake in Federer's career! (Not counting a walkover.) The vast majority of Federer's wins were in straight sets. Freakish outcome.

I don't think it can be denied that Federer did want to win an Olympic gold in singles. But he mostly couldn't seem to bring the same concentration and focus that he brought to the slams, so maybe his motivation at the unconscious level really was lacking in some respect.
 

Galvermegs

Professional
No, he was pretty bummed by not getting the gold at Wimbledon.

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Djokovic just expresses himself differently. Always has.
Well he should count himself lucky delpo choked. Then it was only bronze on the table. However us open 2017 gave a different ending to the story.
 

Galvermegs

Professional
That was the only loss to Blake in Federer's career! (Not counting a walkover.) The vast majority of Federer's wins were in straight sets. Freakish outcome.

I don't think it can be denied that Federer did want to win an Olympic gold in singles. But he mostly couldn't seem to bring the same concentration and focus that he brought to the slams, so maybe his motivation at the unconscious level really was lacking in some respect.
Thats really my point. He doesnt like losing. But some players like stepanek and sluiter are nothing too amazing most of the time but come to full life playing for their country. I feel it is somewhat the inverse for roger. And he definitely skipped davis cup a lot in his prime
 

Aabye5

G.O.A.T.
Thats really my point. He doesnt like losing. But some players like stepanek and sluiter are nothing too amazing most of the time but come to full life playing for their country. I feel it is somewhat the inverse for roger. And he definitely skipped davis cup a lot in his prime

All of the big 3 skipped DC more after they brought it home. In fairness to Fed, he was always pushing to stay ahead of the other two in the race. I didn't realize quite what the Olympics meant to Novak until Tokyo.
 

JMR

Hall of Fame
All of the big 3 skipped DC more after they brought it home. In fairness to Fed, he was always pushing to stay ahead of the other two in the race. I didn't realize quite what the Olympics meant to Novak until Tokyo.

These differences also reflect, in part, the cultural attitudes of their countries. I think it's fair to say that Serbia is more traditionally nationalistic than Switzerland in many respects.
 
Simply amazing ball striking from the Italian. Tiafoe played okay but couldn’t live with Sinner’s power and precision. If sinner is okay physically I have him no1 favourite for us open. The hard courts suit him to a tee and he loves faster HC conditions too. Congrats Sinner and Sinner fans!
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Simply amazing ball striking from the Italian. Tiafoe played okay but couldn’t live with Sinner’s power and precision. If sinner is okay physically I have him no1 favourite for us open. The hard courts suit him to a tee and he loves faster HC conditions too. Congrats Sinner and Sinner fans!
Sinner nole and raz are all equal favorites.

No one knows anything.

Let's see. Let's support nole taking down both these youngsters
 
I think he’s the best player for the next 10 years on hardcourt.
It just suits him perfectly. You see the way he was moving and doing it with ease. That movement will improve on other surfaces too but on HC it is elite as is the rest of his game. Great serving, returning and strong on both BH and FH. A great performance and he’s ready for us open.
 

Galvermegs

Professional
All of the big 3 skipped DC more after they brought it home. In fairness to Fed, he was always pushing to stay ahead of the other two in the race. I didn't realize quite what the Olympics meant to Novak until Tokyo.
Well roger skipped in the 00s
.dont care about the others who put their all into it. Not convinced.

You didnt see the rio games match with delpo?
 

Hamnavoe

Hall of Fame
He's half-sick, half-broken, half-injured. He's half the player he seemed to be a few months ago. Heck, there may even be some serious turmoil in his staff and his personal life... (where's Naldi? Where's Ferrara? Where's Anna?)

But his fighting spirit is unbreakable and he's about to raise his foxy flag over the great city of SINN-SINN-ATI.
Was interested to see that you noted this yesterday with the news that's come out today. Looking through the report Ferrara was the guy who bought the offending spray and Naldi the one who applied it to his cut and then did the massaging. I noticed that there was a factual dispute in cross-examination as to whether due warning was given of the Clostebol contained in the spray (Ferrara, whose evidence was accepted, said he had given clear warning, whereas Naldi couldn't remember either way if there was warning).

You know Sinner and his team better than anyone here - how long have Naldi and Ferrera been away? Are they particularly central, long-term members of the Sinner team? What do you make of the whole situation?
 

Vincent-C

Legend
Was interested to see that you noted this yesterday with the news that's come out today. Looking through the report Ferrara was the guy who bought the offending spray and Naldi the one who applied it to his cut and then did the massaging. I noticed that there was a factual dispute in cross-examination as to whether due warning was given of the Clostebol contained in the spray (Ferrara, whose evidence was accepted, said he had given clear warning, whereas Naldi couldn't remember either way if there was warning).

You know Sinner and his team better than anyone here - how long have Naldi and Ferrera been away? Are they particularly central, long-term members of the Sinner team? What do you make of the whole situation?
Where's BB? Inquiring minds need answers to these questions!
 
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